mroban Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I know the dude has the starter reigns on the high power Martz offense in Detroit and should be able to put up some huge numbers. I still have Kitna on my roster and have considered keeping him along with Brady (still am actually). And with due respect to Kitna, he isnt a bad QB, but the dude is basically a glorified journeyman QB and Detroit thinks so highly of him that they drafted Drew Stanton in the 2nd round (when they need help at virtually every other position). If Detroit isnt sold on Kitna I certainly am not sold on Kitna either. I will admit, that if Kitna stays healthy he is likely to last the whole season at QB and put up big numbers. But they have Orlovsky and Stanton breathing down his neck (I have no idea how highly touted Orlovsky is at this point -- I gather not that high since again, they drafted Stanton in the 2nd round). Stanton is a very good prospect who is unlikely to carry a clipboard for more than 1 season behind a guy like Kitna. If he is progressing, doesnt it stand to reason that Detroit would give Stanton a shot sooner or later if Detroit starts out, say, 3-6? Isnt it a likely scenario that Detroit will start out 3-6 (or worse)? they still have an awful defense, huge question marks at RB and a slightly upgraded but hardly top rated O-Line. Their schedule isnt horrible -- I could actually see them having a 7-9 type season...but since its clear to me that the team WANTS Stanton to be the man at some point, at what point do the coaches make the move for the future and start building the rappoire between Stanton and CJ/Roy? Says here that Stanton has at least a 50% chance of being the starter by the end of the season -- which means that if you draft Kitna and want to rely on him all season, you will need to endure: a) the fact that he is only a mediocre QB; weathering a possible bad start with the inevitable call for the backups; c) Stanton pushing Kitna during practice and wondering all season if the plug gets pulled. Sure he might throw 30 TD passes this year (and 20 INTs to go along with it) but he might also play 8 games. Just something to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 "bust" and "Kitna" go together like ham and eggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I don't think he's a bust, but I think people are rating him a bit too high... I think he'll throw for 4k yards, but I don't think he tops 22 td's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Anybody could be a bust when it comes down to it. Kitna is a relatively talented QB (if he can just cut down on the turn overs) in a great situation. He SHOULD be able to make the most of it, but who really knows. I'll say this though... if Kitna ends up a bust this year in Detroit, there's just no way that Orlovsky or Stanton will do any better (not this year anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I absolutely love Kitna this year!!! Love him. He will be a Top 5 QB and a steal after the other big names are gone as he won't be too far from producing as well as the others do but gotten at a much cheaper price. In one of my leagues they don't even penalize for turnovers. So Kitna is golden there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I absolutely love Kitna this year!!! Love him. He will be a Top 5 QB and a steal after the other big names are gone as he won't be too far from producing as well as the others do but gotten at a much cheaper price. In one of my leagues they don't even penalize for turnovers. So Kitna is golden there. I agree he is money. Not top 5, but definitely top 10. Top 5 would be Manning, Brees, Palmer, Brady, Bulger Kitna falls somewhere in the 6-10 range IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 If he plays all year, he won't be a bust, but he's not flying under anyone's radar this year so his value is a little diluted. He certainly could be a top 5 qb. But I'm willing to bet that he's also a 5th or 6th rounder in most leagues. In other words, you'll have to let that RB3 or WR2 go by to get him, unless you're playing with pansies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 If he plays all year, he won't be a bust, but he's not flying under anyone's radar this year so his value is a little diluted. He certainly could be a top 5 qb. But I'm willing to bet that he's also a 5th or 6th rounder in most leagues. In other words, you'll have to let that RB3 or WR2 go by to get him, unless you're playing with pansies. I do have a couple pansies in my one local league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 "bust" and "Kitna" go together like ham and eggs. mmmm...Ham. Well, "bust" is relative to draft position. I can't see Kitna as a "bust" unless you're saying take him in the first 4 rounds. Because he's going to pass the ball. A lot. And he has guys that can catch and score. I don't buy that Stanton will play this season. Everything I've read about him is that he's got a lot of work to do fundamentally, etc. And, if Kitna is scoring, why push the kid out there? In Cincy they didn't with Kitna and Palmer in his first season and Carson was the #1 pick. And I don't think Orlovsky gives them any more of a chance, but I don't know him that well. If you're taking Kitna in the 6th or 7th round, I don't consider that a bust position. That's where I've been seeing him go in mocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 With Kitna, you get to wait until the 6th or 7th round to take a quarterback. Back him up well fairly early (10th round) with a quality backup and enjoy the ride. Can anything Kitna does really be considered a bust at this point in his career? I traded FOR Kitna in a keeper league, and he is currently on every roster I have drafted, so I can't tell you how wrong I hope you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I agree he is money. Not top 5, but definitely top 10. Top 5 would be Manning, Brees, Palmer, Brady, Bulger Kitna falls somewhere in the 6-10 range IMO. Kitna was #3 in my league last year behind only Manning and Brees. Now I know Palmer had his issues, and that Brady has Moss now but all three Palmer, Brady and Bulger played in every game last year and Kitna outscored them all. I stand by my top 5 ranking for him and even if he doesn't beat them out again he's still being drafted after them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Kitna, great