Return Of S&B Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) Welcome back Rex Ryan Rex was the one I was afraid they were going to get...so glad they chose Norvell Edited February 19, 2007 by Return Of S&B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Wonder how the NAACP views these last two NFL hirings? Well, at least Cottrell is black. Don't go confusing him with facts. That ruins his schtick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 I disagree that he is a good HC. I think the jury's still out..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REZ Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Dang. Norv was doing really well with the 49er offense. So, how many years does Norv get to screw this chance up before he's let go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) I disagree, when Norv got the talent in Washington he won the divsion and took his team a pt away from the NFC Championship game. Then he was fired when lil Snyder bought the team, and tell me who could win in Oakland with that sad sack talent. Not saying Norv has proven to be a great head coach, but I think the jury is still out on whether he can win big as a HC. He can develop Qbs and Rbs, not that LT needs anymore developing. So rivers benefits the most, and Alex Smith will take a step back with the loss of Norv in SF. Edited February 19, 2007 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) With Norv gone from SF, I think that Gore puts up much lower numbers in 2007 as compared to 2006...say maybe 1,200 / 6 TDs...which will drop him just outside top 10 RBs in most fantasy leagues. You can bet that he will be drafted around 4 through 6 overall in most leagues. Edited February 19, 2007 by Pancake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 i think this can work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 With Norv gone from SF, I think that Gore puts up much lower numbers in 2007 as compared to 2006...say maybe 1,200 / 6 TDs...which will drop him just outside top 10 RBs in most fantasy leagues. You can bet that he will be drafted around 4 through 6 overall in most leagues. has the OC been hired in SF yet? If not I'm not sure how you can say what will happen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 has the OC been hired in SF yet? If not I'm not sure how you can say what will happen.... I understand what your saying but most any other OC (as far as RB production) will be a step down. Go look at Norv's history as a HC / OC and the RBs that he was coaching....very impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return Of S&B Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) |Year TEAM | W L T|W L| |1994 was |03--13--0|0-0| |1995 was |06--10--0|0-0| |1996 was |09--07--0|0-0| |1997 was |08--07--1|0-0| |1998 was |06--10--0|0-0| |1999 was |10--06--0|1-1| |2000 was |07--06--0|0-0| Turner had a record of 49-59 while coaching the Skins. In SEVEN years with Washington, Norvell's team made the playoff ONCE. He finished with one playoff win and one playoff loss while Head Coach of the Redskins |2004 oak |05--11--0|0-0| |2005 oak |04--12--0|0-0| | TOTALS |58--82--1|1-1| Turner had a record of 9-23 while coaching the Raiders. In Oakland, Turner inherited an over-the-hill team that needed rebuilding (Gannon, Rice, and Brown were all over 37 in 2004 and were all resisting retirement). In 2005, he admittedly assembled a combo of offensive players for Oakland with potential Collins/Jordan/Moss, but all three never lived to expectations. While his 2 year stint in Oakland may have been to short to judge, his team showed no improvement from 2003 to 2004 (when he took over the team from Callihan) and from 2004 to 2005 (when the team actually regressed). Dont get me wrong, I respect Turner in what he brings to the Offensive side of the ball, and in the past he has been a great Offensive Coordinator...but as Coach he fails miserably. In todays NFL, a head coach must be more of a decision maker, motivator, and leader than an X's and O's guy. Turner is a great X's and O's guy, but he fails miserably at everything else. Edited February 19, 2007 by Return Of S&B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Jim Fassell would have been the best choice for SD. As a fan of an AFC opponent, I'm extremely happy the Chargers hired Norv Turner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Chargers hire Turner as head coach Click here to find out more! NFL.com wire reports SAN DIEGO (Feb. 19, 2007) -- Norv Turner got his third shot at an NFL head coaching job when he was hired Monday by the San Diego Chargers, a week after the surprise firing of Marty Schottenheimer. The hiring came less than 24 hours after the Chargers wrapped up their interviews. The team planned to introduce Turner at an afternoon news conference. Five years ago, Turner interviewed for the job that went to Schottenheimer. Turner, the San Francisco 49ers' offensive coordinator, was the only one of the six candidates who's been an NFL head coach, and the only one