budlitebrad Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Here are the 25 semifinalists to refresh your memory: Terrell Davis - RB - 1995-2001 Denver Broncos Dermontti Dawson - C - 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers Fred Dean - DE - 1975-1981 San Diego Chargers, 1981-1985 San Francisco 49ers Richard Dent - DE - 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles Randy Gradishar - LB - 1974-1983 Denver Broncos Kevin Greene - LB/DE - 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-1995 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-1999 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers Russ Grimm - G - 1981-1991 Washington Redskins Ray Guy - P - 1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Charles Haley - DE/LB - 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-1996 Dallas Cowboys Lester Hayes - CB - 1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Michael Irvin - WR - 1988-1999 Dallas Cowboys Bob Kuechenberg - G - 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins Bruce Matthews - G/T/C - 1983-2001 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Titans Randall McDaniel - G - 1988-1999 Minnesota Vikings, 2000-2001 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Art Modell - Owner - 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2003 Baltimore Ravens Art Monk - WR - 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles Andre Reed - WR -1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins Ken Stabler - QB - 1970-1979 Oakland Raiders, 1980-1981 Houston Oilers, 1982-1984 New Orleans Saints Paul Tagliabue - Commissioner - 1989-2006 National Football League Derrick Thomas - LB - 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs Thurman Thomas - RB - 1988-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Miami Dolphins Andre Tippett - LB - 1982-1993 New England Patriots, injured 1989 Roger Wehrli - CB - 1969-1982 St. Louis Cardinals George Young - GM/Administrator - 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-1978 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League Gary Zimmerman - T - 1986-1992 Minnesota Vikings, 1993-1997 Denver Broncos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd1 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Not sure how many can make it, but I'd like to see Dent, Greene, Monk, Reed and DT. Maybe Dawson and Matthews too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xMRogers Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 If I'm reading right, only TD, Bruce mathews and Randall McDaniel are new this year, right? I hope Mathews gets in (Dawson too). TD, I just don't know - if he doesn't get hurt, 2 or 3 more years and he's a shoo-in, but that's all part of it....there are guys that played a year, got hurt, never came back that may have been HOFers, so you gotta play enough years regardless of how good you were for individual years. So Mathews, Dawson, Art Monk, and Ray Guy are my votes (not looking at the owner/ref/whatever guys) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 quite a list.... i see a lot of o-line that seem pretty worthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Ray Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Richard Dent - DE - 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles Kevin Greene - LB/DE - 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-1995 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-1999 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers Russ Grimm - G - 1981-1991 Washington Redskins Ray Guy - P - 1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Lester Hayes - CB - 1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Randall McDaniel - G - 1988-1999 Minnesota Vikings, 2000-2001 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Art Modell - Owner - 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2003 Baltimore Ravens Art Monk - WR - 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles Andre Reed - WR -1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins Ken Stabler - QB - 1970-1979 Oakland Raiders, 1980-1981 Houston Oilers, 1982-1984 New Orleans Saints Derrick Thomas - LB - 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs Thurman Thomas - RB - 1988-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Miami Dolphins Andre Tippett - LB - 1982-1993 New England Patriots, injured 1989 Gary Zimmerman - T - 1986-1992 Minnesota Vikings, 1993-1997 Denver Broncos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) <-------------------------------------------- Edited January 10, 2007 by Hat Trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 what yuk said plus dawson and dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Listed alphabetically, the 17 finalists with their positions, teams, and years active follow: Fred Dean - Defensive End - 1975-1981 San Diego Chargers, 1981-1985 San Francisco 49ers Richard Dent - Defensive End - 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles Russ Grimm - Guard - 1981-1991 Washington Redskins Ray Guy - Punter - 1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Gene Hickerson - Guard - 1958-1973 Cleveland Browns Michael Irvin - Wide Receiver - 1988-1999 Dallas Cowboys Bob Kuechenberg - Guard - 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins Bruce Matthews - Guard, Tackle, Center - 1983-2001 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Titans Art Monk - Wide Receiver - 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles Andre Reed - Wide Receiver - 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins Charlie Sanders - Tight End - 1968-1977 Detroit Lions Paul Tagliabue - NFL Commissioner - 1989-2006 Derrick Thomas - Linebacker - 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs Thurman Thomas - Running Back - 1988-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Miami Dolphins Andre Tippett - Linebacker - 1982-1993 New England Patriots Roger Wehrli - Cornerback - 1969-1982 St. Louis Cardinals Gary Zimmerman - Tackle - 1986-1992 Minnesota Vikings, 1993-1997 Denver Broncos link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 TD not on the list. i can't figure out why randy gradishar continues to get screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Joe Klecko should be in the Hall of Fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogohawk Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 These would be my choices: Richard Dent - Defensive End - 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles Russ Grimm - Guard - 1981-1991 Washington Redskins Ray Guy - Punter - 1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Bob Kuechenberg - Guard - 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins Bruce Matthews - Guard, Tackle, Center - 1983-2001 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Titans Art Monk - Wide Receiver - 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles Andre Reed - Wide Receiver - 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins Derrick Thomas - Linebacker - 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs Thurman Thomas - Running Back - 1988-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Miami Dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Gene Hickerson - Guard - 1958-1973 Cleveland Browns A travesty right here. Dude cleared the way for HOF'ers Jim Brown AND