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Very Long, discusses his good friend Bill Walsh, Jim Otto's health, retired players, Randy Moss and Russell's contract and NFL gambling amongst other thigns. Good read:

 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl...ines-sports-nfl

 

Question: Did you go to Bill's house Saturday night?

 

Answer: "Yes. Yeah, we went down to see him. Yeah, went down to see him, spent about an hour to an hour and a half with him, John Madden and I. We drove down. Uh, yep. I've done it several times with several people. After awhile my contemporaries are just leaving me. I made the point to you, when I hired Lane Kiffin I brought out a picture from when I was an assistant coach at the University of Southern California. We had a truly great football team in '59. I think 22 people went on to play in pro football from that team. There was a picture on my table in my office, and I showed it to Lane. I showed it to him and I said, 'There's Don Clark, the head coach. He's gone. There's Marv Goux, who was an assistant coach. He's gone. There's Ray George, who was an assistant coach. He's gone. The great Mel Hine, who was one of the greatest centers of all time is gone. John McKay, who was our offensive coordinator -- I coached the defense - is gone. Jim Sears. What I'm trying to say to you, there was one coach left, and Lane looked at me. I said, 'But I'm not going anywhere, Lane. Don't worry about it.' It's just tough for me because we lose them and after awhile the phone doesn't ring from some of those people, and it's a deep loss. So, when I come to you today, I come to you mainly, though, I will talk to you, if anyone's got an idea. It would be fantastic, and we'll take care of it, the Raiders. I don't want to jeopardize anything that the 49ers are going to do but I believe that there should be some kind of award given to somebody that we can bring him into this Bay Area, get the people out, get you people out, bring back even all the old writers. We could have a lot of those guys who have been bought out or retired, the media people. So, that's where I am mentally on that. Did you have anything else, Sam? Yes, Bill."

 

Q: Did you regret not getting to play the 49ers in the 1983 season's Super Bowl?

 

A: "No, I want to win Super Bowls. I didn't care who we played. In fact, a lot of people, if we had played the 49ers in a Super Bowl, that would have been considered local cult. When we were playing the Redskins, we had the whole world, the whole country, the whole east, the Redskins were even favored, which is totally ridiculous, but the Redskins were favored. We had played them before in the year, in a very tough game that they won, but Marcus didn't play and two other outstanding players of ours didn't play in the game. We felt that we could handle the Redskins, really. We were very good, our '76 team and our '83 team. I don't know that anyone, I don't care who it is, was going to score many points on the '83 team, with Lester Hayes and Mike Haynes on the corners, and McElroy and Mike Davis at the safety positions, and Millen. They were tough. And Alzado, god almighty, they're mean. Howie was there. So, no, in all the years, we never played them in the playoffs or a Super Bowl, but we played them four times. I'll tell you a funny story, and it's true. We played them four times, and I had made the statement early on, and someone quoted me on it -- I think Bill Soliday did - that Bill Walsh reminded me of these great symphonies, where a guy stands up in front of the symphony and waves that wand, and that band plays on, that music is just beautiful and no one interrupts it. And I knew one thing when we played them, that early on our friend Joe had to go down because it not only affected Joe, it affected Bill. And by Joe, I mean Joe Montana. So, we used to play them a lot in the preseason, and Bill, ever Bill, would call Tom, Tom Flores, and say, 'Let's cut out the dogging in this game. Let's just go ahead and play basic defense in the secondary and see how good we are.' And Tom, agreeable Tom would say, 'That's great. That's a great idea.' And I'd say, 'What did we do that for?' But those are just memories and stories."

 

Q: Did you ever attempt to hire Walsh to coach the Raiders after he left the 49ers?

 

A: "No. No, there were times when we would talk, and he did recommend someone. One thing about Bill, good Bill, Bill would recommend his friends, God bless him. There was no one better than his friends, and he would recommend them. No, we had never reached that point. Maybe as a consultant. If Bill outlived me and something had happened to me, I told you the succession here is Carol Davis and Mark Davis to own the Raiders and run the Raiders. Certainly, John Madden would be considered. Ron Wolf is very close to Carol Davis. Certainly, Bill would have been considered as a consultant to them if I were gone, yes."

 

Q: Would it have worked with Walsh coaching a Raiders team overseen by you?

