AllThingsBillBelichick Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 POST SEASON RECORDS: Montana (4 Rings) 16-7 Post Season Record Brady (3 Rings) 11-1 Post Season Record Brady has played in half the games as Montana. Brady still not even 30 years old. Montana was great but he did have the best WR ever (Jerry Rice) to throw to. This week Brady's receiving stud was Jabbar Gafney! -ATBB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 POST SEASON RECORDS: Montana (4 Rings) 16-7 Post Season Record Brady (3 Rings) 11-1 Post Season Record Brady has played in half the games as Montana. Exactly. Give Brady another 11 games & his record won't look quite as spiffy. NE's window is closing - in fact, it was closing last year. No question, Brady has been a money QB when it has counted, and has been great in the post season. This is no knock on him by any means. But it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Brady's post season record become even or worse than Montana's with fewer rings when it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke'em ttg Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 POST SEASON RECORDS: Montana (4 Rings) 16-7 Post Season Record.....Hot Wife Brady (3 Rings) 11-1 Post Season Record.........Rosie Brady has played in half the games as Montana. Brady still not even 30 years old. Montana was great but he did have the best WR ever (Jerry Rice) to throw to. This week Brady's receiving stud was Jabbar Gafney! -ATBB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllThingsBillBelichick Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 NE's window is closing? NO WAY! NE is in great shape with the salary cap. They have (2) #1 picks next year. They have the best coach to ever coach in the NFL and the best QB in the league. This windows has been opened since 2001 and I don't see if closing any time soon. The dynasty continues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Thanks for showing how comparing 2 all-time greats can be accurately analzyed simply by looking at stats. Never saw that on an FF board before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 NE's window is closing? NO WAY! NE is in great shape with the salary cap. They have (2) #1 picks next year. They have the best coach to ever coach in the NFL and the best QB in the league. This windows has been opened since 2001 and I don't see if closing any time soon. The dynasty continues... Ummm, okay. Note to self: Make sure someone has ATBB is on suicide watch for the next few years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Exactly. Give Brady another 11 games & his record won't look quite as spiffy. NE's window is closing - in fact, it was closing last year. No question, Brady has been a money QB when it has counted, and has been great in the post season. This is no knock on him by any means. But it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Brady's post season record become even or worse than Montana's with fewer rings when it happens. 12-4 and onto the Divisional Round, yeah...closing real fast. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Brady's post season record become a lot better than Montana's with more rings after it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) Lets just say I wouldnt put brady ahead of even Aikman yet, let alone Montana. Brady had one of the better defenses in the league in 2 of those 3 Sb wins, something Montana never had, thus Brady didnt have to do nearly as much as Montana. Aikman I think is a better Qb, from every aspect of the game, and should have won at least one more SB, in what is most likely the most dominating Dynasty of the all. Id put that Boys team against any of the pats, and Brady would be 0-3 in Sbs if that was the case. Parity, with solid D play, probably the worst division in football over the past 6 yr, and Brady has also had home field throughout most of those playoff games. Brady is good, but he is no Montana. And his next Sb, will be his most deserving, as like BB said, that window is closing and that D aint as good as it used to be. Brady's next Sb will be one he has to win, like Montana did all 4. Also, Keep in mind if it wasnt for the BS tuck rule, Brady wouldnt have even won the first one. Edited January 8, 2007 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Lets just say I wouldnt put brady ahead of even Aikman yet, let alone Montana. Brady had one of the better defenses in the league in 2 of those 3 Sb wins, something Montana never had, thus Brady didnt have to do nearly as much as Montana. Aikman I think is a better Qb, from every aspect of the game, and should have won at least one more SB, in what is most likely the most dominating Dynasty of the all. Id put that Boys team against any of the pats, and Brady would be 0-3 in Sbs if that was the case. Inferior competition, with solid D play, and probably the worst division in football over the past 6 yr, and Brady has also had home field throughout most of those playoff games. Brady is good, but he is no Montana. And his next Sb, will be his most deserving, as like BB said, that window is closing and that D aint as good as it used to be. You are such a homer and hater it's pathetic. Not an objective bone in your body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) NE's window is closing? NO WAY! NE is in great shape with the salary cap. They have (2) #1 picks next year. They have the best coach to ever coach in the NFL and the best QB in the league. This windows has been opened since 2001 and I don't see if closing any time soon. The dynasty continues... Wouldnt you have to keep winning Sbs for the Dynasty to continue, and few if anyone see another Lombardi trophy heading to NE anytime sooon. Billicheck is the benefit of parcells players, two of the best coordinators in the last 15 yrs, Romeo and Charlie. Isnt it ironic that they havent, won a road playoff game, nor played in a AFC title game, or even Sb since those two have left. And Bill is no Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi, Tom Landy or Chuck Knoll, and probably is more on par with Bill Cowher, than any of the great coaches of all time. Edited January 8, 2007 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) You are such a homer and hater it's pathetic. Not an objective bone in your body. objective?Brady has as many Sbs as Aikman, and Aikman was a great Qb. Are you debating either of those facts. Aikman played in a era, where medicority didnt rule, as is the case with era of today. And the boys were the youngest team in the NFL when they won their first Sb in the 90s,. and had it all. Hall of fame QB, rushing champion and HOF RB, soon to