Randy Moss

[CaptainHook]

Moss could end up with a career TD mark second only to Jerry Rice.

 

 

He'll need 75 more TD's to pass Emmitt Smith.

Edited June 27, 2007 by CaptainHook

[chinatown dragons]

+1

 

Art Monk isn't in, and will probably never get in at this point. No way Moss gets in, especially since the chances of the Pats winning the SB re slim and Moss returning to form this year are slimmer.

 

 

 

With the team that Pats have assembled right now, and with Brady at the helm, why do you think their chances of winning a Super Bowl are SLIM? A lot of experts are stating before the season begins that they are the team to beat.....? They made the best off season moves....granted, Samuels is unhappy and not reporting, but got top free agent in Thomas, now have viable targets for Brady to throw to, Maroney appears healthy, and got Brady and Bill calling the shots.....

[Bronco Billy]

This is dead on and what I have been saying for quite some time. People who hate on Moss just want to find someone to hate and are following the overblown stuff the media has put out. I urge people to once find a player who has complained about Randy Moss or has come out and said that they did not like playing with him. You will not find that. That is not a "cancer" by any means. A "cancer" breaks down team chemistry and brings negative attention to the team. When has Moss ever done that? His problems are his own and no one elses.

 

 

 

Just a few samples of the myriad of information available on the net on a simple google search. There must be a lot of irrational Randy haters:

 

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Yikes: Vikes imploding

Chicago Sun-Times, Nov 26, 2001 by Rick Telander

 

MINNEAPOLIS--'I think they were upset at him dropping a lot of passes," Minnesota Vikings tight end Byron Chamberlain said.

 

'They" were the Metrodome fans. "Him" was Randy Moss. The "upset" part was the sarcastic cheer the disgusted crowd gave Moss when he caught a meaningless six-yard pass with time running out in the Vikings' 13-6 loss Sunday to the Bears.

 

It was the all-world Moss' first reception of the second half and gave him four catches for a paltry 25 yards. At times, Moss barely seemed to be trying to catch quarterback Daunte Culpepper's passes.

 

In the oddest way, the Bears are blessed to have the incredibly gifted Moss in their division. He is such a loser as a teammate that he has the ability to undermine the mission of an entire ballclub.

 

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Here's what former offensive coordinator Tom Walsh had to say:

 

"Randy Moss is a player whose skills are diminishing, and he's in denial of those eroding skills.... He told me last year, 'I'm too old to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but I'm not too old to play on Sunday.'"

 

...n a loss to the Cleveland Browns in which a play-action pass was called and Moss was asked to run a square-in... [instead Moss] runs a [deep go] route... [A] huge hole opens up for Randy in the middle of the field but he's running down the sideline. [QB Andrew] Walter nearly threw his arm out pulling the ball back... [Later] Randy told [WR coach] Fred [biletnikoff], 'I didn't feel like running the [square-in] route on the dirt part of the infield...'

 

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I think one of the most revealing nuggets I've heard on the NFL this year came from Merril Hoge, on ESPN's matchup show during the weekend. He said he'd watched every Vikings offensive play this year, and on 34 of them, Randy Moss either stood stock still, loafed or walked through a route. Terrific note. It just shows that maybe we ought to take it seriously when Moss talks of being bored by football sometimes. Equally good was Hoge's blistering criticism of how Moss will eventually hurt his team big-time by dogging it. Great job by Hoge. And great job in buttressing the story with the video showing Moss dogging it.

 

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*During the last game of the regular season against the Washington Redskins, Moss was caught walking off the field and into the locker room with 2 seconds left on the clock. Critics criticized Moss for quitting on his team.

 

*During the course of the Raiders' nine game losing streak to end the 2006 season, Tyler Brayton and several other Raiders, including Warren Sapp, criticized the lackadaisical effort of Moss.

 

*Days later, he reiterated his unhappiness with losing games and being a member of the Raiders on his weekly segment with Fox Sports Radio, saying, "I might want to look forward to moving somewhere else next year to have another start and really feel good about going out here and playing football."