 

A: "Uh, yeah, it would. Let me say this. The technology that Bill used, he got from the Raiders. By technology I mean language that he used by calling plays and all of that and still we talk in language when we talk football, a very similar language on offense. And, yeah, it would work. As I say, I want to win. If I were coaching, and that's maybe a problem that I do have, when I do sign players or take players, I think of it as if I were coaching what I would do with them. Someone pointed it out, the difference between us was he believed in the quick strike. By that I mean the slants and the crossing patterns and all of those things that were newer to professional football. I believed in the vertical strike. It's quick but it's deep. Whereas I would throw the ball deep, as long as it's not an interception, I would throw the ball deep just to ... I wouldn't care about where they're located, who they are, they would have to prove to me that they can stop us from going deep. Yeah, we got along on football, even when we're talking today. He still thinks that the way he played with the 49ers, which is true, the two-back offense, would work in professional football today and that he could do it. He still believed that and there's no reason why he couldn't."

 

Q: Did Bill Walsh retire too early? A: Oh, yeah, he made a mistake. In my opinion? Oh, he knew he did. I bawled him out. He retired the night after we beat them in '88. We came up from Los Angeles, Mike Shanahan was the coach, and we played them here in San Francisco. We beat them in a real close game. I remember Mike Haynes had a real good game, he played Jerry Rice all over the field man for man. We had Bo Jackson. Marcus was hurt - Marcus had fumbled on about the 2 yard line while going in. But we beat them, and after that game they looked like they were out of it. And Eddie DeBartolo called Bill in, and they decided that Bill would retire after the season. And he called me that night when we got back to Los Angeles. You had to understand me, and I said, `What the ... did you do that for? I don't understand you. You're just emotional.' But he knew - and then they went on and won the Super Bowl - but he knew that he made a mistake. I think he's told you people that. He retired too early. He didn't need to retire. He still would have left a tremendous mark. Didn't they win a Super Bowl or two after he left? He didn't have to retire. But everyone goes to their own drummer. Everyone goes at it their own way.

 

Q: Did you try to talk him out of leaving the Raiders for the San Jose Apaches? A: Naw. Don't you remember when he made the statement? He wanted to be a head coach. He said, `This will determine whether football will ever go...' what do they call it down there, the South Bay? `My going to the Apaches will determine if football will ever be successful in the South Bay.' No, I didn't. We were not at that stage. Bill was not at that stage, where you could see greatness. Bill had to go through formative years with the (Bengals) and you could see him start to come on with his development of offense. And it was a development forced on him. He didn't have big guys to run the power running game. Well, he did have Isaac Curtis. And he didn't have the deep guys for the deep ball. And he started to throw short passes. Short passes to eat up the clock, move the football. As I say to you, when you're the head man, it's a lot different than when you're an assistant and all that. He had to go through that process when you're an assistant. At Stanford he did well. He overmatched all the people they were playing. They didn't know what he was doing. Really, they didn't. And he relished the fact that he's going to Notre Dame to play Lou, was it? Lou Holtz? Then he came to the 49ers and they weren't sure between DeBerg and Montana and DeBerg settled it for him by his antics. Joe came on and did great and he started winning, and started getting the players, and he became aware that you have to have players.

 

Q: How did you become aware of him as a potential assistant? A: He had been around quite a bit at Cal and Stanford, and I was well aware of what those schools were doing. I used to go up every Saturday when they'd play at home, and sit up in the end zone and watch who they were playing. Just watch. Relax. Even when I was coaching. I just knew about all those guys: Ralston. John was named head coach at Stanford the same day I became head coach and general manager of the Raiders. But I'd known John. Knew Vermeil, Mike White, Bill, that whole bunch. They were a group. I'm not sure you could pick out which one was going to jump out and be destined for greatness.

 

Q: What do you remember about him as an assistant? A: He was quiet. He was learning, and he was a good guy. He coached Tom Flores. I think Tom would give you great perspective; he was the quarterback and Bill was the backfield coach. But we had a great cornerback who's one of our scouts, Kent McCloughan, and Kent said to me the other day, `I'd say hello to Bill, and he'd say hello to me. But I'm not sure Bill really knew who I was.' Bill was quiet in the beginning. He was feeling his way. But he was good. He was a bright guy.

