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Art Shell Fired


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I thought Shell was an Al Davis favorite. The Raiders are bad, but why isn't Shell getting more than one season? :D

 

Because he looked totally lost on the sideline, IMO, and I wouldn't put him up there with Patton, Alexander and Genghis Khan in the pantheon of inspirational leaders.

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The toughest part of this for Al Davis is proving that the one reporter that broke this a few weeks back was right.

 

It all reminds me of a quote by Captain Edward Smith - "Quit worrying about that iceberg and get these damn deck chairs arranged properly!"

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I really believed he deserved another year, and thought Al would give him one. Despite that Defense improving, I guess the utter lack of Offense despite the high draft picks, (some overrated) FAs and malcontents killed him. Unless you clean house personel wise, I don't know how many coahes that are willing to take this job can fix this.

 

But I guess they'll be OK re arranging those deck chairs.

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never saw shell speak, react or even so much as blink on the sidelines. didn't even look like he knew where he was. concussed car crash victims wandering the side of a highway look more oriented. his hall of fame street cred means nothing -- the guy simply couldn't coach at this level and al davis, stubborn f*ck that he is, refused to admit he'd made an epic blunder in bringing shell back. and as a lamont jordan owner who watched shell mis-use him all season, i say good riddance.

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never saw shell speak, react or even so much as blink on the sidelines. didn't even look like he knew where he was. concussed car crash victims wandering the side of a highway look more oriented. his hall of fame street cred means nothing -- the guy simply couldn't coach at this level and al davis, stubborn f*ck that he is, refused to admit he'd made an epic blunder in bringing shell back. and as a lamont jordan owner who watched shell mis-use him all season, i say good riddance.

 

Oh man, I didn't realise that "lack of emotion" was a sign of coaching incometance! No wonder Tom Landry was such a horrible coach!!

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never saw shell speak, react or even so much as blink on the sidelines. didn't even look like he knew where he was. concussed car crash victims wandering the side of a highway look more oriented. his hall of fame street cred means nothing -- the guy simply couldn't coach at this level and al davis, stubborn f*ck that he is, refused to admit he'd made an epic blunder in bringing shell back. and as a lamont jordan owner who watched shell mis-use him all season, i say good riddance.

 

That was my impression too. Art looked like a very large deer in headlights.

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never saw shell speak, react or even so much as blink on the sidelines. didn't even look like he knew where he was. concussed car crash victims wandering the side of a highway look more oriented. his hall of fame street cred means nothing -- the guy simply couldn't coach at this level and al davis, stubborn f*ck that he is, refused to admit he'd made an epic blunder in bringing shell back. and as a lamont jordan owner who watched shell mis-use him all season, i say good riddance.

 

 

He certainly looked lost and confused but let's remember Shell was brought back as a last ditch effort by Al. Nobody else wanted the job then and nobody wants the job now. What coach wants to work with Al Davis, have no control and deal with bad seeds in the locker room? If the Raiders are to truly rebuild then they need to clean house personel wise and get some stability in the organization. You don't get that by firing your coach every year or two.

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Oh man, I didn't realise that "lack of emotion" was a sign of coaching incometance! No wonder Tom Landry was such a horrible coach!!

 

 

yeah yeah, that's the simple response...:D

 

but come on, VH, didn't you ONCE wonder if he was even paying attention to the game, or even gave a rat's arze about what was going on on the field? no, you don't have to be bill cowher and spray 13 gallons of spit on the refs to be a good coach, but shell seriously didn't even look like he knew what planet he was on, or cared.

 

they'd commit some stupid, untimely drive-killing penalty -- blank stare.

walter would take a 14-step drop and, shocker, get sacked again -- blank stare.

they'd get flagged for unsportsmanlike at the worst possible moment -- blank stare.

moss would alligator-arm another pass across the middle -- blank stare.

 

at SOME point, you'd think he would have at least opened his friggin mouth to yell, teach, scold, encourage, something, ANY-F*CKING-THING! just once. maybe he, like moss (who's a visionary, far as i'm concerned, compared to everyone else in the OAK organization) knew this team was a f'n disaster from the start of training camp and just packed it in mentallly. but be honest -- didn't you want him to go apesh*t just ONCE this season! even landry yelled every now and then, just ask danny white, who took a boatload of verbal "encouragement" from landry after staubach retired.