 

*Moss responded to questions about his dropped passes and lackluster effort in several games, saying "Maybe because I'm unhappy and I'm not too much excited about what's going on, so, my concentration and focus level tend to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood." Moss made similar comments during his tenure with the Vikings, when he infamously proclaimed, "I play when I want to play."

 

*Moss was fined $40,000, which was later reduced to $25,000, during that game due to squirting an NFL referee with a water bottle. There was a stipulation that he would have to pay the difference in addition to any other fine if he had another run-in with the league.

Edited June 27, 2007 by Bronco Billy

[The Vatican Hitsquad]

With the team that Pats have assembled right now, and with Brady at the helm, why do you think their chances of winning a Super Bowl are SLIM? A lot of experts are stating before the season begins that they are the team to beat.....? They made the best off season moves....granted, Samuels is unhappy and not reporting, but got top free agent in Thomas, now have viable targets for Brady to throw to, Maroney appears healthy, and got Brady and Bill calling the shots.....

I don't care what "expert"s are sayign about a teams aquisitions of some debatable Free Agents. On paper, you can make that team look much better, or on paper you can make that team look much worse. Off season analysis hasn't helped the Panthers the last 2 years, the Chargers nor the Cowboys depsite all their off season moves and predictions from the "experts". Last time I checked, the Colts were reigning champs and had schooled the Pats in the championship game, and that same team is pretty much still intact. Picking up Randy Moss doesn't change that one bit.

[chinatown dragons]

yes, the Colts are the reiging champs, I will give you that. I did not say that the Pats will WIN the Super Bowl, just questioning your quote as saying their chances are SLIM.....thats all...I wouldn't say they are SLIM....and last I checked, Colts lost more players than the Pats did........Rhodes.....Cato June...Nick Harper...Stokely....Doss.......Pats lost Dillon, and maybe Samuels......Just think they have a better than SLIM chance of winning it all....

[The Vatican Hitsquad]

yes, the Colts are the reiging champs, I will give you that. I did not say that the Pats will WIN the Super Bowl, just questioning your quote as saying their chances are SLIM.....thats all...I wouldn't say they are SLIM....and last I checked, Colts lost more players than the Pats did........Rhodes.....Cato June...Nick Harper...Stokely....Doss.......Pats lost Dillon, and maybe Samuels......Just think they have a better than SLIM chance of winning it all....

OK, granted, we are debating a definition of the word "slim". They certainly have a better chance to win than over half the league, and more likely 3/4. But I don't come close to makign them favorites, but you never said they were.

[Goopster24]

Just a few samples of the myriad of information available on the net on a simple google search. There must be a lot of irrational Randy haters:

 

link

 

Yikes: Vikes imploding

Chicago Sun-Times, Nov 26, 2001 by Rick Telander

 

MINNEAPOLIS--'I think they were upset at him dropping a lot of passes," Minnesota Vikings tight end Byron Chamberlain said.

 

'They" were the Metrodome fans. "Him" was Randy Moss. The "upset" part was the sarcastic cheer the disgusted crowd gave Moss when he caught a meaningless six-yard pass with time running out in the Vikings' 13-6 loss Sunday to the Bears.

 

It was the all-world Moss' first reception of the second half and gave him four catches for a paltry 25 yards. At times, Moss barely seemed to be trying to catch quarterback Daunte Culpepper's passes.

 

In the oddest way, the Bears are blessed to have the incredibly gifted Moss in their division. He is such a loser as a teammate that he has the ability to undermine the mission of an entire ballclub.

 

link

 

Here's what former offensive coordinator Tom Walsh had to say:

 

"Randy Moss is a player whose skills are diminishing, and he's in denial of those eroding skills.... He told me last year, 'I'm too old to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but I'm not too old to play on Sunday.'"

 

...n a loss to the Cleveland Browns in which a play-action pass was called and Moss was asked to run a square-in... [instead Moss] runs a [deep go] route... [A] huge hole opens up for Randy in the middle of the field but he's running down the sideline. [QB Andrew] Walter nearly threw his arm out pulling the ball back... [Later] Randy told [WR coach] Fred [biletnikoff], 'I didn't feel like running the [square-in] route on the dirt part of the infield...'

