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Got home late, and looked at the NE/TB boxscore. No line for LMaroney. Did he play, and get no touches? Was he held out? What's the story? Still hurt, and masked under the cover of darkness we call Belichick?

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Got home late, and looked at the NE/TB boxscore. No line for LMaroney. Did he play, and get no touches? Was he held out? What's the story? Still hurt, and masked under the cover of darkness we call Belichick?

 

I believe he has only now stopped wearing the red jersey from his mystery shoulder surgery so I would not expect to see Maroney for much more than maybe a half dozen plays in week three.

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The same 30 year old Sammy Morris that has never done a thing? Riiiiiight....

 

Hes never been a full time starter. And while that may say something about him, he has always played pretty decent when he plays. All Im sayin is I bet he gets a lot more playing time than a lot of people are expecting. And you know what? If Im wrong, then I just wasted a really late draft pick on him. Late like last round late. Big whoop.

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Hes never been a full time starter. And while that may say something about him, he has always played pretty decent when he plays. All Im sayin is I bet he gets a lot more playing time than a lot of people are expecting. And you know what? If Im wrong, then I just wasted a really late draft pick on him. Late like last round late. Big whoop.

 

note to self..........Sammy Late......thanks Peep........ :D .........that's not sarcasm......he's on the radar now

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Hes never been a full time starter. And while that may say something about him, he has always played pretty decent when he plays. All Im sayin is I bet he gets a lot more playing time than a lot of people are expecting. And you know what? If Im wrong, then I just wasted a really late draft pick on him. Late like last round late. Big whoop.

 

Yeah he's good at what he does--spot play. He'll produce if Maroney is out for a week and get a handful of touches a game, but to expect him to come in and be the man if Maroney goes down for a long period is unrealistic...

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Yeah he's good at what he does--spot play. He'll produce if Maroney is out for a week and get a handful of touches a game, but to expect him to come in and be the man if Maroney goes down for a long period is unrealistic...

 

 

2 things -

 

1. I disagree, and I will just leave it at that. I think Maroney is being over rated a bit, and again, I just think Morris will play more than we think. Belichek has a pretty good understanding of the way he plays. He beat up the Pats last year when he was starting for the fish, so if you cant stop him, sign him.

 

2. I noticed your sig, and it sounds like you dont have Morris as a cuff. If not, you might wanna try to get him.

 

3. I know this wasnt supposed to be mentioned, but stop being a biased owner. :D

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I would not touch Maroney without getting Sammy Morris. Maroney was injured three times last year during part-time play and now he is a full-timer. It is certainly possible that Maroney takes a huge load with 320+ carries and some obscene TD's but with Belichick you just never know. Morris is a very prudent back-up to grab for any Maroney owner and someone I already have on two teams as part of my own running back depth because the Maroney owner in those leagues left him there very late in the draft.

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I would not touch Maroney without getting Sammy Morris. Maroney was injured three times last year during part-time play and now he is a full-timer. It is certainly possible that Maroney takes a huge load with 320+ carries and some obscene TD's but with Belichick you just never know. Morris is a very prudent back-up to grab for any Maroney owner and someone I already have on two teams as part of my own running back depth because the Maroney owner in those leagues left him there very late in the draft.

 

Ive actually snagged him before the Maroney owner got him in several leagues. I know that if Maroney goes down, Morris will be a very nice starter. I dont own Maroney in any leagues, and I obiously dont wish injury on anyone, but Maroney has a little track record goin on and if I can get a RB late in a draft that might eventually produce as a starter, well, thats the thing championships are made of. :D

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I'm with Peep on this one. If Morris becomes the starter for any reason, I think he'll do quite well. I think about any starting RB would do well in the NE offense this year, so it's as a much a nod to that as anything.

 

My point exactly. And since Maroney hasnt really exhibited great health, Morris is simply a guy I have targeted in most leagues Im in since you can get him super late.

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Let's see, Morris is not Maroney - agreed. But is Morris any better than Heath Evans who filled in for a couple of games in 2005 and had 102 and 95 yards in two games played? Is Morris any better than Patrick Pass who had a couple of games in 2005 of 153 yards and 89 yards? It really isn't about Morris, it is about the durability questions of Maroney and what happens in that offense if he is not there. Throw in that Belichick himself has expressed confidence in Morris and he becomes a worthwhile late steal and a prudent earlier pick by the Maroney owner IMO.