Leroy Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 At least 3 get in, and no more than 6. Dent, Grimm, Guy, Hickerson, Irvin, Kuechenberg, Monk, Derrick Thomas, Thurman Thomas, Wehrli, and Zimmerman have all been finalists before. Tagliabue and Matthews made it in their first year of eligibility. Thinking about it for a bit.... If I was picking 6: Richard Dent Gene Hickerson Bruce Matthews Paul Tagliabue Derrick Thomas Gary Zimmerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 These would be my choices: Richard Dent - Defensive End - 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles Russ Grimm - Guard - 1981-1991 Washington Redskins Ray Guy - Punter - 1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Bob Kuechenberg - Guard - 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins Bruce Matthews - Guard, Tackle, Center - 1983-2001 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Titans Art Monk - Wide Receiver - 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles Andre Reed - Wide Receiver - 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins Derrick Thomas - Linebacker - 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs Thurman Thomas - Running Back - 1988-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Miami Dolphins They will only allow 6. And you know Tagliabue is one of them. So, you have to cut four names off your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake_the_builder Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Sad that DDawson didn't get in, he is one of the all time best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no one Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Will make it in: Michael Irvin Paul Tagliabue Derrick Thomas Maybe a couple of these as well: Richard Dent Art Monk Andre Reed Thurman Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) Yet another year that Gradishar will not get in despite having better per-game career numbers than Ray Lewis. That he & Monk aren't in are the biggest jokes - or would be if it weren't so pathetic - in all the HoF voting and clearly show that the voters are complete idiots. Edited January 10, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) Yet another year that Gradishar will not get in despite having better per-game career numbers than Ray Lewis. That he & Monk aren't in are the biggest jokes - or would be if it weren't so pathetic - in all the HoF voting and clearly show that the voters are complete idiots. Reading the Monk bio, I don't know if you can include a guy that was only a two-time All-Pro player. Not with as many guys on this list that were regarded as the dominant players at their position during their respective eras. And in regards to Gradishar, I agree he needs more consideration, but what per-game career numbers are you referring to? Edited January 10, 2007 by godtomsatan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xMRogers Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Yea, Tags is in without a doubt (why don't they make coaches/owners/whatever wait 5 years...). I think Dawson not even being a finalist is a joke. Same reason Walter Jones never gets any MVP consid...not pretty position and there are no real stats. Monk's interesting - somewhat agree with the concept of not having been an allpro, but sustained great play for a long time, even if you were continually the 5th/6th best while other players went up and down, should count. And his career stats are tough to ignore. I hope Irvin finishes 7th....every f'n year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I took my lumps as a teenage Broncos fan transplanted to Cleveland in the era of The Drive and The Fumble. I'd stay up to 3 a.m. waiting for the Broncos scores to come in while stationed aboard a fast attack submarine. I flew to Denver to watch Super Bowl XXXII at Larry Walker's sports bar. I flew back the next year to watch XXXIII at Jackson's Hole. I breathed in the smell of victory and tear gas in LoDo afterward. I threw the biggest Broncos tailgate party in the history of Arrowhead Stadium, and I paid an ungodly sum for the worst seats in the house to watch the last Broncos game at Mile High Stadium. With my bonafides as a Broncos fan firmly established, I'm about to speak blasphemy . . . I'd trade every Broncos accomplishment of the last 10 years for the pleasure of watching Randy Gradishar enshrined into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I could sit here and recount Gradishar's statistics and compare them to those of the linebackers already enshrined in Canton. The seven Pro Bowls, one Defensive Player of the Year and countless team records are comparable to Nick Buoniconti, Ted Hendricks and Jack Ham.Gradishar never missed a single game and played at a Pro Bowl level until the day he retired. While not having the advantage of being surrounded by other Hall of Fame caliber teammates, he finished a career equal to any. But it's more than just the 2,049 tackles or 33 turnovers. Randy Gradishar was the heart and soul of the original Orange Crush defense. He was the centerpiece of Joe Collier's 3-4 and the glue that held a ragtag bunch of degenerates and hand-me-downs (I mean that in a good way) together. So fractured were the Broncos in the run-up to Super Bowl XII, Denver head coach Red Miller appointed Gradishar as the team's official "B---- Coach." It was his job to handle the complaints of Lyle Alzado, Rubin Carter and the Dirty Dozen, a group of 12 Broncos that led a mutiny the previous year resulting in the ouster of coach John Ralston. Gradishar was the cornerstone of a defense that yielded just 27 points to the Cowboys despite an offense that turned the ball over seven times in the first half alone, five of them inside Dallas field-goal range. Getting Gradishar in the Hall isn't just about recognizing a worthy player, it's also about validating the fact that football existed in the Mile High City even before the Broncos traded for the rights to a flamethrower from Stanford. If No. 53 would have played for the Steelers, Cowboys or Dolphins, he would have been enshrined years ago. It's a glaring omission, and Canton is the worse for it. Over the next 10 years, sportswriters will debate the HoF credentials of Gary Zimmerman, Shannon Sharpe, Steve Atwater, Terrell Davis, Tom Nalen and Rod Smith. But there shouldn't be any debate over Gradishar. He has earned his own bust in Canton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 can 2049 tackles for gradishar be right? guy played 10 years...and i know he had 224 one year...but 2049 would be a 10-year AVERAGE of over 200 tackles per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 can 2049 tackles for gradishar be right? guy played 10 years...and i know he had 224 one year...but 2049 would be a 10-year AVERAGE of over 200 tackles per year. That's what I'm curious about. The NFL doesn't have official tackle sacks anywhere online.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) For sure: Derrick Thomas, Art Monk, Andre Reed, Gradishar, Ray Guy, Art Modell (sorry, Browns fans) Maybe: Dent, Bruce Matthews, Michael Irvin, Lester Hayes, Tagliabue (increased NFL popularity big-time during his tenure) I don't think that Thurman Thomas and Kevin Greene get in. Terrell Davis didn't play long enough. Edited January 10, 2007 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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