Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Andy is a solid coach, but isnt a big game coach. Andy and the Birds philosphy is to draft backups to one day take over starting jobs, instead of drafting playmakers who can help your team win a title now. The one time the Birds went out and got a top notch offensive FA, TO, they made the Sb and TO was the best Bird player in that game. But the way that relationship ended, it isnt likely they will go get another stud like TO again. The comparison between the Birds and A's are both are solid organizations with a talented scouting department, but neither want to spend money on playmakers, and are always coming up short, as a resort. At least Beane has limited resources as his excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Billy Beane isn't a coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Andy is a solid coach, but isnt a big game coach. Andy and the Birds philosphy is to draft backups to one day take over starting jobs, instead of drafting playmakers who can help your team win a title now. The one time the Birds went out and got a top notch offensive FA, TO, they made the Sb and TO was the best Bird player in that game. But the way that relationship ended, it isnt likely they will go get another stud like TO again.The comparison between the Birds and A's are both are solid organizations with a talented scouting department, but neither want to spend money on playmakers, and are always coming up short, as a resort. At least Beane has limited resources as his excuse. If by that you mean trouble-making a-hole, then you're right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 Billy Beane isn't a coach. Billy Beane is the GM, and makes personel decisions. Andy Reid is the coach and makes personel decisions. That is what Im comparing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Billy Beane is the GM, and makes personel decisions. Andy Reid is the coach and makes personel decisions. That is what Im comparing. Andy Reid has a salary cap to contend with, Beane does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 Andy Reid has a salary cap to contend with, Beane does not. Are you kidding, Beane has limited finanical resources, due to the owners resources. Reid has much more to spend on talent than Beane does. Alot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Andy is a solid coach, but isnt a big game coach. Andy and the Birds philosphy is to draft backups to one day take over starting jobs, instead of drafting playmakers who can help your team win a title now. The one time the Birds went out and got a top notch offensive FA, TO, they made the Sb and TO was the best Bird player in that game. But the way that relationship ended, it isnt likely they will go get another stud like TO again. The comparison between the Birds and A's are both are solid organizations with a talented scouting department, but neither want to spend money on playmakers, and are always coming up short, as a resort. At least Beane has limited resources as his excuse. they've won a helluva lot more "big games" during the reid era than the dallas cowboys, washington redskins, and their "go out and get playmakers to help now" approach to free agency and the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Are you kidding, Beane has limited finanical resources, due to the owners resources. Reid has much more to spend on talent than Beane does. Alot more. That was true of Reid, too, prior to the new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 let's see, via trade/free agency, they "went out and got" javon kearse, TO, stallworth, garcia, to name a few. via the draft they went out and got mcnabb, westbrook, brown (sheldon AND reggie), lito sheppard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 they've won a helluva lot more "big games" during the reid era than the dallas cowboys, washington redskins, and their "go out and get playmakers to help now" approach to free agency and the draft. I think you are missing the point. Philly was so close for 5 yrs, and failed to get the kind of playmaker to add to their team to get them a Lombardi Trophy. Most teams have windows to get a title, and the Birds failed in their window, and its because they were to cheap to get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 let's see, via trade/free agency, they "went out and got" javon kearse, TO, stallworth, garcia, to name a few. via the draft they went out and got mcnabb, westbrook, brown (sheldon AND reggie), lito sheppard. Kearse- Bust TO- Oprahed that up Stallwroth is hardly a stud, but a decent player garcia is a backup, and will be a backup again next yr, unless someone throws stupid money at him to start. What pick in the draft was McNabb. I give them alot of credit for Westbrook as he was a later round pick 3rd I believe. But the rest of those players you mentioned via draft were all 1st or 2nd round players. Im not suggesting Philly doesnt know how to bring in talent, but before they brought in Owens, look at that Wr Corp. If Andy and the Birds were not so cheap, and stubborn, and brought in a stud WR, they would probably have one Lombardi trophy by now. Now, its probably too late to get one for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Kearse- Bust TO- Oprahed that up Stallwroth is hardly a stud, but a decent player garcia is a backup, and will be a backup again next yr, unless someone throws stupid money at him to start. What pick in the draft was McNabb. I give them alot of credit for Westbrook as he was a later round pick 3rd I believe. But the rest of those players you mentioned via draft were all 1st or 2nd round players. Im not suggesting Philly doesnt know how to bring in talent, but before they brought in Owens, look at that Wr Corp. If Andy and the Birds were not so cheap, and stubborn, and brought in a stud WR, they would probably have one Lombardi trophy by now. Now, its probably too late to get one for some time. most cowboys are playing golf and then some cowboy fans are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD6405 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) I think the Atlanta Braves are better to use instead of the A's. But I don't agree with the comparison. Edited January 8, 2007 by CD6405 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Kearse- Bust TO- Oprahed that up Stallwroth is hardly a stud, but a decent player garcia is a backup, and will be a backup again next yr, unless someone throws stupid money at him to start. What pick in the draft was McNabb. I give them alot of credit for Westbrook as he was a later round pick 3rd I believe. But the rest of those players you mentioned via draft were all 1st or 2nd round players. Im not suggesting Philly doesnt know how to bring in talent, but before they