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...Morris any better than Heath Evans who filled in for a couple of games in 2005 and had 102 and 95 yards in two games played? Is Morris any better than Patrick Pass who had a couple of games in 2005 of 153 yards and 89 yards?...

Zactly... as a Dillon owner in '04 and '05, it was more than frustrating to see Dillon suit up but never play a down while watching a guy run all over opposing Ds who was bagging groceries or doing oil changes 4 weeks prior.

 

And Dillon didn't have near the injury history that Maroney has so early in their respective careers. I have a feeling that Maroney will be a huge headache for whomever takes him in the 1st/2nd round of redrafts.

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Let's see, Morris is not Maroney - agreed. But is Morris any better than Heath Evans who filled in for a couple of games in 2005 and had 102 and 95 yards in two games played? Is Morris any better than Patrick Pass who had a couple of games in 2005 of 153 yards and 89 yards? It really isn't about Morris, it is about the durability questions of Maroney and what happens in that offense if he is not there. Throw in that Belichick himself has expressed confidence in Morris and he becomes a worthwhile late steal and a prudent earlier pick by the Maroney owner IMO.

 

If Morris hadn't started in the NFL before, that might be a worthy comparison.

 

But Morris has started in the NFL in his career - he has 10 starts under his belt already (if you don't count 2 games in 2005 where he started vs NO & ATL but was pulled from the RB spot before he even accumulated 1 carry in either game), and he has averaged 55.3 ypg rushing, 14.8 ypg receiving, and amassed a whopping 3.81 ypc and an even more impressive 5.69 ypr. In those 10 starts, he has had as many fumbles as he had total TDs (3).

 

Morris has had several opportunities to prove himself at the NFL level. He didn't get it done. To think that he'd suddenly have FF value and be a legit starter just because he's moved up to NE is playing against the odds, and if a FF team has to resort to starting Morris, chances are, 1) Their season is already a lost cause because they don't have enough depth on the bench to start someone else who could put up better stats, and 2) They pissed away a roster spot that could have been used on a player with a better chance of making an impact.

 

Now, if he's a handcuff to Maroney in a deep league, I could understand a last round flyer on him. But where rosters are at 2X the number of starters or less and teams aren't required to start 7 or more RBs/WRs with 3 or less starting RBs, I find it hard to believe he has any reasonable value.

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If Morris hadn't started in the NFL before, that might be a worthy comparison.

 

But Morris has started in the NFL in his career - he has 10 starts under his belt already (if you don't count 2 games in 2005 where he started vs NO & ATL but was pulled from the RB spot before he even accumulated 1 carry in either game), and he has averaged 55.3 ypg rushing, 14.8 ypg receiving, and amassed a whopping 3.81 ypc and an even more impressive 5.69 ypr. In those 10 starts, he has had as many fumbles as he had total TDs (3).

 

Morris has had several opportunities to prove himself at the NFL level. He didn't get it done. To think that he'd suddenly have FF value and be a legit starter just because he's moved up to NE is playing against the odds, and if a FF team has to resort to starting Morris, chances are, 1) Their season is already a lost cause because they don't have enough depth on the bench to start someone else who could put up better stats, and 2) They pissed away a roster spot that could have been used on a player with a better chance of making an impact.

 

Now, if he's a handcuff to Maroney in a deep league, I could understand a last round flyer on him. But where rosters are at 2X the number of starters or less and teams aren't required to start 7 or more RBs/WRs with 3 or less starting RBs, I find it hard to believe he has any reasonable value.

 

Now I am not saying that Sammy Morris is any LT equivalent, only that given the opportunity in NE should Maroney be injured, he will definitely be worth having. Again - Evans and Pass did nicely in that offense and even you must agree they are nobodies.

 

Yes, Morris has a 3.9 yard rushing average over his entire career as a sometimes starter, mostly back-up/relief player.

 

Since we are talking about his ability to step in and cover for Maroney, let's only consider the games where he had more than 10 carries:

 

2004

 

week 6 18-91

week 7 28-83

week 8 11-48

week 9 16-56

week 16 17-69

week 17 12-89

 

2006

 

week 12 12-91

week 13 12-47

week 14 25-123

week 15 20-71

 

For a total of 171 carries for 768 yards and a ypc of 4.5

 

Both of those seasons came in MIA where you cannot, in any way, say that the offense he played in was remotely as good as he would have in NE.

