Post-draft rookie rankings...

[Savage Beatings]

Now that we know who is where, let's see how those rookies rank. C'mon folks it's already been a day... I mean how much time do you need!

[Jackass]

Since my own thread didn't have any juice, i'll post these here.

 

Top QB's

Russell - Oakland ("franchise" qb)

Quinn - Browns (a lot of teams passed on him. is he much better from a fantasy perspective than Stanton or Beck?)

Stanton - Lions (great situation)

Beck - Miami (good situation)

Kolb - Philly (won't have value for a while most likely)

 

Top RB's

Peterson - Minny (tough call b/t him and Lynch)

Lynch - Buffalo (clear cut starter)

Jackson - GB (best situation of 2nd, 3rd round picks)

C Henry - Titans (good situation, questionable experience)

M Bush - Oakland (a gamble, but noone else stands out here)

 

Top Wr's

CJ - Lions ("franchise" player)

Meachem - Saints (great offense)

Gonzales - Indy (Peyton throwing to him)

Ginn - Miami (not sure he'll ever be a #1, but noone else stands out)

Bowe, Davis, Jarrett - all seem about the same to me

[Bronco Billy]

1) C Johnson, WR, DET - Goes to Mad Mikey's O with R Williams also drawing stud WR coverage

 

2) A Peterson, RB, MIN - drops by being in a really, really bad O w/ a very questionable QB. Could lose touches to Taylor also.

 

3) M Lynch, RB, BUF - Starter right off the bat. Neck & neck w/ Peterson in a bad situation & Jackson in a good situation, but has less competition for touches at RB than Jackson & Peterson's sheer talent wins out.

 

4) B Jackson, RB, GB - Great situation and an increasingly dangerous D, but Morency will take some work from him.

 

5) R Meachem, WR, NO - good opportunity w/ NO looking for a legit #2 WR.

 

6) A Gonzales, WR, IND - Figures to be IND's #3 WR with Marvin slowing down also. Might have some decent chances right off the bat.

 

7) B Quinn, QB, CLE - toss up between the top 2 QBs, but Quinn's competition at QB is worse than Russell's and he has J Thomas protecting his blind side.

 

8) J Russell, QB, OAK - He'll get the chance to take the starting job right from the start, but Moss is gone & the O-line still is a sieve. He'll need every ounce of his size to survive.

 

9) D Bowe, WR, KC - Will have a chance to be the #2 WR right off the bat, and a chance to morph into the #1 WR later this season/early next year with Kennsion being the only other legit WR threat.

 

10) D Jarrett, WR, CAR - Figures to be a perfect compliment to S Smith, but KeyJohn stands in the path of his development & right smack in his way. Too damn bad, unless CAR goes 3 wide, in which case mortgage the farm to get hold of RB D Williams.

 

11) C Henry, RB, TEN - I'm not crazy about this guy, but it's all about opportunity here. L White is the only surviving RB in TEN, and he didn't show too much last year. He could end up playing a bit by default.

 

12) J Beck, QB, MIA - Another guy who will have great opportunity in year or two and there isn't much in his way unless Culpepper manages to not only stay on the roster but miraculously rediscovers his health & QB skills.

 

13) K Irons, RB, CIN - talented guy going to a team with a prolific O, and #2 RB Perry always hurt. Rudi's also entering his 7th season and CIN may want to lighten his workload - his ypc wasn't very good last year.

 

14) S Smith, WR, NYG - possession WR going to a spot where they like to throw & are searching for a compliment for Burress. Decent opportunity even though I've got some reservations about him.

 

15) J Hill, WR, SF - The Niners looking for guy to take over the #1 WR spot, Hill is going to get a good opportunity in an up & coming O. Whether he's capable of being a #1 NFL WR is another matter.

 

16) T Ginn Jr, WR, MIA - I dislike him so much as a pro WR, especially in MIA, but I'm willing to admit there might be a chance I'll be wrong so I'll put him here. I'm hoping a few of my league-mates like him a lot more than I do.

 

17) S Rice, WR, MIN - Another guy going to a very questionable O, but he could emerge quickly as the best WR on the roster. The #1 WR on a bad team isn't necessarily a bad thing for FF numbers...

 

18) B Leonard, RB, STL - a must-have handcuff to S Jackson and will probably get some opportunity for some work given how much STL is using their RB now. If Jackson gets dinged, watch out for very good numbers from him.

 

19) P Willis, LB, SF - Starter right off the bat, and pro-ready to wreak mayhem.