 

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I think one of the most revealing nuggets I've heard on the NFL this year came from Merril Hoge, on ESPN's matchup show during the weekend. He said he'd watched every Vikings offensive play this year, and on 34 of them, Randy Moss either stood stock still, loafed or walked through a route. Terrific note. It just shows that maybe we ought to take it seriously when Moss talks of being bored by football sometimes. Equally good was Hoge's blistering criticism of how Moss will eventually hurt his team big-time by dogging it. Great job by Hoge. And great job in buttressing the story with the video showing Moss dogging it.

 

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*During the last game of the regular season against the Washington Redskins, Moss was caught walking off the field and into the locker room with 2 seconds left on the clock. Critics criticized Moss for quitting on his team.

 

*During the course of the Raiders' nine game losing streak to end the 2006 season, Tyler Brayton and several other Raiders, including Warren Sapp, criticized the lackadaisical effort of Moss.

 

*Days later, he reiterated his unhappiness with losing games and being a member of the Raiders on his weekly segment with Fox Sports Radio, saying, "I might want to look forward to moving somewhere else next year to have another start and really feel good about going out here and playing football."

 

*Moss responded to questions about his dropped passes and lackluster effort in several games, saying "Maybe because I'm unhappy and I'm not too much excited about what's going on, so, my concentration and focus level tend to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood." Moss made similar comments during his tenure with the Vikings, when he infamously proclaimed, "I play when I want to play."

 

*Moss was fined $40,000, which was later reduced to $25,000, during that game due to squirting an NFL referee with a water bottle. There was a stipulation that he would have to pay the difference in addition to any other fine if he had another run-in with the league.

 

Wow, your Google search came up with an opinion piece from the worst sports writer in Chicago. Real informative. Oh, and also a quote from a guy who was managing a bed and breakfast inn a few years back.

 

What is with this Moss hating? Many players would quit if they were on that Raiders team; many did. I am glad Tyler Brayton (who?) Didn't. Management quit on that team. And I don't take what Warren Sapp says seriously. If you talk about scums, that is one right there.

 

Rice had no problems with what Moss said about "not giving 100% effort." If he doesn't have a problem, I don't either.

 

The guy is a HOFer, plain and simple.

[The Vatican Hitsquad]

The guy is a HOFer, plain and simple.

Simple as Art Monk being a HofFer?

[Bronco Billy]

Wow, your Google search came up with an opinion piece from the worst sports writer in Chicago. Real informative. Oh, and also a quote from a guy who was managing a bed and breakfast inn a few years back.

 

 

 

 

Holy crap. It is quotes from coaches, team mates (which by the way you claimed did not exist), and analysis from guys who got information directly from Moss and/or his team mates, or did game film break down.

 

Could you be any more of a Moss jock-sniffer in a state of complete & utter denial?

 

Let's also be clear on something - Moss has created some serious road blocks on his path to an alleged HoF honor. Dr. Z - whom I normally can't stand - who is a HoF voter has publicly stated that Moss is going to have great difficulty getting in. That inference can not be ignored. That group has screwed over better football players than Moss (note, I didn't say better athletes, but better football players) in keeping them out of the HoF.

[Goopster24]

Holy crap. It is quotes from coaches, team mates (which by the way you claimed did not exist), and analysis from guys who got information directly from Moss and/or his team mates, or did game film break down.

 

Could you be any more of a Moss jock-sniffer in a state of complete & utter denial?

 

Let's also be clear on something - Moss has created some serious road blocks on his path to an alleged HoF honor. Dr. Z - whom I normally can't stand - who is a HoF voter has publicly stated that Moss is going to have great difficulty getting in. That inference can not be ignored. That group has screwed over better football players than Moss (note, I didn't say better athletes, but better football players) in keeping them out of the HoF.

 

 

I will be the first to say that I am a fan of Randy Moss and I think he is one of the more misunderstood athletes of my time at least (I am a younger guy). There are much worse people in the NFL with worse attitudes. No teammate in Minnesota ever complained about him. He quit, you are right, and people can hold that against him, but many would do the same thing. I wouldn't and you probably wouldn't, but he did, I know.

