Bill Swerski Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 :ahem: Reggie White, anybody? Possibly the best FA signing in the history of FA was made in the FIRST year. I think that Nick was also alluding to the salary cap, which wasn't a factor right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 You know, I keep forgetting that Bledsoe DOES have a SB ring, even if her wasn't the QB that played the game. I still think he gets in during his last couple of years of eligibility. By then most people will have forgotten that he just wasn't cut from the same cloth as the Montanas of this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 You know, I keep forgetting that Bledsoe DOES have a SB ring, even if her wasn't the QB that played the game. I think that's going to hurt him more than help him. Fair or not, Bledose's legacy is going to be losing his job to an inexperienced Tom Brady, watching Brady win a Super Bowl from the sidelines, and then getting cut and watching Brady win two more Super Bowls from his livingroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 I think that Nick was also alluding to the salary cap, which wasn't a factor right away. That was why on my first post I mentioned pre salary cap era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 I think that's going to hurt him more than help him. Fair or not, Bledose's legacy is going to be losing his job to an inexperienced Tom Brady, watching Brady win a Super Bowl from the sidelines, and then getting cut and watching Brady win two more Super Bowls from his livingroom. Unless you take into account that he won the AFC championship game at Pittsburgh that year he may not have been the QB for the SB, but he did play an important part in the championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xMRogers Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Pros for him getting in : stats and 5 yr wait period (where instead of just thinking last few years, people will view whole career) Cons: lack of "leadership" and honestly just the "Drew Bledsoe" and "HOF" lack of even seeming feasible But do think he squeaks in - if he doesn't, he's the Art Monk of QB's...(and that's why I think he does - was better at his position for a decent amount of time then Monk was at his) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Unless you take into account that he won the AFC championship game at Pittsburgh that year he may not have been the QB for the SB, but he did play an important part in the championship. Of course. IMO, he could've won that SB. But, unfortunately, his legacy is going to be the guy who was a pretty good QB, but couldn't get it done in NE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 I think that's going to hurt him more than help him. Fair or not, Bledose's legacy is going to be losing his job to an inexperienced Tom Brady, watching Brady win a Super Bowl from the sidelines, and then getting cut and watching Brady win two more Super Bowls from his livingroom. And then lost his starting job to an in-experienced 4th year QB, Tony Romo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 I think that Nick was also alluding to the salary cap, which wasn't a factor right away. No, the salcap was only a factor in the SECOND year of free agency. Either way, Bledsoe's first 3 years were about what you'd expect for any young QB - he struggled. By the time he hit his stride, FA was in full effect, and he was at best the 4th or 5th best QB in the league (Favre, S Young, Elway, probably another guy or two). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 No, the salcap was only a factor in the SECOND year of free agency. Either way, Bledsoe's first 3 years were about what you'd expect for any young QB - he struggled. By the time he hit his stride, FA was in full effect, and he was at best the 4th or 5th best QB in the league (Favre, S Young, Elway, probably another guy or two). Agreed, and that's why he won't get into the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 All the rest of the guys were in? Is it his fault that a handful of the all-timers played at the same time he did?? At that point in his career, he was regarded as being on par with just about all those guys. I think we're forgetting how good he really was. He took nothing and turned it into a high powered offense for quite a while. The guy was just good. Ain't no other way to say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 (edited) All the rest of the guys were in? Is it his fault that a handful of the all-timers played at the same time he did?? At that point in his career, he was regarded as being on par with just about all those guys. I think we're forgetting how good he really was. He took nothing and turned it into a high powered offense for quite a while. The guy was just good. Ain't no other way to say it. You are delluded. The great ones come up big when it counts. Bledsoe proved over and over again he could NOT produce when it counted, he crumbled under the pressure. That has NOTHING to do with the quality of the other players in his ERA. When there is a debate about the besting QBs of all time and which QB you'd choose if you could have any ... Bledsoe's name is so far down the list as to be laughable. Can you name 5 current HoF'ers that you would not take instead of Bledsoe? Edited April 14, 2007 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 The guy was just good. Ain't no other way to say it. The Hall of Fame is for the great. Bledsoe was merely good. Read this and try and refute any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 Unless you take into account that he won the AFC championship game at Pittsburgh that