tarantula Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 What team had the best O-line of all-time? Are the ''hogs '' the best; or could it be the Cowboys of the 90`s with Tuinei, Newton, Donaldson, Allen & Williams? Maybe it was The Steelers line of the 70`s or The Rams when they had Jackie Slater. Or do you have another O-LINE Iin mind that was the best of the best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Passing, running or combined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarantula Posted July 1, 2007 Author Share Posted July 1, 2007 (edited) Passing, running or combined? combined was what I was thinking. Guys that did it all well Edited July 1, 2007 by tarantula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 I am a Steeler fan but the best offensive line would have to be the 1972 Dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 90's cowboys... Then again, alot of that may have been credited to Jimmy Johnson, Troy, Smith, Irvin or whoever else you want to throw in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 The Jets in SB 3, Miami SB-7 but I think Oakland's in the 70's was the best I've seen. Dallas was good too, but Oakland did a pretty good job blocking the Steel Curtain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 dallas in the 90's. wash. and denver....... o gary, m anderson, draughens were made to look like supermen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Defenitly The Hogs. Got rings for 3 different QB/RB combos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'm not saying that they're the best ever, but the '02-'03 Chiefs had a stellar line: Future HOFers Willie Roaf and Will Shields, John Tait, Casey Wiegman, and Brian Waters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Not one mention of the 60s Packers? The Packer Sweep was a dominant game changing play that other teams knew was coming and simply could not stop. That other teams could not run the play effectively repeatedly says volumes about the Sweep. Same thing as the 'Skins' counter trey. It took a few years before O-linemen got agile enough for other teams to make that play an effective part of their offense. The 70s Bills' O-lines were devastating run blockers, absolute killers (pun intended). The Cowboys in the early 90s and Broncos in the late 90s were eye-popping good and couldn't be managed, either. DAL did it through brute force and DEN did it through guile. KC's O-line in this decade and BAL's O-line up to 2 years ago were dominant. Hard to not love IND's O-line in the protection they give Manning to cut up opposing Ds while still being effective in the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Hard to not love IND's O-line in the protection they give Manning to cut up opposing Ds while still being effective in the run. It's easy to pick a contemporary O-line but it's hard to argue against them. Other teams may have won more Super Bowls (Pittsburgh) or were dominant early (Packers) but Indy has allowed so few sacks over the last decade helping Peyton on his way to shatter every major passing record and paved the way for 9 (not unique) 1000+ rushers in the last 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) It's easy to pick a contemporary O-line but it's hard to argue against them. Other teams may have won more Super Bowls (Pittsburgh) or were dominant early (Packers) but Indy has allowed so few sacks over the last decade helping Peyton on his way to shatter every major passing record and paved the way for 9 (not unique) 1000+ rushers in the last 10 years. Sure, Tarik Glenn and Jeff Saturday are great. Ryan Diem is pretty good as well. Very good collection of talent, but there arguably isn't a single HOFer on that line. IMO, if you're going to have one of the greatest O-lines ever, you need at least one HOFer there. I'd say that the Colts O-line coach, Howard Mudd, is the key. Rick DeMulling was great in Indy's systemthe first time around, but absolutely sucked in Detroit. Ryan Lilja and Jake Scott aren't exactly considered top-tier talent, either. They also don't seem to suffer much when a backup, such as Dylan Gandy or Charlie Johnson, has to step in. Consider also that prior to last season, the Colts really struggled to run the ball in the playoffs at times. I'd say that Mudd and the skill-position studs make the O-line better than they would be on another team. Edited July 2, 2007 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) Sure, Tarik Glenn and Jeff Saturday are great. Ryan Diem is pretty good as well. Very good collection of talent, but there arguably isn't a single HOFer on that line. IMO, if you're going to have one of the greatest O-lines ever, you need at least one HOFer there. Tarik Glenn and Jeff Saturday might be on their way. Only in the last 3 years have they begun to be recognized for the Pro Bowl but if they keep their current pace... 5 Pro Bowls between them in the last 3 years... at least one will be a HOFer. Throw in a Super Bowl win, the offensive production since they became regular starters (Saturday in '00, Glenn in '97) and it will be very difficult to keep them out. Yes they struggled running in the playoffs for a few years but that hardly overshadows their other accomplishments and productivity over so many years... also rushing for 700+ yds in the playoffs on their way to a Super Bowl win kind of helps. It would be a travesty not to honor at least one of those guys with a HOF bid... the low sack totals, big seasons for 4 RBs, an all-time great QB/WR tandem. Edited July 2, 2007 by kingfish247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I am a Steeler fan but the best offensive line would have to be the 1972 Dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Pretty much all of these belong on the list. Offhand if I had to pick one it'd probably be early 90s DAL teams or the "hogs" - hon mention to early 70s Fins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Not one mention of the 60s Packers? The Packer Sweep was a dominant game changing play that other teams knew was coming and simply could not stop. That other teams could not run the play effectively repeatedly says volumes about the Sweep. Same thing as the 'Skins' counter trey. It took a few years before O-linemen got agile enough for other teams to make that play an effective part of their offense. Well of course, but people get tired of the team that invented the Lombadi Trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Tarik Glenn and Jeff Saturday might be on their way. Only in the last 3 years have they begun to be recognized for the Pro Bowl but if they keep their current pace... 5 Pro Bowls between them in the last 3 years... at least one will be a HOFer. If you're using Pro Bowls as a measuring stick for HOF status, these two are both sorely lacking. Especially considering that they're in their early 30's. For comparison's sake, Olin Kreutz and Kevin Mawae each have 6 Pro Bowl appearances and Matt Birk has 5. Jonathan Ogden, Willie Roaf, and Orlando Pace have 10, 11, and 7 appearances, respectively. Throw in a Super Bowl win, the offensive production since they became regular starters (Saturday in '00, Glenn in '97) and it will be very difficult to keep them out. Yes they struggled running in the playoffs for a few years but that hardly overshadows their other accomplishments and productivity over so many years... also rushing for 700+ yds in the playoffs on their way to a Super Bowl win kind of helps. I think it'll still be difficult for these two. As good as Glenn is, I don't think that anybody puts him in the same tier as Ogden, Pace, Roaf, and Walter Jones. And as great as Saturday has been recently, he didn't reach that level until a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Strickly a homer pick: the 1975 St Louis Cardinals. Had Tom Banks, Dan Dierdorff, and Conrad Dobler all make the Pro-Bowl that year as the Cards posted their best mark in St Louis (11-3). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarantula Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share Posted July 4, 2007 If you're using Pro Bowls as a measuring stick for HOF status, these two are both sorely lacking. Especially considering that they're in their early 30's. For comparison's sake, Olin Kreutz and Kevin Mawae each have 6 Pro Bowl appearances and Matt Birk has 5. Jonathan Ogden, Willie Roaf, and Orlando Pace have 10, 11, and 7 appearances, respectively. I think it'll still be difficult for these two. As good as Glenn is, I don't think that anybody puts him in the same tier as Ogden, Pace, Roaf, and Walter Jones. And as great as Saturday has been recently, he didn't reach that level until a few years ago. And you left out the best lineman of all-time in Larry Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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