MikesVikes Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Vikings cut him. link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Does the Tarvaris era officially begin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Maybe the Bucs will pass on Garcia and pick up Johnson......again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Does the Tarvaris era officially begin? If I am Minne and have the talent they do I would not go into the season with Jackson as my QB. I think Garcia fits what Minne needs more than any other QB that will be out there this offseason and if I am the Minne people I try to ink him. of course that is if he(Garcia) is not trying to get overpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Buh-bye. Let the Action Jackson era begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 If I am Minne and have the talent they do I would not go into the season with Jackson as my QB. I think Garcia fits what Minne needs more than any other QB that will be out there this offseason and if I am the Minne people I try to ink him. of course that is if he(Garcia) is not trying to get overpaid. Time has shown how much better Garcia is at the west coast offense than any other. He is as accurate as you can get in the short passing game. He is not good at throwing the deep ball, which is where the Minnesota receivers figure to excel. I think he is a bad fit here. I don't think Jackson is the answer either, but I think you gotta give him a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Time has shown how much better Garcia is at the west coast offense than any other. He is as accurate as you can get in the short passing game. He is not good at throwing the deep ball, which is where the Minnesota receivers figure to excel. I think he is a bad fit here. I don't think Jackson is the answer either, but I think you gotta give him a shot. The coach is dead set on a WCO though. I think Minny are going to have a godawful season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 The coach is dead set on a WCO though. I think Minny are going to have a godawful season. In that case, Garcia is their best option available. Maybe he has already agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Time has shown how much better Garcia is at the west coast offense than any other. He is as accurate as you can get in the short passing game. He is not good at throwing the deep ball, which is where the Minnesota receivers figure to excel. I think he is a bad fit here. I don't think Jackson is the answer either, but I think you gotta give him a shot. No, the Minnesota receivers don't excel in the deep ball game. Williamson for example is not a deep threat (big misconception) but was much more successful in college as a YAC receiver. Childress offense does not go deep very often. Hell, he doesn't throw it past the first down marker very often. I sure hope that changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcd480 Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 No, the Minnesota receivers don't excel in the deep ball game. Williamson for example is not a deep threat (big misconception) but was much more successful in college as a YAC receiver. Childress offense does not go deep very often. Hell, he doesn't throw it past the first down marker very often. I sure hope that changes. well said, the wr that are currently on the roster (and hopefully won't be after tomorrow) weren't deep threats, in fact they weren't any sort of threat. The only player that is even in the slightest bit decent is Travis Taylor, however, he is only slightly decent as a 2nd or 3rd wr. Robinson was cut long ago, as Childress put him in his doghouse despite fair production in the games he suited for. For some reason high hopes surround McMullen but he likely won't ever amount to anything beyond a 3rd-5th wr. Bethyl Johnson, as noted above won't be around, but he isn't much more than a return man and 3-4th wr. And do i even have to mention the trainwreck of a travesty of a butt flower that Williamson turned out to be. I would like to see a complete overhaul of the position. The problem is that there isn't really anyone out there in free agency that will be any better. Stallworthless will demand a big payday for his 3 good games last season, but will ultimately spend far more time nursing boo-boos than producing. Bennett, is functionally the same as Taylor and spends almost as much time injured as Stallworth. And Kevin Kurtis looks to be the second coming of Az Hakim. All in all it makes things look a little bleak for Tavaris, which makes me a sad panda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 One factor that has to be considered is that Childress comes from Philly where they had Donovan McNabb. The Eagles spent the 2nd overall pick in the 1999 NFL draft (right behind Tim Ouch) and he has made a tremendous difference for the Eagles. Jackson was the fifth QB drafted last year and went with their second round pick on a player that was considered most likely to go in the 5th or 6th round. It was a pick that surprised most everyone and some likened him to Quincy Carter - a big reach in the draft and well before what was needed to acquire him. The most success Childress ever had was with a very highly rated and drafted QB - not a project that most people thought was a major reach. From the MIN Star Tribune: Quarterback situation: Childress said he visited with Tarvaris Jackson when the Vikings coach was at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. The subject of the Vikings potentially drafting Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn was raised. "He's game," Childress said of the potential competition. "The one thing you know about those guys is they compete for a living, and I don't think you ever want guys that are going to turn it down. ... Guys that are good players, usually the best players, are guys that compete in whatever it is. Whether you are pitching pennies or trying to get the starting job." Childress made it clear he is not unhappy with Jackson, who started the final two games of last season, and reiterated that as of now he will compete with Brooks Bollinger for the starting job. Childress all but dismissed the idea of signing a veteran quarterback in free agency. "I'm not particularly casting my gaze that way," he said. "We've got two guys that I'm happy with where they are at and the possibility there is another guy in the mix draftwise." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 One factor that has to be considered is that Childress comes from Philly where they had Donovan McNabb. The Eagles spent the 2nd overall pick in the 1999 NFL draft (right behind Tim Ouch) and he has made a tremendous difference for the Eagles. Jackson was the fifth QB drafted last year and went with their second round pick on a player that was considered most likely to go in the 5th or 6th round. It was a pick that surprised most everyone and some likened him to Quincy Carter - a big reach in the draft and well before what was needed to acquire him. aka the Bill Polian strategy. Speaking of Colts, I'd give Johnson a look for vet min as backup QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Looking at Shaub Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Maybe the Bucs will pass on Garcia and pick up Aaron Brooks. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 They need some kind of Veteran QB besides Bollinger IMO. But Childress might just be stubborn enough (and believe in his own supposed genius enough) to forego common sense and begin the season with Bollinger, Jackson, and Quinn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) One factor that has to be considered is that Childress comes from Philly where they had Donovan McNabb. The Eagles spent the 2nd overall pick in the 1999 NFL draft (right behind Tim Ouch) and he has made a tremendous difference for the Eagles. Jackson was the fifth QB drafted last year and went with their second round pick on a player that was considered most likely to go in the 5th or 6th round. It was a pick that surprised most everyone and some likened him to Quincy Carter - a big reach in the draft and well before what was needed to acquire him. The most success Childress ever had was with a very highly rated and drafted QB - not a project that most people thought was a major reach. From the MIN Star Tribune: These comments from a suddenly chatty Childress come after initially saying the Vikings will take anyone in the draft with their first pick except QB. I think our genius coach finally realized that with Quinn slipping you can't tell other teams you have no interest in him because you lose potential trade value. If he really WAS that interested in Quinn he wouldn't be talking about him. There was no talk about Jackson last year. UNLESS, Brad is even a bigger genius and wants you to think that he has no interest by talking about him and is targeting him all along. In the end I want a difference maker on offense in the first round (Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, or Brady Quinn) but the pick will probably be a DE like Gaines Adams. Edited March 1, 2007 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 These comments from a suddenly chatty Childress come after initially saying the Vikings will take anyone in the draft with their first pick except QB. I think our genius coach finally realized that with Quinn slipping you can't tell other teams you have no interest in him because you lose potential trade value. If he really WAS that interested in Quinn he wouldn't be talking about him. There was no talk about Jackson last year. UNLESS, Brad is even a bigger genius and wants you to think that he has no interest by talking about him and is targeting him all along. In the end I want a difference maker on offense in the first round (Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, or Brady Quinn) but the pick will probably be a DE like Gaines Adams. 10 yard penalty for having "Childress" and "genius" in the same post. The only legal word allowed for use with "Childress" is "idiot". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 10 yard penalty for having "Childress" and "genius" in the same post. The only legal word allowed for use with "Childress" is "idiot". Get your sarcasm detector fixed Ursa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Get your sarcasm detector fixed Ursa. Sarcasm detector working fine. After review, penalty stands as called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeductiveNun Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 10 yard penalty for having "Childress" and "genius" in the same post. The only legal word allowed for use with "Childress" is "idiot". Actually, in the sub-rules, using "Childress" and "genius" in the same post are allowed, as long as the genius portion is directly referring to Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter who we draft, who plays QB, and who we have at WR next year. If this kick ass offensive play calling doesn't change, they are going to stink on ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Troy Williamson is not a YAC guy, nor was he in college. He was a go out and get it kinda guy. I think the misconception that he is not a deep guy comes from never having an NFL QB that could hit him deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Troy Williamson is not a YAC guy, nor was he in college. He was a go out and get it kinda guy. I think the misconception that he is not a deep guy comes from never having an NFL QB that could hit him deep. You may be right. For some reason I thought i've heard others refer to him as a YAC guy when comparing to Randy Moss and that he was not a deep guy that goes and gets it like Randy. That perception of him I had is also from watching the highlight films when he was drafted that seemed to show alot of slants where he caught the ball on the move and took it down the field quite well. None of this really matters anyways if he doesn't learn how to concentrate and catch the ball with his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 You may be right. For some reason I thought i've heard others refer to him as a YAC guy when comparing to Randy Moss and that he was not a deep guy that goes and gets it like Randy. That perception of him I had is also from watching the highlight films when he was drafted that seemed to show alot of slants where he caught the ball on the move and took it down the field quite well. None of this really matters anyways if he doesn't learn how to concentrate and catch the ball with his hands. lol this is true. it kind of seems with him that there is something more to his story. i didn't get a chance to watch the vikings much but it seems like he goes through long stretches where he doesn't get open. I haven't had a chance to see if it is because he can't get off the ball, or his route running, or maybe he just doesn't work hard enough to get open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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