year he may not have been the QB for the SB, but he did play an important part in the championship. I was trolling through this thread and when I saw the opinion that Bledsoes ring is really Bradys I was gonna post this..There is some truth to the fact that it being Bradys team when he got his ring might hurt him but he put some sort of stamp on it with that win against Pitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 All the rest of the guys were in? Is it his fault that a handful of the all-timers played at the same time he did?? At that point in his career, he was regarded as being on par with just about all those guys. I think we're forgetting how good he really was. He took nothing and turned it into a high powered offense for quite a while. The guy was just good. Ain't no other way to say it. While Bledsoe was the primary starter, the NE offense's avg rank in pts was 15th, avg rank in yard was 13th. That sounds, well, average, not high powered. During his salad days, the only passing stat that NE's rank was truly impressive in was pass ATTEMPTS - form 94-98, they averaged a #6 pass att ranking. The article godtomsatan posted has the correct conclusion - Bledsoe was a GOOD QB, and a class act, and has nothing in his career to hang his head about. But he is NOT a Hall of Famer. His fault in a handful of all-timers playing at the same time he did is that he didn't elevate himself to truly be included among them, always being a notch below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 (edited) Bledsoe was a GOOD QB, and a class act, and has nothing in his career to hang his head about. But he is NOT a Hall of Famer. His fault in a handful of all-timers playing at the same time he did is that he didn't elevate himself to truly be included among them, always being a notch below. Well-said. I thought that Troy Aikman's induction was a stretch (especially considering that his peers included Young, Marino, Elway, Kelly, Favre). And he was significantly better than Bledsoe. Edited April 14, 2007 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Just looking through the all-time stats here. This guy is in whether anybody here agrees with it or not. Deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Just looking through the all-time stats here. This guy is in whether anybody here agrees with it or not. Deal with it. Umm, ever heard of Art Monk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Just looking through the all-time stats here. This guy is in whether anybody here agrees with it or not. Deal with it. Tell ya what, I'll deal with him getting in WHEN he gets in; and I'd bet serious dollars he won't be in by 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Just looking through the all-time stats here. This guy is in whether anybody here agrees with it or not. Deal with it. Bledsoe is currently 7th all-time in passing yardage. Sixth? Vinny Testaverde. By your logic, Vinny is also a HOF'er too? Dave Krieg is 11th. HOF? Esiason is 12th. HOF? Bledsoe is currently 13th all-time in TD passes. Testaverde is 9th. Dave Krieg is 10th. Esiason 14th. Are they HOF? Just because you have stats doesn't make you HOF. HOF is for greatness. Bledsoe wasn't "great". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Just looking through the all-time stats here. This guy is in whether anybody here agrees with it or not. Deal with it. Can you change your user name so that Huddler's don't associate you with the city of Seattle, the state of Washington, or the numeral 2 and the numeral 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 (edited) Not a HOFer. Are we seriously trying to put every QB who retires into the HOF? Edited April 15, 2007 by WaterMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERLINS Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 You guys are nuts.......................Bledsoe is GREAT!!!! He is an amazing QB. He is great at looking at reads 1 and maybe 2 (screw 3rd and 4th options) only if he has 5 seconds. He is great at holding the ball longer than any other QB and taking that sack. He is great at fumbling the football when taking said sack. He is great at throwing that pick just when the offense gets into scoring position. Yeah he's great. Now how many picks did he throw in his career? Probably close to as many TDs. Playoffs, he probably threw for more. He is so great, I wish he went to my favorite teams rival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xMRogers Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 You know what, I change my mind (not on whether he should be -no way should he be, but there's a lot of guys in that shouldn't be) but on whether he gets in. YOu know what sealed it - something stupid: He only made 4 pro bowls. In this age, a hall of famer should make the probowl AT LEAST half his career, especially at QB where, with injuries, 8 guys usually get to say "I made pro bowl" every year. Pro Bowl obviously isn't even close to being a true judge of talent and skill, but truth of the matter is I thought he'd squeak in due to stats, but just can't see it. I'll also say this - if he does get in, Kurt Warner should get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Tell ya what, I'll deal with him getting in WHEN he gets in; and I'd bet serious dollars he won't be in by 2017. Seahawks21 tried to bet me that Asante Samuel wouldn't be traded (despite the fact that I never claimed that he would), so my guess is that he'd be game for a friendly wager. Because, you know, he's always right about everything, so he doesn't have to worry about losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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