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they'd commit some stupid, untimely drive-killing penalty -- blank stare.

walter would take a 14-step drop and, shocker, get sacked again -- blank stare.

they'd get flagged for unsportsmanlike at the worst possible moment -- blank stare.

moss would alligator-arm another pass across the middle -- blank stare.

 

 

 

Loved every minute of it....I'm actually sad to see him go :D

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Loved every minute of it....I'm actually sad to see him go :D

 

 

don't get me wrong, it was great comedy watching him "coach" while propped up on the sidelines, utterly flatlined. put sunglasses and a tommy bahama shirt on him and it would have been "weekend at bernie's"

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yeah yeah, that's the simple response...:D

 

but come on, VH, didn't you ONCE wonder if he was even paying attention to the game, or even gave a rat's arze about what was going on on the field? no, you don't have to be bill cowher and spray 13 gallons of spit on the refs to be a good coach, but shell seriously didn't even look like he knew what planet he was on, or cared.

 

they'd commit some stupid, untimely drive-killing penalty -- blank stare.

walter would take a 14-step drop and, shocker, get sacked again -- blank stare.

they'd get flagged for unsportsmanlike at the worst possible moment -- blank stare.

moss would alligator-arm another pass across the middle -- blank stare.

 

at SOME point, you'd think he would have at least opened his friggin mouth to yell, teach, scold, encourage, something, ANY-F*CKING-THING! just once. maybe he, like moss (who's a visionary, far as i'm concerned, compared to everyone else in the OAK organization) knew this team was a f'n disaster from the start of training camp and just packed it in mentallly. but be honest -- didn't you want him to go apesh*t just ONCE this season! even landry yelled every now and then, just ask danny white, who took a boatload of verbal "encouragement" from landry after staubach retired.

 

No, Art Shell's lack of emotion on the sideline never once played into how I felt he was doing on the sideline. He doesn't emote on the sideline, didn't in his first stint so why would he now? The Offense sucked balls, we all know that. But he doesn't express it on the sideline, it doesn't mean he doesn't off the field nor is it a sign that he is "lost" in the position. That team has a lot of problems with the players on the roster, getting rid of Woodson helped (and Buchannon before him) but there are still more there (Porter, Moss, Sapp...). I've stated MANY times before that I can't believe an O-line with that many hi draft picks on it, coached by two HofFers is THAT bad... but I still think he should have been given another year to try to turn it around. They were horrible under Turner, a new coach just doesn't (well, not often) show up and turn a bad team good. It takes time, ask Romeo Crennel.

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No, Art Shell's lack of emotion on the sideline never once played into how I felt he was doing on the sideline. He doesn't emote on the sideline, didn't in his first stint so why would he now? The Offense sucked balls, we all know that. But he doesn't express it on the sideline, it doesn't mean he doesn't off the field nor is it a sign that he is "lost" in the position. That team has a lot of problems with the players on the roster, getting rid of Woodson helped (and Buchannon before him) but there are still more there (Porter, Moss, Sapp...). I've stated MANY times before that I can't believe an O-line with that many hi draft picks on it, coached by two HofFers is THAT bad... but I still think he should have been given another year to try to turn it around. They were horrible under Turner, a new coach just doesn't (well, not often) show up and turn a bad team good. It takes time, ask Romeo Crennel.

 

 

well, then you're a better man than i, because i'm not even a raiders fan and his flatlined attitude made me want to shoot out my TV screen. football's an emotional game, and oftentimes players -- especially dogs like sapp, moss, porter et al -- need to be held accountable IN PUBLIC to be motivated....not in an offfice, not quietly taken aside at practice, but in front of the world. sometimes, players only respect emotion and anger because that's what they need to play at a high level. i'm only going by my semi-pro experience, but if a coach shows ZERO emotion and, worse, remains a deer in the headlights at the most crucial moments, he's quickly on his way to losing the players' respect. i can certainly see your point that one year isn't enough in the NFL -- joe bugel ws the only other one-year raider coach, which is saying a lot because they've had some bad teams in the past -- but it's just my opinion that shell looked WHOLLY ill-suited for the job and entirely over his head, hence the trademark blank stare that would reeeeeeally piss me off if i were a player.