 

20) G Olsen, TE, CHI - I'm really struggling with this one. I'm not sure how much CHI will like a TE who dislikes blocking so much, and CHI isn't exactly a plethora of opportunity for TEs recently. The again, he's a very talented receiver on a team not exactly loaded with them.

 

21) D Stanton, QB, DET - Solid pro QB, but has to wait behind Kitna & also has to deal with Orlovsky. If he manages to rise to the top eventually in this O, watch out - he could put up prolific numbers.

 

21) C Davis, WR, SD - SD is looking for a good #2 WR, but unfortunately that the #4 receiving threat on the team. Don't expect big things for at least 2 years.

 

23) L Booker, RB, MIA - The must-have handcuff for R Brown owners, he'll get some 3rd down work right away (much to the dismay of the R Brown owners).

 

24) J Beason, LB, CAR - another stud athletic LB going into a great situation. Ought to be a high impact guy almost immediately.

 

25) JL Higgins, WR, OAK - Al loves speed WRs, and there is a gaping hole at that position in OAK. He'll get an opportunity to touch the ball early on, and while his touches will be limited by how poor the O is, his YAC should be very good.

 

26) Z Miller, TE, OAK - Projects to a very good safety valve that should get him some work.

 

27) T Hunt, RB, PHI - He'll be very limited because of Westbrook, but he's also the perfect compliment to Westbrook.

 

28) B Davis, LB, AZ - High motor, big hitting LB who ought to be able to crack the starting lineup early with what they have in AZ.

 

29) M Bush, RB, OAK - Fell into the exact wrong spot, but could have some vulture value as we have seen Al do for so long when he can.

 

30) D Wright, RB, BUF - He showed he's over his injury, and if Lynch were to stumble for any reason, Wright could step right into a plum position.

 

31) G Adams, DE, TB - Steps right into a starting spot where TB will send him upfield relentlessly.

 

32) L Timmons, LB, PIT - Figures to take Joey Porter's role immediately, and the guy is off the charts athletically. PIT LBs manage to be good #2 FF LBs or better no matter where they play.

 

33) A Pittman, RB, NO - He's a perfect compliment for Bush, but McAllister is standing in his way. I can't help but see McAllister being moved if Pittman proves he can play in the pros, in which case his opportunity will be limited but he'll get some work with Bush being so damn light.

 

Potential top 20 player: P Posluszny, LB, BUF - if he gets put into the MLB slot like BUF is talking right now, he becomes an immediate high impact FF contributor. If he goes to the SLB, he'll be great fun to watch play but he just won't get the numbers he needs to be anything more than a #3 FF LB.

Edited May 2, 2007 by Bronco Billy

[Savage Beatings]

1) C Johnson, WR, DET - Goes to Mad Mikey's O with R Williams also drawing stud WR coverage

 

2) A Peterson, RB, MIN - drops by being in a really, really bad O w/ a very questionable QB. Could lose touches to Taylor also.

 

3) M Lynch, RB, BUF - Starter right off the bat. Neck & neck w/ Peterson in a bad situation & Jackson in a good situation, but has less competition for touches at RB than Jackson & Peterson's sheer talent wins out.

 

4) B Jackson, RB, GB - Great situation and an increasingly dangerous D, but Morency will take some work from him.

 

5) R Meachem, WR, NO - good opportunity w/ NO looking for a legit #2 WR.

 

6) A Gonzales, WR, IND - Figures to be IND's #3 WR with Marvin slowing down also. Might have some decent chances right off the bat.

 

7) B Quinn, QB, CLE - toss up between the top 2 QBs, but Quinn's competition at QB is worse than Russell's and he has J Thomas protecting his blind side.

 

8) J Russell, QB, OAK - He'll get the chance to take the starting job right from the start, but Moss is gone & the O-line still is a sieve. He'll need every ounce of his size to survive.

 

9) D Bowe, WR, KC - Will have a chance to be the #2 WR right off the bat, and a chance to morph into the #1 WR later this season/early next year with Kennsion being the only other legit WR threat.

 

10) C Henry, RB, TEN - I'm not crazy about this guy, but it's all about opportunity here. L White is the only surviving RB in TEN, and he didn't show too much last year. He could end up playing a bit by default.

 

11) J Beck, QB, MIA - Another guy who will have great opportunity in year or two and there isn't much in his way unless Culpepper manages to not only stay on the roster but miraculously rediscovers his health & QB skills.

 

12) K Irons, RB, CIN - talented guy going to a team with a prolific O, and #2 RB Perry always hurt. Rudi's also entering his 7th season and CIN may want to lighten his workload - his ypc wasn't very good last year.