for fantasy, but bad for the team. Still I seriously doubt Stanton starts unless Detroit is looking down the barrel of another 4-12 season. If they are around .500, which is very doable for them IMO, Kitna will remain the starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haywood Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) I'm not sold on Kitna either, but he'll remain the starter for a while if not the whole season. Stanton is injured and out at least a month, plus he doesn't know the playbook yet. I've always liked Orlovsky, but obviously the coaches don't or he would have gotten an opportunity by now. My thoughts are Kitna is gonna be on his ass a lot. Detroit's o-line is not very impressive and Kitna isn't mobile enough to buy time. Also, people have this idea that Calvin Johnson is gonna come in and blow up the scene. He's a rookie WR. I know he's a freak of nature, but he's a rookie WR who hasn't even reported to camp yet. I guarantee he'll make some big plays, but he also will be inconsistent, and to think he's gonna turn things around is ridiculous. I see Kitna putting up stats similar to last year, but if you think he's gonna be a probowler you're dreamin'. Edited August 1, 2007 by haywood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (if he can just cut down on the turn overs) and that right there is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsmayes Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Kitna starts the entire season if healthy, period. Stanton is the project QB for the future and needs at least two years carrying a clipboard. Orlovsky has zero chance of beating out Kitna. The lions coaching staff loves Kitna, they even said he was their starter at the end of last season. Kitna is going to throw for a ton of yards, his bust potential is tied to the amount of turnovers and touchdowns he gets. Kitna had 31 turnovers last year, thats like subtracting a TD off every game at 4 pts per passing TD. If your league doesn't have negative points for turnovers then Kitna gets a huge bump. In my league (keep 3 players) I can keep Kitna for a 14th round pick, but as a Lions fan I don't know if I can stomach it. Kitna's fourth quarter turnovers are supposed to be funny, but not if they're killing my fantasy team. If Kitna has a slight increase in TDs and a cuts down on the turnovers, he's a top 10 QB. I can't help but thinking that the every offseason the Lions offense is supposed to be good, but every year they can't run the ball and don't put up points. My prediction: the more things change the more they stay the same, the lions still stall out in the red zone, Kitna still craps the bed in the 4th quarter and the lions lose a bunch of games *again*. Lions fan out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Kitna CAN'T cut down on the turnovers. Do you think Martz's system is going to make him MORE careful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Kitna CAN'T cut down on the turnovers. Do you think Martz's system is going to make him MORE careful? Great point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsmayes Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 yeah, on the way home from work I remembered that the Lions defense is terrible, so the lions are always trying to come from behind at the end of the game, which means that Kitna has to force things. Add in the fact that the offensive line sucks, Kitna has no pocket presence and Martz's offense is all about long developing passing routes, and you've got turnover city. I agree, the turnovers aren't going anywhere and it effectively cuts his TDs in half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Kitna is around 9th out of my top 10.... I wouldn't mind him as a starter...if the rest of my team was the way I want it.... I mean he has Martz, a crappy defense and 3 very capable weapons at WR....not to mention if KJ comes back at some point ...in which I have no idea of his status or if he's 100% at this point.... I completely forget.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Kitna CAN'T cut down on the turnovers. Do you think Martz's system is going to make him MORE careful? he can keep up the turnovers....that just means he'll be throwing more later in the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soco Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I like him this year . he has the tools to be a good number 2 QB and could work his way into alot of fantasy rosters as a number 1 .I think Martz will make him better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 When it comes to a fantasy QB that I can get relatively late (5th round or later) that can score points, there is no better pick than Kitna. Last year I traded Wayne straight up for Kitna and it was the best move I made all season. How exactly are they going to be worse this year than last. Their Oline is going to be at least a little bit better, and CJ (I know he is a rookie) is an absolute freak and will make everyone forget who Furrey is. Kitna is on my rader this year big time and if I have a chance to get him when I draft in the 5th or 6th round I'm taking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 When it comes to a fantasy QB that I can get relatively late (5th round or later) that can score points, there is no better pick than Kitna. Last year I traded Wayne straight up for Kitna and it was the best move I made all season. How exactly are they going to be worse this year than last. Their Oline is going to be at least a little bit better, and CJ (I know he is a rookie) is an absolute freak and will make everyone forget who Furrey is. Kitna is on my rader this year big time and if I have a chance to get him when I draft in the 5th or 6th round I'm taking it. no need to forget Furrey when he's in the slot as another option ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 no need to forget Furrey when he's in the slot as another option ... Seems like a lot of people are falling asleep on Furrey this year. Nice late round grab at this juncture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Seems like a lot of people are falling asleep on Furrey this year. Nice late round grab at this juncture. yuup...him and Drew Bennett can be very capable slot wideouts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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