 

Q: What about his acumen as a GM? Did you guys ever talk trade? A: Oh, yeah, we'd talk trade. In fact we'd laugh about the two brains. He was offering me Fred Dean because he didn't think he could handle him. And I wasn't going to take Fred Dean because I was being loyal to Cedric Hardman, who helped get us to the Super Bowl in '80. This was '81 and he was going to give up Fred Dean when he got him because Fred was a little bit what you hear today as a guy who marched to his own drummer. Yeah, we talked trades many times. Sure did. It would be unfair for me to talk about trades of Montana or trades of Young, without (Bill) sitting here and nodding his head. But Young would know, Joe would know. But, yeah, we talked trades. Sure did. We talked football, players, personnel. When I took Ronnie - it was hard for me to believe but Ronnie Lott was sitting in my office down in Los Angeles, and I thought he had tears in his eyes. But he wanted a chance to play because people thought he was through. We thought he was beyond not being through - he was great. Tough guy. We signed Ronnie Lott, and he was comeback player of the year. I don't think Bill was with the 49ers - it was two years after he left, this was 1991. (Bill) encouraged me to take Ronnie. I called him and said, `What would you do? Would you take him?' I thought maybe I was ... lemme go to the next thing...

 

"We've lived day to day with another problem in our organization. Jim Otto had his right leg amputated above the knee. He is in a Salt Lake City hospital and there are a few things they're trying to clear up so that he could fly to his home in Auburn, at which time he will go through rehabilitation and prosthesis for his right leg. It's been, as you know with him, a tremendous fight. He's lived through it now for three years, day in and day out. But it finally came. He fought the amputation. He didn't want it. He fought it. But there was no other thing to do but to amputate. And Jack Tatum having a decent solution to amputation, if that can be held true, he went ahead and did it. And they did it about two weeks ago. We hope that nothing occurs with an infection or something like that that derails him. So we've lived with that, we've had one or two others in our organization with their families, people fighting for their life. It's been tough.

 

"Lane has done an excellent job of getting this team to a point. But we expect it, that's what we hired him for. He's just doing his job. The biggest thing I worry about is injuries. We got a chance, we've got some good players. We got a chance to show something, but I worry about injuries. And not ready to make any commentary on the team or anything like that.

 

"Culpepper, the only thing I'd say about Culpepper right now is he takes me back several years, we've had great success through the years with guys like Culpepper. Of giving 'em a little time to heal, a little time to get back in stride, not pushing 'em, not rushing 'em into something. And I don't have to tell of probably one of our greatest players, one of the great players of the National Football League, should be in the Hall of Fame, again I say - I blame it on you people, because you won't push the people out here, you watch and let that back East, every time you look up someone from Pittsburgh or someone like that - but Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls. I don't know how much more you can do in football. Jim Plunkett won the Heisman Trophy, Jim Plunkett won the Rose Bowl, but what I'm saying to you is we had great success with Jim, we had excellent success with Gannon, though we didn't win a Super Bowl. And we've had excellent success... We've always had a lot of quarterbacks around. In recent years we stopped that. And then the minute somebody gets hurt, we've found ourselves in trouble. If you remember, Gannon got hurt, we went to Tuiasosopo up in Detroit. In a short period of time in Detroit, he got hurt in the first quarter. And there we are with the guy from Notre Dame, playing quarterback, our third quarterback. And what I'm saying to you is that Daunte is gonna have to take a little time, we're gonna go slow with him. But he was a great talent. Whether we can get it back or not, it's worth the chance. I don't think - and I say this to you, and you'll make this decision on your own, because you guys are tough, too - that you judge a quarterback the way he practices every day. Actually what you're finding out a lot of times is what he can do and what he can't do. So you don't ask him to do that at some other time where he can become error-prone. The idea is to find out about every... Let him try everything right now and let's see what they can do, relative to the future. And we don't judge him every day. Maybe the coach does from time to time, cause coaches live in a different pressure cooker than I do. But I think you stop and watch and you wait and you see who can win for you. Who can help you win some games?