 

When people bring up Art Monk, I can honestly say I don't know much about him. But I talked to some guys here at ESPN Radio and they told me a little about him. He wasn't even the best wide receiver on his team as Gary Clark was and eclipsed his numbers more than a couple of times. Monk played many years, but his numbers aren't crazy good. Now obviously there is a difference between me hearing that and someone older knowing and watching him. But his numbers don't wow me. Randy Moss' numbers are solid and will continue to build if he can have two or three solid seasons in New England.

 

Randy Moss will have trouble probably because of how the media portrays him. But I think he will tear it up this season and build upon his HOF resume.

Edited June 27, 2007 by Goopster24

[kingfish247]

Speaking of game film... I defy anyone to show me game film of Marvin Harrison running shallow cross routes. Saying Moss made his career outside the numbers and dissing him for it is a bit disengenuous considering how many WRs actually make a living between the numbers... few to none.

 

Comparing Marvin and Moss' worst years is hardly fair. Manning absolutely made Harrison. Harrison is a good WR and deserves a HOF bid as well but he's played with the most prolific QB, ever, for 9 of his 11 years. Really very easy not to become labelled a malcontent in that situation, anyways.

 

Harrison's worst years were 96-98... 21 TDs, ~2400yds.

A platoon of Harbaugh, Paul Justin, Kelly Holcomb, and Manning (rookie) were his QBs for those years.

Let's not forget the presence of a first ballot HOFer by the name of Marshall Faulk.

 

Moss' worst 3 years were 04-06... 24 TDs, ~2300yds.

A platoon of Culpepper, Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, and Aaron Brooks.

 

Moss has played 2 fewer years than Harrison, has had very comparable stats for their worst 3 years, and trails Harrison by almost exactly 3000yds and 21 TDs. Yes, given his numbers over the last 2 years Moss is not on pace to close that gap but in an average 'good' year for Moss... Moss absolutely makes up that difference.

 

Also the notion of Moss imploding the Vikes is ridiculous... look at the 2002 Vikings, 6-10, 3 years before the supposed 'implosion':

 

How bad was the team? Name another Viking player or coach from the 2002 offense (number one in yards in the NFL) that is a starter, or been promoted as a coach, going into the 2007 season.

 

Give up... Scott Linehan, Matt Birk and Moss. Moss still had 106/1347/7... not even his worst year.

 

Michael Bennett and Moe Williams had career years. Bennett made a Pro Bowl.

 

Lets look at the roster from the 2002 #1 offense (yds) in the league:

 

Head Coach- Isn't even a coordinator.

QB's - One is out of the league. One is about to get cut.

RB's - Two of the runningbacks are out of the league. Michael Bennett is a part timer.

WR's- Not one of the 6 other wide recievers is still in the league. (everyone excpet the wonderful Kelly Campbell wasn't good enough to even play another DOWN in the NFL.) Oh and they had the 9th ranked passing attack.

TE-- Two are out of the league (they combined for 8 catches in the NFL post 2002). And one is clinging to life as a blocking specialist. 30 catches in the last 3 years.

 

Well the OL was probably awesome.... Matt Birk and McKinney are the only lineman still in the league. McKinney held out and missed training camp and 8 games that year so he wasn't even a factor. The other linemen? David Dixon was good but at the end of his career. The other three starters (not counting McKinney who only started 4 games.... played a combined 13 more NFL games after 2002.

 

Life with Moss may have been annoying, and yes he could be a jackass at times but damn... life without Moss has been rough on the Vikes.

[Goopster24]

Speaking of game film... I defy anyone to show me game film of Marvin Harrison running shallow cross routes. Saying Moss made his career outside the numbers and dissing him for it is a bit disengenuous considering how many WRs actually make a living between the numbers... few to none.

 

Comparing Marvin and Moss' worst years is hardly fair. Manning absolutely made Harrison. Harrison is a good WR and deserves a HOF bid as well but he's played with the most prolific QB, ever, for 9 of his 11 years. Really very easy not to become labelled a malcontent in that situation, anyways.

 

Harrison's worst years were 96-98... 21 TDs, ~2400yds.

