Bronco Billy Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 People forget Henry was let go because of a $8.3 million roster bonus. No team would have kept him for that coin. The Titans didn't release him because they wanted to. They had to. It wasn't a stupid move, it was the only move. Renegotiations happen all the time in the NFL. TEN could have rolled the $8.3M into a signing bonus on an extended contract, saving them substantially by spreading the hit across a few years while giving him more money up front than what his roster bonus would have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 (edited) at BroncoBilly acting like Henry is a major steal. . . 5 year contract with $12 million in guarantees? I wouldn't pay Henry that. . . We'll bring this back up again later this year. Henry put up 1300+ and 1400+ yd rushing seasons with BUF & their line, and put up 1200+ rushing yds last season in a shortened season. You apparently think guys like that are just wandering the streets hoping that a NFL team notices them & gives them a call. Now Henry gets to take his proven skill set into the state-of-the-art rushing attack in the NFL. If DEN could turn Mike Anderson & Rueben Droughns into legit NFL RBs & vaulable FF pieces, what do you think might happen with a guy like Henry? I'm with you on this: Henry's next suspension is for how many games? You do know that Henry is about to come off the league's substance abuse program because he has tested clean for so long, don't you? We'll see who gets the last laugh.... BTW, apologies for the hi-jack, but this just had to be rebutted. Edited April 3, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 You do know that Henry is about to come off the league's substance abuse program because he has tested clean for so long, don't you? We'll see who gets the last laugh.... Actually, no I did not. But again, given his past I don't see it as incompetence that the Titans chose to let him walk. If he clears the programs but relapses are the punishments back to a first strike, or do they jump up? He'll certainly have a great year at Denver as long as he stays healthy - (and I remember him p[laying with a broken leg in Buf, so there's no question about his deesire to play) I don't have an issue with that. But I don't think it's rank incompetence that led the Titans to let him walk either. They either didn't want to pay the bonus and/or there's something else we're unaware of. Despite Bud Adams being a schnook, they don't have a track record like Houston or Washington on things like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Actually, no I did not. But again, given his past I don't see it as incompetence that the Titans chose to let him walk. If he clears the programs but relapses are the punishments back to a first strike, or do they jump up? He'll certainly have a great year at Denver as long as he stays healthy - (and I remember him p[laying with a broken leg in Buf, so there's no question about his deesire to play) I don't have an issue with that. But I don't think it's rank incompetence that led the Titans to let him walk either. They either didn't want to pay the bonus and/or there's something else we're unaware of. Despite Bud Adams being a schnook, they don't have a track record like Houston or Washington on things like this. I started a Travis Henry thread so that we can get this thread back on track as far as discussion of Turner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 You do know that Henry is about to come off the league's substance abuse program because he has tested clean for so long, don't you? I believe this is wrong. If you have something that states otherwise, list the link to it. After having Jamal Lewis on my beloved Ravens for so long, I did a lot of reading on this. If you have one strike, you go into the program with zero notification. The second strike is mandatory 4 games. This is where Henry is I believe as he did serve a suspension, correct? Now, the third strike is the part I believe you are confused about. If the third strike happens within a year, a mandatory 1 year suspension kicks in. Otherwise, a third strike results in a mandatory 6 month suspension. I do not believe you can ever 'behave' yourself out of the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I believe this is wrong. If you have something that states otherwise, list the link to it. After having Jamal Lewis on my beloved Ravens for so long, I did a lot of reading on this. If you have one strike, you go into the program with zero notification. The second strike is mandatory 4 games. This is where Henry is I believe as he did serve a suspension, correct? Now, the third strike is the part I believe you are confused about. If the third strike happens within a year, a mandatory 1 year suspension kicks in. Otherwise, a third strike results in a mandatory 6 month suspension. I do not believe you can ever 'behave' yourself out of the program. From the CBA: 2. Stage Two. a. Procedures. (1) Advancement: A player will advance from Stage One to Stage Two after notification by the Medical Director or expiration of the Stage One time limitations. (2) Compliance with Treatment Plan: A player in Stage Two must comply with the terms of his Treatment Plan, if one is developed, in Stage One and as may be amended in Stage Two. (3) Testing: All players in Stage Two will be subject to unannounced Testing. At the sole discretion of the Medical Advisor, a player may or may not be tested; however, if he is tested, he may not be tested more than 10 times during any calendar month. Such Testing shall include Testing for the NFL Drug Panel and alcohol, but in addition Tests for other substances of abuse will be conducted if the player’s Treatment Plan requires abstention from and enumerates testing for such substances. (4) Evaluation: A player, while undergoing Stage Two Testing, may be required to submit to further evaluation and subsequent treatment at the discretion of the Medical Director. b. Discipline. (1) Discipline for First Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player in Stage Two who fails to comply with his Treatment Plan or fails to cooperate with testing, treatment, evaluation or other requirements imposed on him by this Policy, both as determined by the Medical Director, or has a Positive Test will be subject to: (a) A fine of four-seventeenths (4/17) of the amount in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract if the player has successfully completed Stage One; and ( A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular season and post-season (including Pro Bowl, if selected) games without pay if he did not successfully complete Stage One. (2) Discipline for Second Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player who has two Positive Tests in Stage Two; or fails twice, as determined by the Medical Director, to comply with his Treatment Plan in Stage Two; or has a Positive Test and fails to comply with his Treatment Plan, as determined by the Medical Director; or fails to cooperate with testing, treatment, evaluation or other requirements imposed on him by this Policy, as determined by the Medical Director, will incur: (a) A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was fined pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(a) above; and ( A suspension for the period of time to cover six consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was suspended pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)( above. c. Duration: A player will remain in Stage Two for twenty-four months or two full seasons, whichever is shorter, beginning from the later of either the date of entry into Stage Two; or after entering Stage Two, the date upon which a player fails to comply with the Treatment Plan or fails to cooperate with testing, treatment, evaluation or other requirements imposed on him by this Policy, both as determined by the Medical Director or has a Positive Test. Notwithstanding the foregoing, without any notice a player will be automatically and immediately advanced to Stage Three if while in Stage Two he has any of the following: (1) two Positive Tests; or (2) two instances in which he fails to cooperate with testing, treatment, evaluation or other requirements imposed on him by this Policy or to comply with his Treatment Plan; or (3) one Positive Test and one instance of a failure to comply with his Treatment Plan or cooperate with testing, treatment, evaluation or other requirements imposed on him by this Policy while in Stage Two. d. Completion of Stage Two: A player who completes Stage Two without being advanced to Stage Three will be afforded the same status as a player who had never by Behavior or a Positive Test been referred to the Intervention Stages. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Medical Director and the Medical Advisor may agree to extend the period of Stage Two for any player; provided, however, before extending the period of time in Stage Two, the Medical Director shall meet with the player (who shall attend either in person or by telephone at the option of the player), along with the Medical Advisor (who shall attend either in person or by telephone at the option of the Medical Advisor), at least 30 days before the expiration of the player’s two year period in Stage Two (unless the justification for the extension occurs less than 30 days prior to the expiration of the normal term). The purpose of this meeting is to inform the player that his term in Stage Two is going to be extended and establish a time (no later than every six months after the normal expiration date) when the Medical Director and the Medical Advisor will confer with the player to review his situation. At each conference, the player shall be informed what is expected of the player during each extension period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Well, that's good to know. It's either new, or I never thought Jamal would make it two years. I guess he is free and clear also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Anyone in Titansland know if anything came out of the Turner visit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 Anyone in Titansland know if anything came out of the Turner visit? All parties seem to be talking/negotiating. Dillon is not a good fit for the Titans (IMO) as he does not address the long term needs. The Titans seem to be serious about getting a core of players to build on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 All parties seem to be talking/negotiating. Dillon is not a good fit for the Titans (IMO) as he does not address the long term needs. The Titans seem to be serious about getting a core of players to build on now. That's true and a very good point. Signing Dillon would be a lot cheaper for TEN than trying to trade for & then extend Turner - and again, Dillon is a proven starter in the NFL, which Turner is not (and I think Turner will be successful as a featured RB, BTW, but we just don't know yet). Signing Dillon would also give TEN the luxury of seeing if White can actually play & be a featured RB without a long commitment to another RB - and if White is a bust they can always get into the bidding wars for Turner next season, or wait for a rookie RB next year, and next year's RB crop looks to be very deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 That's true and a very good point. Signing Dillon would be a lot cheaper for TEN than trying to trade for & then extend Turner - and again, Dillon is a proven starter in the NFL, which Turner is not (and I think Turner will be successful as a featured RB, BTW, but we just don't know yet). Signing Dillon would also give TEN the luxury of seeing if White can actually play & be a featured RB without a long commitment to another RB - and if White is a bust they can always get into the bidding wars for Turner next season, or wait for a rookie RB next year, and next year's RB crop looks to be very deep. Yes, but a bird in the had... I have heard that if Turner was available in this draft with all of the "knowns" about him that he would grade as a first round selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Yes, but a bird in the had... I have heard that if Turner was available in this draft with all of the "knowns" about him that he would grade as a first round selection. That's probably pretty acurate. I'd see him as no worse than the 3rd RB off the board in this year's class - arguably the 2nd best. Comparison with next year's class might be a bit different, though, and might find him a few slots lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowdog Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Turner's Visit With Bills Postponed Chargers' RB Turner postpones visit to Bills By Mark Gaughan - News Sports Reporter Updated: 04/04/07 4:11 PM The Buffalo Bills were scheduled to entertain free-agent running back Michael Turner of the San Diego Chargers today at One Bills Drive. However, Turner encountered airline travel problems and was forced to postpone his visit to Buffalo. Turner, the backup to All Pro LaDainian Tomlinson, is a restricted free agent, and the Chargers are entertaining trade offers for him. While the Bills are scouting Turner, no signing or trade deal is considered imminent. The Bills continue to investigate all options for filling their needs leading up to the NFL Draft on April 28. Turner is expected to reschedule his trip to Buffalo sometime in the next week or so, but the exact date was not known. Turner, 25, visited Tennessee on Monday. Because Turner is a restricted free agent, any team signing him to a contract would have to give the Chargers a first- and third-round draft pick this year as compensation. No team is likely to make that deal. However, the Chargers could accept less than that in a trade. The other requirement of a trade with the Chargers is a team would want to reach a long-term contract agreement with Turner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 It's still interesting that the Packers have yet to be mentioned at all, especially considering Favre and Turner have the same agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 It's still interesting that the Packers have yet to be mentioned at all, especially considering Favre and Turner have the same agent. Packers are not pursuing Turner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Just keeping y'alls updated Michael Turner must have made a good impression on the Tennessee Titans. One day after the Chargers' backup running back visited the team and underwent a physical, the Titans yesterday said they talked with his agent and the Chargers about what it might cost to obtain him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 The last report I read was that the Bills had sent a private plane to pick up Michael Turner for a visit... Anyone know how that visit went? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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