ericthemidget Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Am I missing something or is DeAngelo Williams being overvalued, in terms of draft position, ahead of DeShaun Foster? Seems that DeAngelo is going in the 4th round with DeShaun going in the 8th. It seems there is some 'expectation' that DeAngelo will get the bulk of the carries, but I'm not finding any real evidence thus far that his workload will be that much more than DeShauns that justifies this disparity. Some reports even list DeShaun as the starter still. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 They just might kill each others value all year. However, the reasoning behind Williams getting more love is basically because the Panthers are switching to a zone-blocking scheme, which should be more of a benefit to Williams because of his cutback ability. But it will most likely be a sharing situation with Williams getting the larger role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dade Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 stay away from them. Had them both last year wanted to kill myself. Started Deang one week and he had -2 yards. Its nothing against him, its just the panthers have a huge RBBC and i believe that their o-line is one of the worsts(or it was last year). If the o-line did improve and Deshaun gets pushed away for some reason during camp, I can see Deang as a 4/5th round player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Am I missing something or is DeAngelo Williams being overvalued, in terms of draft position, ahead of DeShaun Foster? Seems that DeAngelo is going in the 4th round with DeShaun going in the 8th. DeAngelo Williams ceiling is much higher than DeShaun Foster. We already know what Foster can do, and he has a low ceiling. Williams ceiling is still unknown, so the potential or ceiling is higher than that of DeShaun Foster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 if DW consistently outperforms Foster, they'll have no choice but to give him the majority of the carries when they drafted him in the 2nd and paid him 2nd rounder money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Here's the bottom line: Fox's job is on the line this year. At a point like that, while there are a few incredibly obstinate HCs, most will finally give up their pet players (like Foster is with Fox) and go with the more productive player (which Williams clearly is). I expect Williams to get the lion's share of the work, even while Foster does get some carries. He's simply the better RB of the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSULions Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 DW will get the bulk of the touches IMO given his big play abilities. I think the new OC will likely try to use more screens and passes out in the flat and use DW as a receiver much more this year to keep other Ds more honest. I think DW will get between 20-25 touches per game (including 4-6 catches) to get him out in space to break a big play. I think DF will get around 10-15 so he will definitely take carries away from DW, but I believe the Panthers plan to use DW has a Brian Westbrook RB, so if your league gets points for receptions, DW may have more value than you might think. I think TC will provide more insight on this issue, but this is my gut feeling as of now. Feel free to PM anytime on Panthers stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astau Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I would stay away from both of them, Never know who is going to get the majority of the carries from week to week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Link Len Pasquarelli wrote a good read about Williams this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Link Len Pasquarelli wrote a good read about Williams this season. Nice link, thanks. My personal opinion is that DW has alot in his favor: 1. Highly talented, versitile, young, 2nd year 2. Big play potential 3. Panthers like to run, and are setting up a scheme for him 4. Smith keeps Ds out of the box We all wanted DW to be a stud last year, but as that link points out, that rarely happens in year 1. A smart coach will work him slowly in to the offense. This year regardless of Foster, DW will see way more carries and should be ready to explode. If anything Foster will help keep him fresh. There is the looming possibility that Foster gets the starts early on in the season, but I think most strategicially and because Foster is a twig, you'll see DW carrying the ball successfully by week 4-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 The offense is being built around DW cutback ability and Smitty's ability to work in inter-mediate space and they have also re-implemented the slant, which they took away from Smitty last year. It's very mirror-like of the OT scheme DW ran to perfection at Memphis, so I'd say the majority will be 60% DW and 40% DF, with the heavier load of 70-75% coming around mid-season for DW. Also, Foster will also post better #'s outta the back-feild now as well, as he has always had good hands outta the backfeild as well, and to close it fit's his running style as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Also, be aware of Shelton, who was in Hennings dog-house, but has drawn praise from Davidson. Shelton could become the GL back for the Panthers and has responed well to Davidson's coaching of not running so up-right. So, Shelton could finally matter in the Panthers offensive plans this year. Shelton is a bull at 255lbs and Davidson will find a spot for him in the new offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebdog Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 I'd guess that neither DW or DF will get more than 20 carries in a game this year barring injury. I had DW last year and kept waiting for him to be given the bulk of the workload. Given his size and injury history, I think he'll never be a bigtime fantasy back....but definitely could make a real contribution to the Panthers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 I'd guess that neither DW or DF will get more than 20 carries in a game this year barring injury. I had DW last year and kept waiting for him to be given the bulk of the workload. Given his size and injury history, I think he'll never be a bigtime fantasy back....but definitely could make a real contribution to the Panthers. Injury history? He missed two weeks with a sprained ankle. He is the 4th leading rusher in NCAA history. Where is the injury history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebdog Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Injury history? He missed two weeks with a sprained ankle. He is the 4th leading rusher in NCAA history. Where is the injury history? I believe he had knee issues in college. And two weeks with a high ankle sprain in limited action in his 1st year ain't a great start....you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 I believe he had knee issues in college. And two weeks with a high ankle sprain in limited action in his 1st year ain't a great start....you think? One ankle sprain doesn't scare me. If he gets another one next year, then maybe it's time to start being concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 The reason DeAngelo will get a significantly increased amount of touches is simply because we all saw what happens when he doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffian Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Williams' upside makes him a much better choice. Foster's chronic injuries make him a risk though he is a solid RB when healthy. I'd take my chances with Williams fo sho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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