 

If he gets the opportunity in NE, he will definitely have fantasy value and will do something with it if only because any RB in that offense and system does something with the opportunity. But it depends on the health of Maroney.

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Now I am not saying that Sammy Morris is any LT equivalent, only that given the opportunity in NE should Maroney be injured, he will definitely be worth having. Again - Evans and Pass did nicely in that offense and even you must agree they are nobodies.

 

Yes, Morris has a 3.9 yard rushing average over his entire career as a sometimes starter, mostly back-up/relief player.

 

Since we are talking about his ability to step in and cover for Maroney, let's only consider the games where he had more than 10 carries:

 

2004

 

week 6 18-91

week 7 28-83

week 8 11-48

week 9 16-56

week 16 17-69

week 17 12-89

 

2006

 

week 12 12-91

week 13 12-47

week 14 25-123

week 15 20-71

 

For a total of 171 carries for 768 yards and a ypc of 4.5

 

Both of those seasons came in MIA where you cannot, in any way, say that the offense he played in was remotely as good as he would have in NE.

 

If he gets the opportunity in NE, he will definitely have fantasy value and will do something with it if only because any RB in that offense and system does something with the opportunity. But it depends on the health of Maroney.

 

If you consider games where he started and got more than 10 carries, you are excluding games where he started and clearly couldn't get the job done - so much so that he couldn't be trusted to get 10 carries - presumably because of poor performance early on in the game. Whether that has to do with lack of success running, or running the wrong play, or being incapable of pass blocking and getting his QB killed on passing plays, or some combination - that he started 5 games where he got 7 or less carries in 12 games as a starter is just as telling as his lack of success overall as a starter.

 

Just looking at optimum circumstances for him makes him look great - it makes a lot of RBs look great who wouldn't have a chance of being a good starter in the NFL - even for the mightiest of mighty Patriots.

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If you consider games where he started and got more than 10 carries, you are excluding games where he started and clearly couldn't get the job done - so much so that he couldn't be trusted to get 10 carries - presumably because of poor performance early on in the game. Whether that has to do with lack of success running, or running the wrong play, or being incapable of pass blocking and getting his QB killed on passing plays, or some combination - that he started 5 games where he got 7 or less carries in 12 games as a starter is just as telling as his lack of success overall as a starter.

 

Just looking at optimum circumstances for him makes him look great - it makes a lot of RBs look great who wouldn't have a chance of being a good starter in the NFL - even for the mightiest of mighty Patriots.

 

I took every game with ten or more carries - how more objective can you get? I could have used the couple with 9 which were just the same. It appears no objective stats will satisfy you and that is okay but I was not looking for special circumstances to make him look good, just every time he had use of any measure for what was a rather pathetic MIA offense in those years. If anything, the comparison is not valid because he is going to such a better offense that it is apples and oranges to compare what happened in MIA behind that offensive line and with those sub-standard QBs at the helm of a sub-standard passing game.

 

We'll see.

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I took every game with ten or more carries - how more objective can you get? I could have used the couple with 9 which were just the same. It appears no objective stats will satisfy you and that is okay but I was not looking for special circumstances to make him look good, just every time he had use of any measure for what was a rather pathetic MIA offense in those years. If anything, the comparison is not valid because he is going to such a better offense that it is apples and oranges to compare what happened in MIA behind that offensive line and with those sub-standard QBs at the helm of a sub-standard passing game.

 

We'll see.

 

I don't understand why you won't give credence to a player who has 12 starts in his career, but can only play in those games long enough to get double digit carries in 7 of them - barely more than half. He had to get pulled in the other starts because he wasn't doing his job as a starting RB, despite the opportunity. If he were even mediocre, he would have gotten a lot more work.

 

I agree, we'll have to see. I do have a feeling we'll get a chance to see this season. Maroney's shoulder and the mystery of its condition is concerning me more & more. There's only one way for a RB to get ready to NFL level contact, and that's to experience it. That NE is talking of limiting his carries severely even in week 3 of the preseason ought to be troubling any Maroney owner right now, and I agree that if rosters permit they ought to be rostering Morris, even if he has a substandard performance as a starter.

 

:D

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