from the offensive side of the ball. He inherits a team that was an NFL-best 14-2 last season but melted down in its playoff opener, a stunning 24-21 loss to the New England Patriots. Turner had trouble winning in the regular season, going 58-82-1 in head coaching stints with Washington and Oakland. Schottenheimer had trouble winning in the postseason, going 5-13 overall and 0-2 with the Chargers. Last Monday, the Chargers again surprised the NFL when president Dean Spanos fired Schottenheimer, citing a "dysfunctional situation" between the coach and general manager A.J. Smith. Turner was fired by the Raiders in 2005 after going 9-23 in two seasons. San Francisco's Mike Nolan quickly hired Turner to take over the NFL's 32nd-ranked offense. Turner got remarkable progress from quarterback Alex Smith and an improved offensive line. He helped Frank Gore become the NFC's leading rusher in a breakout season. Turner was San Diego's offensive coordinator in 2001, LaDainian Tomlinson's rookie year. Plus, he'll be able to help with the continued development of quarterback Philip Rivers, who was voted to the Pro Bowl but saw his play tail off down the stretch. Tomlinson was the league's MVP after setting NFL records with 31 touchdowns and 186 points. Turner was one of the masterminds behind the Dallas offenses led by Hall of Famers Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin and NFL career rushing leader Emmitt Smith, winning two Super Bowl titles in three seasons as Dallas' offense coordinator. He had been the apparent front-runner to replace Bill Parcells in Dallas earlier this month before that job went to Wade Phillips, who had been the Chargers' defensive coordinator. Turner wasn't specific about the reasons he didn't end up in Dallas, but it's widely assumed Turner wanted more control than owner Jerry Jones was willing to give - control Turner never had in Washington or Oakland. It's up for debate whether he'll get it with the Chargers, since Schottenheimer lost his power struggle with Smith. The loss of Phillips to the Cowboys apparently accelerated the departure of Schottenheimer. Spanos and Smith were stunned that the Chargers lost both coordinators -- Cam Cameron was hired as Miami's head coach - and two assistant coaches became coordinators elsewhere. In firing Schottenheimer, Spanos would say only that the breaking point was the "process" the Chargers were going through in filling the void left by the staff exodus. Turner took over the Redskins in 1994, going 49-59-1 with one trip to the playoffs. He was fired by Dan Snyder with three games left in the 2000 season, when he could produce only a 7-6 record with a $100 million roster. After Terry Robiskie coached the last three games in 2000, the Redskins hired Schottenheimer, who went 8-8 in 2001 before being fired by Snyder. Schottenheimer was hired by the Chargers, a job Turner interviewed for. Turner then became Miami's offensive coordinator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 As a fan of an AFC opponent, I'm extremely happy the Chargers hired Norv Turner. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return Of S&B Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 What do Charger fans think of NORV as their head coach? http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=40021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted February 20, 2007 Author Share Posted February 20, 2007 What do Charger fans think of NORV as their head coach? http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=40021 Originally Posted by IAHawkeyes NO! an emphatic NO! I am going to cancel my season tickets. I could not be more furious that we did something this absolutely stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudolefty Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 What do Charger fans think of NORV as their head coach? http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=40021 Yes, I'm aware that Charger fans are not happy with the choice. I hang out on the Charger forums too. Many see Turner as a "re-tread" who's already had his chances. I must admit that I was hoping for Rex Ryan. However, now that the decision has been made, I'm all for it. AJ Smith has made alot of great draft and free agent decisions for the Chargers, and I"ll give him the benefit of the doubt on his coaching decision. I think the combo of a talented offensive mind in Turner with a 3-4 defensive specialist like Cottrell will work well. It'll keep the current offensive and defensive systems in place with some extra enhancements and keep the Chargers moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 So, what would you say are the offensive philosophies/strategic trends shown by Norv? And given his new team, do you think his coaching trends will continue? The only Norv-coordinated/head coached team that tallied 2 1000 yd WRs was the 1999 Washington Redskins. That was also the only time an offense on a team he was head coach of finished in the top 10 in yards and scoring - the only