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well, then you're a better man than i, because i'm not even a raiders fan and his flatlined attitude made me want to shoot out my TV screen. football's an emotional game, and oftentimes players -- especially dogs like sapp, moss, porter et al -- need to be held accountable IN PUBLIC to be motivated....not in an offfice, not quietly taken aside at practice, but in front of the world. sometimes, players only respect emotion and anger because that's what they need to play at a high level. i'm only going by my semi-pro experience, but if a coach shows ZERO emotion and, worse, remains a deer in the headlights at the most crucial moments, he's quickly on his way to losing the players' respect. i can certainly see your point that one year isn't enough in the NFL -- joe bugel ws the only other one-year raider coach, which is saying a lot because they've had some bad teams in the past -- but it's just my opinion that shell looked WHOLLY ill-suited for the job and entirely over his head, hence the trademark blank stare that would reeeeeeally piss me off if i were a player.

 

I see your point, but I just think it wasn't his way. He was obviously emotive off the field, why do you think Porter and him hated each other so? And I know he is a comptetant coach from his original successful run (though it was a decade ago, I know...).

 

I think it's fair to say I'm not a blind Homer when it comes to the Raiders, I just like to defend them when frequen, anti-homer Raider statements are tossed about. It's all in fun, and it sure is easy to bash the Raiders I know. And this being the Huddle boards, what fun is it if you CAN'T bash a team you hate when they are down? :D

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Emotional - Jon Gruden - 4-12

Flat line - Andy Reid - 10-6

 

Now, I agree that Shell's level of blank stare took the whole thing to new heights, and that Davis was just essentially bringing him in as a filler, but I still think this was BS. You bring him in, he gets one side of the ball to play pretty darn well considering they knew they had no shot of actually winning games, and his three top weapons on off were either malcontent (porter), lazy (Moss), or injured when not running into 5 guys who had gotten into the backfield (and also overrated) - Jordan. On top of that, worst QB situation in the league and a high draft pick tackle who sucks. None of these were guys he brought in.

 

I'm not a Raiders fan or enemy (one of the teams I just don't care about), and don't care too much about Art Shell really (felt he got screwed a bit first time around), but just seems wrong.

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Emotional - Jon Gruden - 4-12

Flat line - Andy Reid - 10-6

 

Now, I agree that Shell's level of blank stare took the whole thing to new heights, and that Davis was just essentially bringing him in as a filler, but I still think this was BS. You bring him in, he gets one side of the ball to play pretty darn well considering they knew they had no shot of actually winning games, and his three top weapons on off were either malcontent (porter), lazy (Moss), or injured when not running into 5 guys who had gotten into the backfield (and also overrated) - Jordan. On top of that, worst QB situation in the league and a high draft pick tackle who sucks. None of these were guys he brought in.

 

I'm not a Raiders fan or enemy (one of the teams I just don't care about), and don't care too much about Art Shell really (felt he got screwed a bit first time around), but just seems wrong.

 

+1

Nice to read an objective, honest point of view on it.

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his three top weapons on off were either malcontent (porter), lazy (Moss)

 

 

You know what they could have used? Some sort of leader to take control of the team, set forth a plan for victory, garner the respect of the team, inspire the players, and enforce some sort of discipline when they aren't putting in the effort.

 

But, I imagine it would be tough to justify spending money for this new position I just invented, when they had just hired a bunch of new coaches.

 

:D

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Shell got fired too early last time, but shouldn't have been hired back. I wish Al would just retire. How does a Dan Snyder keep getting decent coaches, he's pretty similar to Davis, isn't he?

 

I think I'd like to see D coordinator Bob Ryan (Buddy's son) get the job. He's groomed a pretty good D and we all know that is what wins championships. Bring in a vet QB like before, work on the line and there you go!

 

The last time Davis hired a defensive coach was when he promoted John Madden. That worked out pretty well, didn't it!

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