Popeye Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 (edited) just reported on NFL network that Plummer will retire instead of going to the Bucs. NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that Jake Plummer has decided to retire in lieu of being traded to the Bucs. Maybe Mike Shanahan should have treated him better. Denver now loses the fourth-round pick they would have picked up. Plummer never seemed like someone who "needed" football, but he's only 33 and could always re-consider in the future. Chris Simms can breathe a little easier. While the Bucs will find a veteran quarterback, he's unlikely to be as good as Plummer. Edited March 2, 2007 by Popeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 just reported on NFL network that Plummer will retire instead of going to the Bucs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 how long is he prevented from signing with another team as a free agent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REZ Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Is that his version of a no trade clause? Maybe he thinks Denver will eventually cut him and he can sign as a free agent somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Oh come on, we're not that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 how long is he prevented from signing with another team as a free agent? 1 full year I believe from date of said retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Oh come on, we're not that bad. trust me, it's a blessing. You're better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 1 full year I believe from date of said retirement. Unless he's still under contract with Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 trust me, it's a blessing. You're better off. Than Simms? I'm no Plummer fan, but c'mon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Unless he's still under contract with Denver. And he will be until after 2008. Jake didn't want to get traded to a team where they wouldn't make him a starter outright... and Gruden was saying he'd compete with Simms. SERIOUSLY????? Jake, you don't have confidence that you can beat out a spleenless Chris Simms on a team that actively traded for you, yet you feel like you should be given a starting job?? Goodbye, dumbass. I miss you already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Than Simms? I'm no Plummer fan, but c'mon... If Shanahan had to dumb-down Denver's offense for Plummer, Jake won't work in Gruden's more complex offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 (edited) Than Simms? I'm no Plummer fan, but c'mon... That's exactly what I'm saying. I'd rather go with Simms than Plummer. Plummer is ass. The only worse QB in the league is Aaron Brooks. I would rather go into the season with Jim Sorgi as my starting QB. At least you have the slightest possibility he could be good. You know what you've got with Plummer. A dumbass who makes dumbass throws. Edited March 2, 2007 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skrappy1 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 You know what you've got with Plummer. A dumbass who makes dumbass throws. I'll never forget when he was on the football preview edition cover of ESPN's The Magazine several years back. We all should have foreseen the decline of ESPN coming right then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 That's exactly what I'm saying. I'd rather go with Simms than Plummer. Plummer is ass. The only worse QB in the league is Aaron Brooks. You're getting perilously close to idiocy. Again, I'm no Plummer fan, but to say he can't start anymore in the NFL and that guys like Sorgi & Simms are better options at QB is utter knee-jerk ignorance. Geez, you can make a case that Plummer is a mediocre QB without making a fool out of yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 This all smacks of sour grapes on the part of Plummer. Schefter said he just got a bonus payment that he would have to pay back (a la Barry Sanders) if he indeed retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skrappy1 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 (edited) You're getting perilously close to idiocy. Again, I'm no Plummer fan, but to say he can't start anymore in the NFL and that guys like Sorgi & Simms are better options at QB is utter knee-jerk ignorance. Geez, you can make a case that Plummer is a mediocre QB without making a fool out of yourself. Oh, I don't know about all that. I don't really have an opinion on Simms, I haven't seen him play much, but Plummer makes horrible decisions. He always has, always will. He's awful, period. After 143 games in the NFL, he has a 74.6 QB rating, including a stellar 68.8 last season. As a veteran who had a moderate amount of talent around him. After 19 games, Simms has a 71.2 QB rating. Last season, he was atrocious, but in all fairness it was only a 3 game sample, and he showed some promise in 2005. Again, this isn't about Simms being good though. It's about Plummer being bad. And the notion that Simms might still get better than Plummer has ever been certainly isn't all that ludicrous. It really wouldn't take much for it to happen. Edited March 2, 2007 by Skrappy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 This all smacks of sour grapes on the part of Plummer. Schefter said he just got a bonus payment that he would have to pay back (a la Barry Sanders) if he indeed retires. PFT is saying that this might be a ploy to force a trade to houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Plummer should consider doing porn, he already has the perfect mustache. http://www.nbcsports.com/nfl_players/1676/detail.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Oh, I don't know about all that. I don't really have an opinion on Simms, I haven't seen him play much, but Plummer makes horrible decisions. He always has, always will. He's awful, period. After 143 games in the NFL, he has a 74.6 QB rating, including a stellar 68.8 last season. As a veteran who had a moderate amount of talent around him. After 19 games, Simms has a 71.2 QB rating. Last season, he was atrocious, but in all fairness it was only a 3 game sample, and he showed some promise in 2005. Again, this isn't about Simms being good though. It's about Plummer being bad. And the notion that Simms might still get better than Plummer has ever been certainly isn't all that ludicrous. It really wouldn't take much for it to happen. Over the past 4 years, Plummer is 10th in the NFL in passing yards, 11th in the NFL in passing TDs, & 11th in the NFL in yards per attempt for QBs with at least 200 pass attempts. That's despite DEN being 26th, 16th, 25th, and 27th in the league in pass attempts over those 4 years. Please don't tell me that he can't play the position. I agree that he's frustrating to watch and that he makes some bad mistakes - he's 14th worst over that same time period in INTs - but the guy can beat out at least 1/3rd of the starting QBs in the NFL right now, and that's being conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 (edited) You're getting perilously close to idiocy. Again, I'm no Plummer fan, but to say he can't start anymore in the NFL and that guys like Sorgi & Simms are better options at QB is utter knee-jerk ignorance. Geez, you can make a case that Plummer is a mediocre QB without making a fool out of yourself. I said the same thing about Aaron Brooks last year. How'd that go for the Raiders? Plummer is a known quantity at this point. A mediocre (at best) QB, that when surrounded by talent, can be good enough to wait until the end of the game to completely screw it up. He makes bad decisions, and costly interceptions, as a veteran QB. That's not going to change now. With Simms, you have a young QB with potential. Potential > ass. I think it's a no-brainer. Edited March 2, 2007 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Reports from Denver radio state that Tampa Bay talking directly with Plummer trying to persuade him out of retiring and to complete the deal with Denver. Apparently Gruden knows a bit more about the NFL than Cap'n Hook... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyr0802 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I read that Plummer could be trying to force Denver into releasing him as he would prefer to play for Kubiak rather than going to Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Plummer was decent in his first three years in Denver. Denver's secondary getting picked apart by the Colts and Steelers in the playoffs was more of a problem than Plummer. That said, he was just flat-out awful this past season. Unless he was playing through an injury or something, I don't see why Gruden would want Jake. Gruden's offense is complex and Plummer's brain isn't exactly a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Plummer was decent in his first three years in Denver. Denver's secondary getting picked apart by the Colts and Steelers in the playoffs was more of a problem than Plummer. That said, he was just flat-out awful this past season. Unless he was playing through an injury or something, I don't see why Gruden would want Jake. Gruden's offense is complex and Plummer's brain isn't exactly a good fit. I dont get it either. However, Gruden has a love affair with mobile QB's. Maybe that has something to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I dont get it either. However, Gruden has a love affair with mobile QB's. Maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe. Then again, Randall Cunningham was a complete bust in his offensive system in Philly. You think that he would've learned from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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