 

13) S Smith, WR, NYG - possession WR going to a spot where they like to throw & are searching for a compliment for Burress. Decent opportunity even though I've got some reservations about him.

 

14) J Hill, WR, SF - The Niners looking for guy to take over the #1 WR spot, Hill is going to get a good opportunity in an up & coming O. Whether he's capable of being a #1 NFL WR is another matter.

 

15) T Ginn Jr, WR, MIA - I dislike him so much as a pro WR, especially in MIA, but I'm willing to admit there might be a chance I'll be wrong so I'll put him here. I'm hoping a few of my league-mates like him a lot more than I do.

 

16) S Rice, WR, MIN - Another guy going to a very questionable O, but he could emerge quickly as the best WR on the roster. The #1 WR on a bad team isn't necessarily a bad thing for FF numbers...

 

17) B Leonard, RB, STL - a must-have handcuff to S Jackson and will probably get some opportunity for some work given how much STL is using their RB now. If Jackson gets dinged, watch out for very good numbers from him.

 

18) P Willis, LB, SF - Starter right off the bat, and pro-ready to wreak mayhem.

 

19) D Jarrett, WR, CAR - Figures to be a perfect compliment to S Smith, but KeyJohn stands in the path of his development & right smack in his way. Too damn bad, unless CAR goes 3 wide, in which case mortgage the farm to get hold of RB D Williams.

 

20) G Olsen, TE, CHI - I'm really struggling with this one. I'm not sure how much CHI will like a TE who dislikes blocking so much, and CHI isn't exactly a plethora of opportunity for TEs recently. The again, he's a very talented receiver on a team not exactly loaded with them.

 

21) D Stanton, QB, DET - Solid pro QB, but has to wait behind Kitna & also has to deal with Orlovsky. If he manages to rise to the top eventually in this O, watch out - he could put up prolific numbers.

 

21) C Davis, WR, SD - SD is looking for a good #2 WR, but unfortunately that the #4 receiving threat on the team. Don't expect big things for at least 2 years.

 

23) L Booker, RB, MIA - The must-have handcuff for R Brown owners, he'll get some 3rd down work right away (much to the dismay of the R Brown owners).

 

24) J Beason, LB, CAR - another stud athletic LB going into a great situation. Ought to be a high impact guy almost immediately.

 

25) JL Higgins, WR, OAK - Al loves speed WRs, and there is a gaping hole at that position in OAK. He'll get an opportunity to touch the ball early on, and while his touches will be limited by how poor the O is, his YAC should be very good.

 

26) Z Miller, TE, OAK - Projects to a very good safety valve that should get him some work.

 

27) T Hunt, RB, PHI - He'll be very limited because of Westbrook, but he's also the perfect compliment to Westbrook.

 

28) B Davis, LB, AZ - High motor, big hitting LB who ought to be able to crack the starting lineup early with what they have in AZ.

 

29) M Bush, RB, OAK - Fell into the exact wrong spot, but could have some vulture value as we have seen Al do for so long when he can.

 

30) D Wright, RB, BUF - He showed he's over his injury, and if Lynch were to stumble for any reason, Wright could step right into a plum position.

 

31) G Adams, DE, TB - Steps right into a starting spot where TB will send him upfield relentlessly.

 

32) L Timmons, LB, PIT - Figures to take Joey Porter's role immediately, and the guy is off the charts athletically. PIT LBs manage to be good #2 FF LBs or better no matter where they play.

 

33) A Pittman, RB, NO - He's a perfect compliment for Bush, but McAllister is standing in his way. I can't help but see McAllister being moved if Pittman proves he can play in the pros, in which case his opportunity will be limited but he'll get some work with Bush being so damn light.

 

Potential top 20 player: P Posluszny, LB, BUF - if he gets put into the MLB slot like BUF is talking right now, he becomes an immediate high impact FF contributor. If he goes to the SLB, he'll be great fun to watch play but he just won't get the numbers he needs to be anything more than a #3 FF LB.

 

 

Great list BB... thanks!

[Bronco Billy]

Great list BB... thanks!

 

 

A lot of room for debate, obviously.

[Perchoutofwater]

QB's

 

JaMarcus Russell - Supposedly a franchise QB. Did well against the weaker competition, but seemed to struggle some against the better defenses. Of the top QB's he had a lot more to work with than the others, with two WR's also drafted in the first round. His athletic ability is unquestionable. He has a rocket arm, but then again so did Jeff George, and so does Michael Vick. My problem with him is his anticipation. While he has the most upside of all the QB's taken, he definitely has the most risk, particularly given where he went. He could challenge McNown for the starting position this year, but would be better served learning the NFL game and reading NFL defenses for a year or two. If thrown in the fire too quick particularly with the Raiders O-line, I'm afraid that he might not ever develop.

