spain Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Jamarcus Russell has a very very strong arm. He is big and athletic. But it takes more than a big arm and fast legs to be a star NFL QB. And I am of the opinion that Russell will never be a star in this league. Out of all of the top 10 picks, I think he has the greatest potential to bust. I am not saying he is Akili Smith or Andre Ware, but I think he will be A LOT closer to those guys than he will be to Peyton Manning. I saw him play a couple times and he played ok, but didnt impress me to the point of thinking that he was the number 1 pick in the draft. I say he will be picked way to high for how his career ends up. Maybe not a total bust, but not the franchise player either. Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I think a team passing on Quinn to take Russell will be making a hugh mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKF Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Leftwich part deux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabuffbills Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Leftwich part deux +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I don't think Russell or Quinn will turn out to be franchise players. I think they will be decent, but, not great, and both will be considered busts when all is said and done. Of course, I didn't think Tom Brady would ever amount to anything either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I think this was discussed pretty well in the draft university thread, but it's well worth revisiting on the main board just before the draft. Russell has tremendous physical tools - he can through the ball a country mile on a line. Like you stated, spain, that doesn't make an NFL QB. Look at the guys with phenominal arms who haven't made it as accomplished passers in the NFL recently: Vick, Boller, George to name a few. QBs have to understand how small the windows are in the NFL - especially compared to college, and how quickly they can close, as well as fundamental game scheming, wide field vision, and checking down to be capable of competing at a high level in the bigs. My greatest concern with Russell is his ability to understand passing windows. He showed in college that he'll force balls into areas where receivers aren't open - but he got away with it because of his arm strength. It wasn't that he'd put balls into places where only his receiver could catch them - Favre used to be a master at that. Favre would throw into double & triple coverage, but he'd put the ball in such good places that he'd get away with it a lot of times (and consequently he'd get INTs when he miscalculated just a little bit). Russell flat out threw balls where he shouldn't have - and he doesn't have the pinpoint accuracy required to do that. At least I haven't seen it yet. That isn't something that a QB just learns - it takes imagination and being able to see how coverage plays out and where D players are coming from, and it takes seeing that in your mind in the split second before you throw the ball. Russell could end up being a phenominal NFL QB - the physical skills are certainly all there. But IMO, there is greater risk of his being a mediocre QB or a complete bust than there are with other players at the top of the draft, and if he's going to be the 1.01 the risk ought to be absolutely minimal or the upside so phenominal that it overshadows the risk completely. I don't see that with Russell. In fact, I think there are at least 2 QBs in this draft who will be better pro QBs even if Russell becomes a solid starter, and there are at least 3 more, including one sleeper, who have a decent chance of being better pro QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I'd say BB covered just about most of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I don't think Russell or Quinn will turn out to be franchise players. I think they will be decent, but, not great, and both will be considered busts when all is said and done. Of course, I didn't think Tom Brady would ever amount to anything either. agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I think this was discussed pretty well in the draft university thread, but it's well worth revisiting on the main board just before the draft. Russell has tremendous physical tools - he can through the ball a country mile on a line. Like you stated, spain, that doesn't make an NFL QB. Look at the guys with phenominal arms who haven't made it as accomplished passers in the NFL recently: Vick, Boller, George to name a few. QBs have to understand how small the windows are in the NFL - especially compared to college, and how quickly they can close, as well as fundamental game scheming, wide field vision, and checking down to be capable of competing at a high level in the bigs. My greatest concern with Russell is his ability to understand passing windows. He showed in college that he'll force balls into areas where receivers aren't open - but he got away with it because of his arm strength. It wasn't that he'd put balls into places where only his receiver could catch them - Favre used to be a master at that. Favre would throw into double & triple coverage, but he'd put the ball in such good places that he'd get away with it a lot of times (and consequently he'd get INTs when he miscalculated just a little bit). Russell flat out threw balls where he shouldn't have - and he doesn't have the pinpoint accuracy required to do that. At least I haven't seen it yet. That isn't something that a QB just learns - it takes imagination and being able to see how coverage plays out and where D players are coming from, and it takes seeing that in your mind in the split second before you throw the ball. Russell could end up being a phenominal NFL QB - the physical skills are certainly all there. But IMO, there is greater risk of his being a mediocre QB or a complete bust than there are with other players at the top of the draft, and if he's going to be the 1.01 the risk ought to be absolutely minimal or the upside so phenominal that it overshadows the risk completely. I don't see that with Russell. In fact, I think there are at least 2 QBs in this draft who will be better pro QBs even if Russell becomes a solid starter, and there are at least 3 more, including one sleeper, who have a decent chance of being better pro QBs. Just curious BB, who are the QB's you like over Russell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperChiefs Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I think this was discussed pretty well in the draft