muck Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 DH ... I also believe that the Ford family overrules Millen on draft day a ton ... which is one reason I think he's been given so much additional time. I'm not saying Millen is a great GM, but if he's been overruled on a few of the first round picks he wanted to make and the guys that DET took (due to the Ford family veto) washed out and the guys that Millen wanted did well, it's easy to see why Millen is still there. :twocents: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 (edited) DH ... I also believe that the Ford family overrules Millen on draft day a ton ... which is one reason I think he's been given so much additional time. I'm not saying Millen is a great GM, but if he's been overruled on a few of the first round picks he wanted to make and the guys that DET took (due to the Ford family veto) washed out and the guys that Millen wanted did well, it's easy to see why Millen is still there. :twocents: I agree Muck. All of our disorganization starts at the top with the owner. they make it impossible to evaluate any members of our team..playerwise or managerial wise. This topic of offensive players campaigning for a draft pick reminds of how Barry Sanders and Herman Moore used to run to the owner complaining when we hired the only good coach in my time(Bobby Ross) and Ross changed our game plan to a defensive team 1st. the offensive players went to the owner and the owner sided with them. I get the feeling our owners have no idea what defense or a offensive line means . and that IMO is what is wrong with our whole organization. Edited March 23, 2007 by Doc Holliday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Really? And what exactly had Warner accomplished as a pro QB prior to taking over when Green got hurt? I'd say Kitna has a hell of a lot better resume than Warner had when he took over the STL O. ? And that's all relevant because.......... Who cares about Warner's resume before his run w/the Rams? You're the one saying DET could become "Turf II." I'm not saying Kitna is going to go on a 3 year tear without comparison in NFL history like Warner did "This could easily morph into the Greatest Show on Turf II" sure sounded like it. but I'm also saying don't underestimate Martz when he gets the proper O pieces as he sees them in place in his O scheme.I doubt Kitna is one of those "proper pieces," at least for any kind of seriously high-powered offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 I doubt Kitna is one of those "proper pieces," at least for any kind of seriously high-powered offense. I don't see why Kitna could not have a big year. he is a fine QB. and IMO is 1 of the "proper pieces". Our problems come on the defensive side of the ball and the offensive line. of course everyone loves to blame the QB for all of a teams faults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 I don't see why Kitna could not have a big year. he is a fine QB. and IMO is 1 of the "proper pieces". Our problems come on the defensive side of the ball and the offensive line. of course everyone loves to blame the QB for all of a teams faults. It is unfair to blame a guy who leads the league in turnovers and all but disappears in crucial situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 It is unfair to blame a guy who leads the league in turnovers and all but disappears in crucial situations. When you are forced to throw from behind and behind a horrible passblocking team those things happen. I am not saying Kitna is the leagues best or anything. but he has the respect of his team and is a servicable QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 When you are forced to throw from behind and behind a horrible passblocking team those things happen. But Kitna isn't throwing from behind. Its not as if the passblocking is any different in the fourth quarter than it is in the first 3. He chokes in the fourth quarter. You want a guy to put up some good numbers between the 20's in the first three quarters? Kitna's your man. You need a guy to lead you to a tough win? Forget about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 What does Furrey have to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gros Membres! Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 What does Furrey have to do? Exactly. I also have a hard time beliveing that all of their OL is completely inadequate. New scheme? Perhaps. Unprofessional professional football players? Errr... It may take trading down to address a new scheme with left-overs, imho. I could see the trade down. Though CJ would make this offense sick for years to come. They would not have to pay him HUGH bucks for a couple of years while they attract a few FA OL, sign a nice one next year (they will be at least mediocre again), and then mine the talent they have. I still like CJ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 But Kitna isn't throwing from behind. Its not as if the passblocking is any different in the fourth quarter than it is in the first 3. He chokes in the fourth quarter. You want a guy to put up some good numbers between the 20's in the first three quarters? Kitna's your man. You need a guy to lead you to a tough win? Forget about it. He is not only throwing from behind with a bad line but with consistant blitzers right in his face. when I see a team that loses alot of close games like our Lions did last year by belief is it comes down to coaching , not the QB.IMO Martz is to aggressive in the 4th quarter with his passing game. and more than once and for more than 1 team that has shown up in the 4th quarter. Like I said though..I am not saying Kitna is the leagues best. but he is good for the money and is far from being 1 of the teams major problems. matter of fact..he is about 1 of only a handfull of Lions who not only has his teams respect but respect from around the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 He is not only throwing from behind with a bad line but with consistant blitzers right in his face. when I see a team that loses alot of close games like our Lions did last year by belief is it comes down to coaching , not the QB.IMO Martz is to aggressive in the 4th quarter with his passing game. and more than once and for more than 1 team that has shown up in the 4th quarter. The Lions lost four games last year when they had the lead going into the fourth quarter. Kitna is not much more than a journeyman QB. He is a turnover machine who can't make plays, or makes bonehead plays, when it counts. Blame the line or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The Lions lost four games last year when they had the lead going into the fourth quarter. Kitna is not much more than a journeyman QB. He is a turnover machine who can't make plays, or makes bonehead plays, when it counts. This may all be true. But don't be surprised if Kitna is the top fantasy QB this season anyway. That's right. I said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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