A platoon of Harbaugh, Paul Justin, Kelly Holcomb, and Manning (rookie) were his QBs for those years.

Let's not forget the presence of a first ballot HOFer by the name of Marshall Faulk.

 

Moss' worst 3 years were 04-06... 24 TDs, ~2300yds.

A platoon of Culpepper, Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, and Aaron Brooks.

 

Moss has played 2 fewer years than Harrison, has had very comparable stats for their worst 3 years, and trails Harrison by almost exactly 3000yds and 21 TDs. Yes, given his numbers over the last 2 years Moss is not on pace to close that gap but in an average 'good' year for Moss... Moss absolutely makes up that difference.

 

Also the notion of Moss imploding the Vikes is ridiculous... look at the 2002 Vikings, 6-10, 3 years before the supposed 'implosion':

 

How bad was the team? Name another Viking player or coach from the 2002 offense (number one in yards in the NFL) that is a starter, or been promoted as a coach, going into the 2007 season.

 

Give up... Scott Linehan, Matt Birk and Moss. Moss still had 106/1347/7... not even his worst year.

 

Michael Bennett and Moe Williams had career years. Bennett made a Pro Bowl.

 

Lets look at the roster from the 2002 #1 offense (yds) in the league:

 

Head Coach- Isn't even a coordinator.

QB's - One is out of the league. One is about to get cut.

RB's - Two of the runningbacks are out of the league. Michael Bennett is a part timer.

WR's- Not one of the 6 other wide recievers is still in the league. (everyone excpet the wonderful Kelly Campbell wasn't good enough to even play another DOWN in the NFL.) Oh and they had the 9th ranked passing attack.

TE-- Two are out of the league (they combined for 8 catches in the NFL post 2002). And one is clinging to life as a blocking specialist. 30 catches in the last 3 years.

 

Well the OL was probably awesome.... Matt Birk and McKinney are the only lineman still in the league. McKinney held out and missed training camp and 8 games that year so he wasn't even a factor. The other linemen? David Dixon was good but at the end of his career. The other three starters (not counting McKinney who only started 4 games.... played a combined 13 more NFL games after 2002.

 

Life with Moss may have been annoying, and yes he could be a jackass at times but damn... life without Moss has been rough on the Vikes.

 

 

Well said, I like these kinds of posts.

[Bill Swerski]

yes, the Colts are the reiging champs, I will give you that. I did not say that the Pats will WIN the Super Bowl, just questioning your quote as saying their chances are SLIM.....thats all...I wouldn't say they are SLIM....and last I checked, Colts lost more players than the Pats did........Rhodes.....Cato June...Nick Harper...Stokely....Doss.......Pats lost Dillon, and maybe Samuels......Just think they have a better than SLIM chance of winning it all....

 

The Pats have to be considered the favorites. They were arguably the best team in the league last year and won't choke away a 21-3 lead in the playoffs again.

 

The Colts will have a difficult time controlling the line of scrimmage like they did in last year's playoffs. I'd obviously love for them to repeat, but I don't see them doing it.

[The Vatican Hitsquad]

When people bring up Art Monk, I can honestly say I don't know much about him. But I talked to some guys here at ESPN Radio and they told me a little about him. He wasn't even the best wide receiver on his team as Gary Clark was and eclipsed his numbers more than a couple of times. Monk played many years, <b>but his numbers aren't crazy good</b>. Now obviously there is a difference between me hearing that and someone older knowing and watching him. But his numbers don't wow me.

 

 

Unless you have another way to describe being 6th all-time in receptions and 11th all time in recieving yrds other than "crazy good", i disagree.

[Goopster24]

Unless you have another way to describe being 6th all-time in receptions and 11th all time in recieving yrds other than "crazy good", i disagree.

 

 

Longevity won’t get you into the HOF. Ask Drew Bledsoe or Vinny Testaverde who have that on their resume. Talking to some people, it doesn’t even seem like people were scared of Art Monk. Clark’s numbers are better then his in many aspects. Again, I never saw him play but obviously there is a reason why he is being passed on several times. I really don’t know what side to take but I am just arguing the other, which I can definitely see.