university thread, but it's well worth revisiting on the main board just before the draft. Russell has tremendous physical tools - he can through the ball a country mile on a line. Like you stated, spain, that doesn't make an NFL QB. Look at the guys with phenominal arms who haven't made it as accomplished passers in the NFL recently: Vick, Boller, George to name a few. QBs have to understand how small the windows are in the NFL - especially compared to college, and how quickly they can close, as well as fundamental game scheming, wide field vision, and checking down to be capable of competing at a high level in the bigs. My greatest concern with Russell is his ability to understand passing windows. He showed in college that he'll force balls into areas where receivers aren't open - but he got away with it because of his arm strength. It wasn't that he'd put balls into places where only his receiver could catch them - Favre used to be a master at that. Favre would throw into double & triple coverage, but he'd put the ball in such good places that he'd get away with it a lot of times (and consequently he'd get INTs when he miscalculated just a little bit). Russell flat out threw balls where he shouldn't have - and he doesn't have the pinpoint accuracy required to do that. At least I haven't seen it yet. That isn't something that a QB just learns - it takes imagination and being able to see how coverage plays out and where D players are coming from, and it takes seeing that in your mind in the split second before you throw the ball. Russell could end up being a phenominal NFL QB - the physical skills are certainly all there. But IMO, there is greater risk of his being a mediocre QB or a complete bust than there are with other players at the top of the draft, and if he's going to be the 1.01 the risk ought to be absolutely minimal or the upside so phenominal that it overshadows the risk completely. I don't see that with Russell. In fact, I think there are at least 2 QBs in this draft who will be better pro QBs even if Russell becomes a solid starter, and there are at least 3 more, including one sleeper, who have a decent chance of being better pro QBs. Completely agree with Bronco. So much talk about Russell going to Oakland. Stepping into a situation with a poor offensive line magnifies the issue of not being able to read complex, changing defenses and making quick decisions. Talk about a recipe for disaster. SuperChiefs / John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Completely agree with Bronco. So much talk about Russell going to Oakland. Stepping into a situation with a poor offensive line magnifies the issue of not being able to read complex, changing defenses and making quick decisions. Talk about a recipe for disaster. SuperChiefs / John Which is why I am confident that the Raiders will take him. As a Steeler fan, it is extremely fun to kick the Raiders while they are down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Just curious BB, who are the QB's you like over Russell? I would guess Quinn, Stanton, and Edwards....and not necessarily in that order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKF Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I would guess Quinn, Stanton, and Edwards....and not necessarily in that order. Keep guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 If raiders choose him and their O line can be improved , and randy moss decides to play with some effort ,if curry stays healthy and lamont jordan can com back to form from 2 seasons back , I think russell has a chance to be very good as a rookie and possibly great in the futur years ...he has size and talent which always helps My two cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 So much talk about Russell going to Oakland. Stepping into a situation with a poor offensive line magnifies the issue of not being able to read complex, changing defenses and making quick decisions. Talk about a recipe for disaster. Anybody remember David Klinger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKF Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 If raiders choose him and their O line can be improved , and randy moss decides to play with some effort ,if curry stays healthy and lamont jordan can com back to form from 2 seasons back , I think russell has a chance to be very good as a rookie and possibly great in the futur years ...he has size and talent which always helps My two cents That has got to be the longest compound IF in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Just curious BB, who are the QB's you like over Russell? Quinn & Stanton for sure. I also like Edwards' chances, Beck's chances, & Stanback's chance - who I think someone will positively steal in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I would guess Quinn, Stanton, and Edwards....and not necessarily in that order. I like Stanton, and also think Palko could be worth a late round shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Keep guessing. Quinn & Stanton for sure. I also like Edwards' chances, Beck's chances, & Stanback's chance - who I think someone will positively steal in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Come In Peace Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 (edited) Have any of you actually seen Russell play? The problem with Randy Moss in the past has been that nobody can get him the ball deep. Russell can chunk the ball 80 yards with the flick of the wrist, be extremely accurate doing it and has the legs to elude whoever he wants. Mark this down, Russell will be, by far the best QB in this draft & will be everything everyone hoped Vick would be. Edited April 26, 2007 by I Come In Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Have any of you actually seen Russell play? Nope. I base my opinion strictly using darts & where my cat pees on the sports section each day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabuffbills Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Nope. I base my opinion strictly using darts & where my cat pees on the sports section each day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Come In Peace Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Nope. I base my opinion strictly using darts & where my cat pees on the sports section each day. I'm glad we have someone here who knows so much more than the experts. What would all us ig'nant folks do without you? Will you be my hero and show me the way to true knowledge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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