 

"And Andrew is just coming back. Andrew went through - what did Nolan Richardson call it down there at Arkansas, 30 minutes of hell or 50 minutes of hell, in basketball? Well that poor Andrew Walter last year got hit so many times, I don't think he knew where they were coming from. But what I'm saying is, he's gotta come back, we gotta bring him along, and he'll get his confidence back. And so I thought it was a tremendous opportunity on Culpepper, provided - and the doctors assured me, and I can't speak for doctors or the medical profession, but they assured me - that he's well. That his knee is well. And I think McCown gives us something that you all can see out there, the ability to just take off with that football, and they're not gonna be able to rush like crazy all the time, because they gotta worry about him. He can run 25 yards, boom, quick. Quick. And move that thing up the field.

 

"Other than that, I wanted to talk about one other thing, and then I'll answer any questions you have as long as I know the answers. I'm a great believer in the retired players, especially having been the commissioner of the American Football League, been a coach in the American Football League, and I believe that Gene Upshaw believes in the retired players, strongly. And Roger Goodell, to his credit, believes in the retired players, strongly. And there's a plan being floated right now that would give us an opportunity to take care of the retired players in four areas. One is pension. Two is medical. Three is disability, clear up the bureaucracy on the disability. And four, perhaps dire need if it's not charity. Dire need if it's not charity. By that I mean if somebody gotten a lot of money, made a lot of money, gone into business and lost his money in business, we can't take care of every charity case. It's those who didn't get the money in the early years who deserve it, who are the forerunners. Pensions are short, there's no question. Gene knows it, he's looking for a way. Roger knows it, he's looking for a way. And so I'm hoping that there's a couple ideas out there, that one of the ideas takes fruition and becomes a reality, and we're able to, I think, put this behind us. Because it's not fair. It's not fair to have the National Football League as someone who didn't take care of theirs when we should take care of our own. I strongly believe that.

 

"I strongly believe in the two Pro Football Hall of Fame satellites. One in Orlando - 40 million people go through Orlando a year. In Anaheim, 22 million people go through Anaheim in a year. That's what they tell us. And if we had two satellite Hall of Fames, very similar to the Hall of Fame in Canton, run by the Canton people, very similar, for the young people of America, people could take trips to, sponsor education going down there, trips for doing good in school, all of those things, I think we could raise an awful lot of money to help the retired players and of course Hall of Famers players too who need it. Other than that... I don't know if I've covered everything. John? Is there something to want me to cover?"

 

Q: Who would pay for this? A: I don't think it's my position right now to float the plan. There is a plan. Maybe I can get permission from Roger Goodell. "Now John is going back, John Madden, that big bus left Tuesday for the Hall of Fame and I'm not going back for the ceremonies. But when it comes time to float the plan, if that plan -- it's been accepted by a lot of people that it is the plan we are going to try to get -- then I would be happy to sit back and give it to you. I am just not ready to give it to you."

 

Q: Gene Upshaw is under fire from a lot of people, what kind of job do you think he's done? A: Well, I don't know who he is under fire from. Look, he's done a great job. It's not easy. you have to remember when he made the first collective bargaining with the owners, he got killed by some of the players. Now the present day players, I don't know how much better you can do. It is unbelievable, the amounts of money that was given out to rookies. And I am happy to do it if we have it – and we have it. So the National Football League should do it. But I think Gene has done an excellent job. I really do. I have to say I groomed him for it.

 

But he wanted that. He wanted to do that. I am happy he is there doing it. I am happy anytime an ex-Raider is doing something like that.

 

Q: Are you hopeful Russell negotiations will be concluded on time for him to get to training camp? A: Well, I wouldn't get into that. Let me make a point to you. The only thing I care about when it comes to signing of rookies, and we had 11 this year, and we have signed 10 of them. Our people did an excellent job. Maybe one or two other teams had 11 rookies. We had the most rookies.

 

Let me make this point to you. The two things I am always concerned about -- they are forfeiture and accountability. Whenever we give a bonus or money to a rookie and with the recent decision, the Lelie decision in court, option bonuses are very tough to get the money back if some player doesn't show up or some player wants to hold out or player tells the coach to go to hell, anybody who is not being able to be held accountable or being able to forfeit some of his money if he doesn't adhere to what he is supposed to do, that is what I am concerned about. Our only problem with the Russell contract is they want all the money as an option bonus and I will not do that. They have to be held accountable on forfeiture. The option bonus has to say, be it an option bonus or a regular bonus, a roster bonus.... That if he doesn't show up for training camp on time we can get some of that money back. They have to be able to be held accountable.