 

Randy Moss was one of the top receivers in the NFL, if not the best. He had a chance to be the best ever by many people’s opinions. The guy still has some gas left in the tank and he is out to prove he can still play. If he puts up solid numbers this year and the next few, which I think he will, he is for sure a HOFer.

[Bier Meister]

 

				+--------------------------+-------------------------+			 |		  Rushing		 |		Receiving		|+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1998 min |  16 |	 1	  4	4.0	0 |	69   1313  19.0   17 || 1999 min |  16 |	 4	 43   10.8	0 |	80   1413  17.7   11 || 2000 min |  16 |	 3	  5	1.7	0 |	77   1437  18.7   15 || 2001 min |  16 |	 3	 38   12.7	0 |	82   1233  15.0   10 || 2002 min |  16 |	 6	 51	8.5	0 |   106   1347  12.7	7 || 2003 min |  16 |	 6	 18	3.0	0 |   111   1632  14.7   17 || 2004 min |  13 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	49	767  15.7   13 || 2005 oak |  16 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	60   1005  16.8	8 || 2006 oak |  13 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	42	553  13.2	3 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+|  TOTAL   | 138 |	23	159	6.9	0 |   676  10700  15.8  101 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+Seasons among the league's top 10Receptions: 2002-3, 2003-2 Receiving yards: 1998-3, 1999-3, 2000-5, 2001-9, 2002-2, 2003-2 Receiving TDs: 1998-1, 1999-6t, 2000-1, 2001-4, 2003-1, 2004-4t Rush/Receive TDs: 1998-2t, 2000-5t, 2001-10t, 2003-3t, 2004-10t Among the league's all-time top 50Receptions: 29 Receiving yards: 21 Receiving TDs: 5 Rush/Receive TDs: 16t 

 

 

when he hangs em up, i think he'll have the numbers. sad thing is what we spoke about years ago... how much better they would have been with a better work ethic.

Edited June 27, 2007 by Bier Meister

[The Vatican Hitsquad]

Longevity won’t get you into the HOF. Ask Drew Bledsoe or Vinny Testaverde who have that on their resume. Talking to some people, it doesn’t even seem like people were scared of Art Monk. Clark’s numbers are better then his in many aspects. Again, I never saw him play but obviously there is a reason why he is being passed on several times. I really don’t know what side to take but I am just arguing the other, which I can definitely see.

 

Randy Moss <b>was</b> one of the top receivers in the NFL, if not the best. He had a chance to be the best ever by many people’s opinions. The guy still has some gas left in the tank and he is out to prove he can still play. If he puts up solid numbers this year and the next few, which I think he will, he is for sure a HOFer.

 

Longevity HASN'T gotten him in, and that's part of my point. He also has numbers, like Moss, that put him among the best ever. Longevity or not. Moss hasn't had a good season in years, and it's just baseless speculation that he WILL turn it around after 3 lack luster seasons and a career of poor attitude/work ethic. There is a better chance than not of his numbers only increasing significantly due to longevity.

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

why? Both teams were bad, had offensive line problems, rotating quarterbacks. Moss was in his ninth year when he had to go through it, Marvin was in his second. Yet Moss came out and gave a pitiful effort, and had the worst year of his career. Harrison's next season, he missed the last four games (and most of a fifth, he got hurt in the first quarter IIRC) after seperating his shoulder, and he still outperformed two of Moss's worst seasons. . .

 

 

I believe Harrison had another guy to help out though. I think his name was Marshall Faulk. He was pretty good...

[CaptainHook]

Speaking of game film... I defy anyone to show me game film of Marvin Harrison running shallow cross routes. Saying Moss made his career outside the numbers and dissing him for it is a bit disengenuous considering how many WRs actually make a living between the numbers... few to none.

 

come on over to my house. I have plenty of tape of Harrison over the middle.

 

Comparing Marvin and Moss' worst years is hardly fair. Manning absolutely made Harrison. Harrison is a good WR and deserves a HOF bid as well but he's played with the most prolific QB, ever, for 9 of his 11 years.