be Hall of fame WR, one of the most clutch pass catching TEs in the league, and maybe one of the best OL from tackle to tackle to ever suit up. Jimmy was a great big game coach. What objective critism can you say about any of this. Edited January 8, 2007 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 You are such a homer and hater it's pathetic. Not an objective bone in your body. Pot, meet kettle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Pot, meet kettle. Homer, yes, but I can be very objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Homer, yes, but I can be very objective. I was kidding, hoping for more of a rise than I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) Homer, yes, but I can be very objective. Im waiting for your rebuttal on anything I stated above. This homer is dead on, and you know it. Edited January 8, 2007 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 objective?Brady has as many Sbs as Aikman, and Aikman was a great Qb. Are you debating either of those facts. Aikman played in a era, where medicority didnt rule, as is the case with era of today. And the boys were the youngest team in the NFL when they won their first Sb in the 90s,. and had it all. Hall of fame QB, rushing champion and HOF RB, soon to be Hall of fame WR, one of the most clutch pass catching TEs in the league, and maybe one of the best OL from tackle to tackle to ever suit up. Jimmy was a great big game coach. What objective critism can you say about any of this. How about since the Boys did have all that and it is a salary cap era now, what Brady has done is even more remarkable than anything Aikman did. Heck, I think Aikman was great and one of, if not the most, accurate passers ever. However, I also think that of Brady. But, I think Brady does a lot more with less, so they are neck and neck to me. I'm not saying the Cowboys weren't great, they were. But, so are the Pats and they continue to win. You don't give them any such credit or due props. That is why you aren't objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd1 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I disagree Sarge, I think the Cowboys had it much easier. It was definitely the "haves" and the "have nots." Most of their team was assembled pre-salary cap and pre-free agency. Back in 1993, you could almost guarantee who the playoff teams and SB champs would be at the beginning of the year. Now, many SB teams didn't even make the playoffs the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 How about since the Boys did have all that and it is a salary cap era now, what Brady has done is even more remarkable than anything Aikman did. Heck, I think Aikman was great and one of, if not the most, accurate passers ever. However, I also think that of Brady. But, I think Brady does a lot more with less, so they are neck and neck to me. I'm not saying the Cowboys weren't great, they were. But, so are the Pats and they continue to win. You don't give them any such credit or due props. That is why you aren't objective. It was a salary cap era then too. They lost backups that went and started for other teams as early as after the 1st SB. So get your facts straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 It was a salary cap era then too. They lost backups that went and started for other teams as early as after the 1st SB. So get your facts straight. OK, sorry, those weren't exactly great years for Eagles fans so I tend to block them out. Fact remains that on offense, at least, Aikman had much more support than Brady. Also, what does that have to do with you not giving the Pats or Brady their due? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I disagree Sarge, I think the Cowboys had it much easier. It was definitely the "haves" and the "have nots." Most of their team was assembled pre-salary cap and pre-free agency. Back in 1993, you could almost guarantee who the playoff teams and SB champs would be at the beginning of the year. Now, many SB teams didn't even make the playoffs the year before. Which is why its more impressive what the Boys did. They built that team through the draft, before FA. Jay Noacheck was the only FA on their first 2 SB teams in the 90's. But they were the hardest hit as teams wanted their players. If Aikman, Irvin, and Emmit played in this era, there is little doubt the Pats are reveared any different than the Bronco's pre Terrell Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 OK, sorry, those weren't exactly great years for Eagles fans so I tend to block them out. Fact remains that on offense, at least, Aikman had much more support than Brady. Also, what does that have to do with you not giving the Pats or Brady their due? When the ravens, with no offense, The Steelers with terrible Qb play, can win a SB in this era. Its just a bad era for football. The Pats are a nice team, and are racking up wins in this decade, but do they really stack up well with any of the great Dynasty teams of all time. I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 When the ravens, with no offense, The Steelers with terrible Qb play, can win a SB in this era. Its just a bad era for football. The Pats are a nice team, and are racking up wins in this decade, but do they really stack up well with any of the great Dynasty teams of all time. I think not. Yes...precisely for the reasons you suggest. It's a lot tougher to sustain winning in this day and age then it was 10-15 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I hate the Patriots and I hate Tom Brady. And, being a Notre Dame fan and a fan of great football in general, I absolutely loved Joe Montana. Tom Brady is better than Joe Montana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 When the ravens, with no offense, The Steelers with terrible Qb play, can win a SB in this era. Its just a bad era for football. The Pats are a nice team, and are racking up wins in this decade, but do they really stack up well with any of the great Dynasty teams of all time. I think not. Hopefully you were referring to just the Super Bowl with your Steelers and terrible QB play. Don't confuse this year's Roethlisberger with last years. Last year, he was third in the NFL in QB rating, and had an almost perfect rating in the AFC playoffs. Even after his awful Super Bowl, he still had the best QB rating of all QB's throughout the playoffs. Now, we will hear everyone call me homer, but, those are simply facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I wonder what Tom Brady would do at the helm of a ship manned by Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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