 

That's the only thing with JaMarcus. It's not money. That's ridiculous. It's the option bonus. They want all the money in option bonus. And they have the first choice they've ever had and they've got to come through with a decent deal otherwise they are done in the market. That is the story on JaMarcus.

 

Q: Are you hopeful you can get something done?

 

A: Am I hopeful? We drafted him with the idea he would be in camp and he will be. But we have had others before through the years and it's part of our business

 

Q: Is Lane Kiffen similar to Jon Gruden? A: No. They are not close

 

Q: Can you elaborate on what you like about Kiffin? A: No. Because I hired him already and haven't made a determination any different than when I hired him. I thought he was quick, bright, aggressive, on top of it. But he's got to win. No different than Jon Gruden, who didn't win his first two years. Those things happen. But they are different. Entirely different in my opinion

 

Q: Would you expect Daunte Culpepper to be ready by the start of the regular season? A: I can't make that determination yet until I watch him for awhile, until I see how McCown comes through or Andrew comes through. Josh has certain qualities we like that Gannon had. We have to see. We have to see. And it will be up to Lane. He's got to feel comfortable with the guy. But we want to give it some time. You've got to remember that, yeah, I don't know if I answered you but I am trying to…

 

Q: Has anyone structured a contract to recoup option bonus money the way you're trying to do with JaMarcus?

 

A: Yes. Of the first 15 signings, they tell me this now. I don't read this every night - really do have a lot of other things to do. But everyone has written their contract, there's no one who's written their contract where they couldn't recoup money. Now since the Lelie verdict and luckily we have some contracts out there where we can recoup the money because they were written before the Lelie verdict. I don't know if I'm being clear to you Carl, but with me, the money has never been a problem. The problem with me has always been forfeiture and being accountable.

 

Q: Have you spoken to JaMarcus, or do you leave that to the team of negotiators, coaches? A: No, I leave that to Lane. Lane talks to him and it's not a team, Lane is the one that talks to him. The negotiators don't talk to JaMarcus, they won't let him, Lane talks to him. I wouldn't want them to talk to him. I wouldn't want the negotiators for their side to think that our negotiators are trying to go behind them or anything. Lane talks to JaMarcus, concerned about him working out, staying in shape, taking a look at the book they might have given him .

 

Q: Did you give any advice to Lane? You were young back in '63, Gruden was young ... A: I'm different than Lane, entirely different. I see Lane as someone that was like one of our coaches, but I didn't give him any particular advice. What I'm most concerned about with the whole bunch is he's got 20 assistants. I had four, four assistants and myself, Lane has 20. But Lane has a good feel, an entire feel for the whole picture whereas Jon Gruden didn't. Jon Gruden was totally immersed in offense and in his first year or two turned the defense over in it's entirety to Willie Shaw. Whereas Lane is much more into all of the things. Much more involved in trying to learn the defense. It's not easy to learn the defense, the whole defense, exactly what they're doing and all of those things. Learn the plays, that's a big thing that they've got to do. he's trying to learn the plays. You can learn it from film but you've got to really learn it. If that answers your question, they're entirely different. Shanahan was closer to Gruden than Lane, but Mike was different too than Gruden. Mike has to play with a quarterback that can run. If his quarterback can't run, he doesn't like to play because he'll run the quarterback. Everyone said Plummer was going to be like Montana. But they couldn't win with Plummer, what they thought they should win. So they've given up on Plummer. It's not easy to find Joe Montana. There's a lot of guys that look like him but you've got to win.

 

Q: At what point did you decide to get rid of Randy Moss? A: At what point did I figure? Well that's different, OK. Again I go back to maybe I was thinking that if I were coaching. Maybe I felt if I were coaching that it would be different. I took Randy Moss because I had a big deep thrower in Kerry Collins and Norv Turner and I thought that he could fit in. but as we start losing and different things started to unfold and Randy got hurt. Say what you want, he's got to be healthy because his feet went on him. I wanted to do more or less wanted to do. If Lane felt that was best for the team right now I was going to do it. And we did it. We didn't get near what we should have. There were too many people behind the scenes kind of hurt us in our organization. So what I'm saying to you is Randy Moss, if he's well, can still play, in my opinion. Our coaches didn't think so. And I'm trying to say to you that that coach, it's not like you guys are in the press you write your stories, you shoot home. They're living in a submarine or a battleship. They're closed in, they've got no one to talk to but themselves and they begin the season. Randy Moss just couldn't get it done for us. Whereas Jerry Rice was going to get it done for Jerry Rice, for himself, for everyone. Just different personalities.