 

wrong wrong wrong. they've helped make each other. Marvin's routes are impeccable. He has great speed and hands. The one handed toe-tap in New England for a TD last year may be the best catch in NFL history.

 

Why exactly is it unfair to compare their worst seasons? They were on really bad teams, with very below average quarterbacks with bad offensive lines. Yet Harrison still produced. Moss didn't.

 

 

Really very easy not to become labelled a malcontent in that situation, anyways.

 

Moss was putting up similiar numbers with Culpepper, and somehow found a way to be a malcontent.

 

 

Harrison's worst years were 96-98... 21 TDs, ~2400yds.

A platoon of Harbaugh, Paul Justin, Kelly Holcomb, and Manning (rookie) were his QBs for those years.

Let's not forget the presence of a first ballot HOFer by the name of Marshall Faulk.

 

Moss' worst 3 years were 04-06... 24 TDs, ~2300yds.

A platoon of Culpepper, Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, and Aaron Brooks.

 

Moss has played 2 fewer years than Harrison, has had very comparable stats for their worst 3 years, and trails Harrison by almost exactly 3000yds and 21 TDs. Yes, given his numbers over the last 2 years Moss is not on pace to close that gap but in an average 'good' year for Moss... Moss absolutely makes up that difference.

 

 

You conveniently left out the number of receptions. 196 for Harrison, in his worst 3 years (which came at the beginning of his career, as you would expect, in comparison to Moss' which have come in years 7-9). 151 receptions for Moss. Plus your math is off. 2478 yards for Harrison in his worst 3 years, 2325 for Moss. Convenient to leave out 50+ yards for Harrison. By the way, Moss has put up 1500 or more yards exactly ONCE in his entire career, and that was 4 years ago. Not sure why you think he will do it two years in a row all of a sudden.

Edited June 27, 2007 by CaptainHook

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I believe Harrison had another guy to help out though. I think his name was Marshall Faulk. He was pretty good...

 

 

However you slice it, Moss is FIRST in yards, receptions, and TDs for WRs through the age of 29. Not too shabby with those 2 "bad" years...

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

come on over to my house. I have plenty of tape of Harrison over the middle.

 

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And then ducking into a ball and laying on the field?

[CaptainHook]

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And then ducking into a ball and laying on the field?

 

 

what would you do if you weighed 185 lbs? At least he'll make the catch first. . .

Edited June 27, 2007 by CaptainHook

[CaptainHook]

Harrison put up 11,185 yards in his first 9 season. Moss? 10700.

 

Harrison put up 845 catches. Moss? 676.

 

Harrison had 98 TD's. Moss? 101.

 

You can have all the "by age 29" crap. In his first 9 years, Harrison blows Moss out of the water by 485 yards and 169 catches.

[CaptainHook]

I believe Harrison had another guy to help out though. I think his name was Marshall Faulk. He was pretty good...

 

Yeah, in 1996, Harrison's rookie year, Faulk had 198 carries for 587 yards (3.0 yards per carry). I bet that helped a lot. In 1997 he barely cracked 1000 yards rushing. Seriously, the Colts o-line was terrible back then.

 

edit: by the way, did you quote yourself in post #45?

Edited June 27, 2007 by CaptainHook

[CaptainHook]

yes, the Colts are the reiging champs, I will give you that. I did not say that the Pats will WIN the Super Bowl, just questioning your quote as saying their chances are SLIM.....thats all...I wouldn't say they are SLIM....and last I checked, Colts lost more players than the Pats did........Rhodes.....Cato June...Nick Harper...Stokely....Doss.......Pats lost Dillon, and maybe Samuels......Just think they have a better than SLIM chance of winning it all....

 

Uhmm, the Colts won the SB without Stokley or Doss anyways, they were on IR. And Harper played a quarter. Keep doubting them (I did all last year). They were 32nd against the run last year. It's not like they could get worse. They added a bigger, more physical LB in Freddie Keiaho to replace the not-so-great-in-run-support Cato June. They have plenty of young cornerbacks to replace David and Harper. They also picked up a 300 lb run-stopping DT in the draft. The key is Sanders. If he can stay healthy they are a top 15 defense, without him . . .

Edited June 27, 2007 by CaptainHook