brought in Owens, look at that Wr Corp. If Andy and the Birds were not so cheap, and stubborn, and brought in a stud WR, they would probably have one Lombardi trophy by now. Now, its probably too late to get one for some time. i don't really get your point. if you're saying that they're cheap and stubborn and afraid to pull the trigger on top notch talent, then how do you explain kearse and TO? if you're saying they don't draft well, there are plenty of examples to prove otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) What Im saying is they failed to get the WR help they depserately needed, because of philosphy. When they got the WR help, they got to the SB, but McNabb choked down the stretch in that game, as he always seemed to do, and TO proved to be the best Eagle in that game. You brought up the draft, and I said they did well in drafts, but they had a Championship calibur team, outside the WR position, and they waited until year 5 of that window to address that position with a proven player at the position. Sorry, Freddie Mitchell doesnt count And Im comparing the way Andy and Billy acquire talent. Edited January 8, 2007 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzkek Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 What Im saying is they failed to get the WR help they depserately needed, because of philosphy. When they got the WR help, they got to the SB, but McNabb choked down the stretch in that game, as he always seemed to do, and TO proved to be the best Eagle in that game. You brought up the draft, and I said they did well in drafts, but they had a Championship calibur team, outside the WR position, and they waited until year 5 of that window to address that position with a proven player at the position. Sorry, Freddie Mitchell doesnt count And Im comparing the way Andy and Billy acquire talent. With all the Super Bowls that NE has won, who were there STUD WR's? Branch is certainly not a stud. Serviceable? Without question, but hardly a stud. It is all about systems and how well they are executed which determines winning in the NFL. Everybody has talent. How you use that talent is what determines your record. Your Cowboys had arguably the best tandem of WR's in the NFC if not the league. How did that work out? Not trying to knock you as a fan, but if Dallas would have USED their WR's more they might still be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 What Im saying is they failed to get the WR help they depserately needed, because of philosphy. When they got the WR help, they got to the SB, but McNabb choked down the stretch in that game, as he always seemed to do, and TO proved to be the best Eagle in that game. Remind me how TO assisted the Eagles get to the Super Bowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzkek Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Remind me how TO assisted the Eagles get to the Super Bowl? I think by getting hurt before the playoffs started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Andy is a solid coach, but isnt a big game coach. Andy and the Birds philosphy is to draft backups to one day take over starting jobs, instead of drafting playmakers who can help your team win a title now. The one time the Birds went out and got a top notch offensive FA, TO, they made the Sb and TO was the best Bird player in that game. But the way that relationship ended, it isnt likely they will go get another stud like TO again. The comparison between the Birds and A's are both are solid organizations with a talented scouting department, but neither want to spend money on playmakers, and are always coming up short, as a resort. At least Beane has limited resources as his excuse. comparing a baseball GM and a football coach?? baseball and football drafts are 2 entirely different animals, and not comparable at all. As for FA, the A's don't really go out and get any - Your WR comparison would more accurately be Mike Homlgren or Bill Belicheck- both plug guys into the system more than spend $$ on FA WR's. Are you comparing Philly not going after a high profile WR to the A's not getting a power hitting left fielder that can also swipe some bags, and has a high OPS?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 What Im saying is they failed to get the WR help they depserately needed, because of philosphy. When they got the WR help, they got to the SB, but McNabb choked down the stretch in that game, as he always seemed to do, and TO proved to be the best Eagle in that game. You brought up the draft, and I said they did well in drafts, but they had a Championship calibur team, outside the WR position, and they waited until year 5 of that window to address that position with a proven player at the position. Sorry, Freddie Mitchell doesnt count And Im comparing the way Andy and Billy acquire talent. they drafted fredex , pinkston, brown all in the first or second round. they traded for TO and stallworth. obviously a lot of those moves didn't really work out for them, but that doesn't really equate to them "stubbornly waiting 5 years to address that position". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 comparing a baseball GM and a football coach?? baseball and football drafts are 2 entirely different animals, and not comparable at all. On top of that, baseball has an established farm system whereas football does not. It's the farm system and it's skillful management that allows teams like the Twins to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 On top of that, baseball has an established farm system whereas football does not. It's the farm system and it's skillful management that allows teams like the Twins to compete. How do you stock a farm system. Scouting and the draft. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junebugz Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Andy is a solid coach, but isnt a big game coach. Andy and the Birds philosphy is to draft backups to one day take over starting jobs, instead of drafting playmakers who can help your team win a title now. The one time the Birds went out and got a top notch offensive FA, TO, they made the Sb and TO was the best Bird player in that game. But the way that relationship ended, it isnt likely they will go get another stud like TO again. The comparison between the Birds and A's are both are solid organizations with a talented scouting department, but neither want to spend money on playmakers, and are always coming up short, as a resort. At least Beane has limited resources as his excuse. agreed ... they will look for someone that actually has a brain, not just a mouth. there are not many studs out there "like" TO ... he has kind of proven his unique abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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