other top 10 finish aside from that year was 8th in yds in '96. Average finish in pass attempts of Norv's offenses as head coach was 12th; average finish in rushing attempts was 18th. As co-ordinator in Dallas from 90-93, his offense finished 7-8 in pts-yds in 91, and 2-4 in both 92 and 93. In rushing attempts, they finished 22nd, 17th, 4th, and 6th; in pass attempts, they finished 14th, 14th, 12th, and 24th. As coordinator and HC, his teams (90-93 Cowboys, 94-00 Redskins, 02-03 Dolphins, 04 Raiders) have featured 8 WRs who've cracked the 1000 yd mark, plus a couple near-misses (Chambers in '03 with 963 yds and Porter last year with 998), but only 4 players who tallied over 1300 yds (Irvin 91-93, Henry Ellard in 94). His 90 Cowboy, 97, 98, and 00 Redskin teams, both Dolphin years and last year were without 1000 yd WRs. And in 95 and 96, Ellard just barely squeaked over 1000 (1005 and 1014, respectively) yds despite averaging 18.7 ypc. In his bio, it says Turner "oversaw" the LA Rams passing game from 85-90. In this time, Henry Ellard had 3 1000 yd seasons (all 3 around 1300+ yds, and 10 tds in 88) from 88-90 and Flipper Anderson had 2 in 89 and 90. Not sure how much credit to assign, though, since Ernie Zampese held the title of offensive co-ordinator at that time. Most notable, though, is the only WR to crack double digits in all this time was Ellard in '88. It's been EXTREMELY rare for his teams to pass more than they run; and while I think Moss is a stud, future Hall-of-Famer Micheal Irvin topped out at 8 tds with Norv calling the shots. Turner's first year with the Skins (94), they finished 23rd in rushing att, 24th in yds, and 22nd in ypc with a bunch of who-dats. In 95, they got Terry Allen - who promptly tallied 1300+ yds and 10 tds while toting the rock 20 times a game. Turner also oversaw some of Stephen Davis' banner years, not to mention Ricky Williams' most productive season. And yet, no WR has really had great success finding the end zone often under him. even when Turner has had who-dat backs (Charles White, Greg Bell, Cleveland Gary (if you want to include the Rams), creaky-kneed Terry Allen, Stephen Davis), they HAVE churned out tds and yards. Even a talent like Ricky Williams - due to numerous circumstances, he managed about 3100 rushing yds and 16 rushing tds in 3 seasons with NO; in TWO years under Turner in Miami, he got 3200 yds and 25 rushing tds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 In other words, Gates' and Rivers' production should come in roughly around where they were this year but I wouldn't hold my breath on an increase; the Chargers' scrub WRs will have little-to-no-worth, and LT will keep on truckin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 In other words, Gates' and Rivers' production should come in roughly around where they were this year but I wouldn't hold my breath on an increase; the Chargers' scrub WRs will have little-to-no-worth, and LT will keep on truckin'. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) Hoping the report is wrong. Or I wake up in 10 minutes and figure it's just a nightmare. Edited February 20, 2007 by Riffraff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 In other words, Gates' and Rivers' production should come in roughly around where they were this year but I wouldn't hold my breath on an increase; the Chargers' scrub WRs will have little-to-no-worth, and LT will keep on truckin'. Oh, and the Chargers go from 14-2 to about 10-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Rivera signed on as linebackers coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 AJ lookin' like a genius to me I couldn't be happier! I thought Rex Ryan was my guy, but as I think about it, this makes the most sense! Offense will be as good if not better. Defense should be the same and maybe better with Rivera's input! Train someone in the offense, Rivera gets familiar with the intricacies of the 3-4 and Marty takes his one=and-done gig to the next team that has to learn how to play at this level. Marty is a good teacher, but I still insist, does not win a teams psyche to the level needed to get to the next level. Hired TWO of the best out there on their side of the ball and a young up and coming Coach to take this thing over in a year or two? We'll see!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Wonder how Norv did as HC at WAS ... or OAK ... Wonder why anybody thinks he will do any better in SD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) And in a stunning move that will certainly bolster the impact of this transition, the Chargers hired Ron Rivera as linebackers coach... Rivera was the Chicago Bears' defensive coordinator the past three years and interviewed last week for the head coaching job with the Chargers. He agreed to a two-year contract Monday night... I am suddenly VERY much looking forward to next year! Can't wait! Edited February 20, 2007 by McBoog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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