 

Brady Quinn - He is probably the most NFL ready of all the QB's taken this year. He did more with less against top competition. Weis has groomed him to be an NFL QB, and with the additions to offensive line in Cleveland, along with Edwards and Winslow, I like his outlook in a couple of years. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be one of the top two QB's from this draft, and I can easily see him being the best.

 

Drew Stanton - He wound up in the best situation. Again another QB that didn't have much to work with in college. He has found himself drafted by a team with one of the best WR corps in the league, and one of the best offensive coordinators in the league. Hopefully he can sit a year or two getting spot duty behind Kitna while learning the pro game. Just based on his situation, I can see him being a better fantasy QB than Russell.

 

John Beck - Is Beck a good QB, or is he a product of the high flying Cougar offense, and what is it with teams with Cougars as a mascot anyway? Beck lacks arm strength, and tends to hold on to the ball longer than he should. If your fantasy league takes away points for sacks, you might want to stay away from him. He doesn't like to throw into coverage, and waits too long for his WR's to break open. Add to that a less than stellar O-line in Miami, and Beck will be spending a lot of time on his back.

 

Kevin Kolb - Has good arm strength, but prior to last year was very streaky. He improved his consistency last year a great deal. My biggest question about him, is a product of UH's system or is he a real QB? Only time will tell. The good news is that Philly's system is the closest thing the NFL has to what he is used to playing in. The bad news is he is behind McNabb, so he might be good for a couple of spot starts, but it will be a few years before he has a chance at being a full time starter.

 

RB's

 

Adrian Peterson - If healthy, which I believe he will be, he is by far and away the best RB in this year's draft. I would have rather seen him go to a team where he wasn't having to share the rock, but I still anticipate him 60-65% of the carries this year. Teams will be keying on him, as Travaris Jackson and the MIN WR's don't scare anyone, but he is used to that. While there is a chance he won't be the most productive rookie RB this year, he will have the most productive career of all the rookie RB's and should be the 1st pick in most dynasty leagues.

 

Marshawn Lynch - Should make an immediate impact as the starter in Buffalo. He is a better at running inside rather than outside, but does not have the power to move the pile. He was not overly quick in college at getting around the end and this will probably be magnified at the NFL level. He needs to work on moving the ball to the outside arm to better protect it from defenders He has had some issues with back problems in the past, but I believe that concern has been addressed. I would not be surprised if he out performs Peterson as a Rookie primarily due to his situation.

 

Brandon Jackson - He is lightening quick, has a good second gear, and has good hands. He is in an excellent position to be the starter in Green Bay. There are some injury concerns has he has already had two shoulder surgeries. He reminds me a lot of Ahman Green, and not just because he went to Nebraska. He tends to keep the ball in his left hand regardless of where he is on the field, which is another trait that reminds me of Green, though he does not seem to have the propensity to fumble that Green showed early in his career. I like Brandon Jackson as an immediate impact player, but have concerns about his durability. I really think he will be the most productive rookie RB for this up coming season, and could be a late round steal in redraft leagues. In a dynasty league I'm not as impressed with him and would definitely take the two RB's listed above as well as RB's like Pittman and Hunt.

 

Tony Hunt - for years the Eagles have needed a larger RB to pound it up the middle in short yardage and goal line situations. Hunt will not break many long runs in the NFL, he simply doesn't have the second gear for that. What he does have a is good power and size to move the chains. I doubt he will ever be a top 10 RB in yardage, but I can definitely see him being among the top in TD's. Based on where he is, and his skill set, this guy is going to be a vulture.

 

Chris Henry - he has to make the short list of rookies just because of his situation. If Lendale White reports out of shape, then Henry has a good chance of at least splitting carries with him. He is a liability as a pass blocker at this point, and he needs to improve his route running. He has the natural ability, but needs a lot of coaching.

 

Michael Bush - I was really looking forward to him possibly being a steal in dynasty drafts, but his situation is horrible. He has Lamont Jordan and Dominic Rhodes in front of him, and a horrible offensive line.

 

WR

 

Calvin Johnson - Enough has been said about him already, there is really nothing left to say. In a dynasty league he should be the first WR taken, and based on individual team needs an argument can be made for him being the first overall pick. In redraft, I'm going to stay away from him, as he will probably be taken way to high. I see him as a top 20 WR, but don't see him breaking the top 10 this year.