 

Q: Norv has a talented team, why didn't work here? A: I'm not going to get into that right now. That wouldn't be fair. I'm not emotionally involved right now with that. That's maybe for a book.

 

Q: What coach was Lane like? A: I wasn't going to say. I was just thinking that I haven't been asked that question in a while. I don't think so. Lane is different. He's different, he's different.

 

Q: Did you have an active role in Culpepper deal? A: Lane made the final decision but I wanted it to happen. I like to take chances like that. I don't know what the risk is. I don't see any real risk.

 

Q: Daunte compared to Plunkett? A: He can throw the deep ball as well as anyone. He had great years, just never had a chance. Jim Plunkett never had a chance where he was. That was unfair. Never had a chance. Then he went to the 49ers and they cut him. They said he was through. He was a beat guy. These guys get beat down in their mentality and their feelings and they're different people. Some people can get beat down. I said it to Bill Soliday. Some people believe they can dominate anything. Although I'm finding you can't dominate death, that's for sure, or sickness, disease. But I'm trying. Some people succumb and feel they can't get it done and can't do it and you have to bring them back and you have to give them confidence and you have to give them support. You have to fight with them. Actually they have to believe you're fighting with them to get something done. And Jim Plunkett sat the whole year in 1979, sat the whole year. I don't think he played much at all for us. Stabler wouldn't let him get into the game. In fact, there was a game in New Orleans where we were behind and we came back and won a night game and Stabler was hurt and Plunkett came in the game for one play. Stabler came off the field and came running back in and told Plunkett to head on out and he went out. But he came back and was a great player, a great player.

 

Q: What would a successful season mean to you? A: I don't want to get into that. I feel that we're an underdog right now. Every one of you have got me believing we're an underdog. I did feel and I have always felt this, that we can overcome anything. In 1980 we were picked last, we were picked last. There's no question about it. You can go back and get the clips from the newspapers, last in our division and we came out of nowhere in the middle of the season. We can't let this team in the first four games become a team that can't do it. We have to bring this team along with the idea that somewhere right in the middle about game five, six or seven, we're going to start to come around and make a run. That's where I am mentally. That's where I'm at all the time. You go back and look. I watched with Lane our 2004 game in Denver in the snow. You would never have believed that team couldn't win 10, 12 games the way Collins was throwing that ball to Porter. Curry made a one-handed catch in the end zone that only you put in highlight films. We did things in that game. You just wonder why we couldn't do it more often. You think you know, but that's something else.

 

Q: Any concerns that the NFL could find itself in a gambling scandal like the NBA's in? A: I don't think it was anything to do with self-employed. Let me just go back for a moment if you want to listen to me. In 1950, I was coming out of college and they had the scandals in New York City with the City College basketball team. Two of the guys on that City College basketball team who were in the scandals went to my high school, played with me in high school. I knew about Bradley University, Melchiorre and those guys. I knew about Kentucky. When you come off the street you know about dumping. Hell we used to have games in the park where there was dumping, what they called dumping back in those days. You asked me about the officials in the NFL. The only thing that I would say to you is I don't worry about gambling I worry about bias. I worry about bias. Because if you remember Sports Illustrated ran an article about officiating in the NFL. And one of the officials said, 'The only thing we're warned in our meeting be on the look out when you go to Oakland. Watch out when you go to Oakland.' I don't know if you remember that. But I probably could get the article for you. I worry about that because we were fighting with the league. All the officials come out of the league office, all the supervisors come out of the league office. And then Pereira the other night had no right to take on Amy Trask the way he did. I don't know if you know that. He's the head of officials and he took on Amy publicly. And I don't think he should of. You can say what you want, they can tell me about any rule they want. That tuck rule will live with me for a long time. John Madden it's the immaculate reception for me it's the tuck game. I don't think we have a problem gambling with our league. I really don't. I would tell you if I did but I don't. I worry about bias.

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