 

Ted Ginn - I'm not a Ginn fan. I see him as a one trick pony. He has great speed and is a very good return man, and if you get additional point for return yardage, he might be worth picking up. That being said, I think he will be over valued by the average fantasy player. He does not run clean routes, and he tends to lose concentration. He hears footsteps when going over the middle. If he had a strong armed QB, the would be a great deep threat, but at this point nobody knows who his QB is.

 

Anthony Gonzales - I like this kid a lot. To me he was the best WR the OSU team. He is in a great situation, as he should be filling Stokely's role in the IND offense from day one. With Wayne and Harrison getting most of the attention, he will have some very good games. He has great speed, and is willing to make the tough catches. I doubt he'll ever be a #1 WR for a pro team, but he should make an immediate impact as a slot WR, and will make a nice #2 WR when Harrison rides off into the sunset.

 

Robert Meachum - He is the best rookie WR not named Johnson in this year's draft. You have to like the idea of him lining up as the #2 WR in NO. He has good size and decent speed. He has lapses in concentration at time, but overall is a very well rounded receiver. His performance in college was hampered by a knee injury his freshmen year.

 

Dwayne Bowe - He will be an immediate starter on team that is in sore need of a WR. He is great as a short and intermediate receiver, and uses his body well. His only real flaw is he tends to be slow off the line of scrimmage, which is usually offset by his power to bump off a jamb. From a pure talent stand point, I think he is 3rd behind Johnson and Meachum, but his situation is much worse than both of them.

 

TE

 

This is the weakest TE class in the last few years. Olson and Miller are the only two with the athletic ability to make good fantasy TE's. Both should be mid round picks in dynasty leagues, and Olson should be a late round pick in re-draft leagues.

 

If I have time I'll look a the defensive side of the ball later.

[Bronco Billy]

Edited for Jarrett moving up because of the KeyJohn drop.

[alexgaddis]

Any sites out there that have done a mock yet?

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Cool. Thanks guys. Can you expand it to 84 players for our 7 round rookie draft coming up? Thanks in advance.

[Bronco Billy]

Any sites out there that have done a mock yet?

 

 

If you're talking about a rookie draft, there's a bunch of them out there. I'm in the middle of TOCOL's right now.

 

Link to TOCOL draft

 

14 team, start 20, including K & P. 11 starter IDP. 6 ppTD except passing TDs are 5 ppTD. Incremental ppr for RB, WR, TE. Pts for rushing attempts, completions, penalties for incompletions, & a bunch of other stuff.

Edited May 3, 2007 by Bronco Billy

[Fatman]

If you're talking about a rookie draft, there's a bunch of them out there. I'm in the middle of TOCOL's right now.

 

Link to TOCOL draft

 

14 team, start 20, including K & P. 11 starter IDP. 6 ppTD except passing TDs are 5 ppTD. Incremental ppr for RB, WR, TE. Pts for rushing attempts, completions, penalties for incompletions, & a bunch of other stuff.

 

 

Surprised at the position of Henry, Irons and Hunt - would've thought they would go higher. Any idea why this is BB?

[Bronco Billy]

Surprised at the position of Henry, Irons and Hunt - would've thought they would go higher. Any idea why this is BB?

 

 

Because they're relatively weak RBs with holes in their games and landed in spots where they aren't going to be featured.

 

The guys in this league saw the value this year at WR - can't say I blame them. You won't see huge RB runs in this league unless the RB position is loaded, especially with the scoring evening things a bit between the skill positions.

[Fatman]

especially with the scoring evening things a bit between the skill positions.

 

 

That makes sense then.

[alexgaddis]

If you're talking about a rookie draft, there's a bunch of them out there. I'm in the middle of TOCOL's right now.

 

Link to TOCOL draft

 

14 team, start 20, including K & P. 11 starter IDP. 6 ppTD except passing TDs are 5 ppTD. Incremental ppr for RB, WR, TE. Pts for rushing attempts, completions, penalties for incompletions, & a bunch of other stuff.

 

Excellent tool, thanks BB!

[Bronco Billy]

Excellent tool, thanks BB!

 

 

You're welcome. Did you like the link, too?

 

[Bronco Billy]

Seriously, though, I'll start a thread encouraging people to post their ongoing dynasty drafts.

[Randall]

A lot of room for debate, obviously.

 

 

 

B Jackson is too high I think(too many backs) and I would rank Russell ahead of Quinn. I like the high Meachem ranking though.