Grits and Shins Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 In my local 12 team league we have 4 owners that draft remotely and the rest of us gather at my house for the draft. Several years ago we started rolling the dice to determine draft position. There were several advantages to this ... draft position was determined prior to the draft allowing the software to be set up before the draft AND the owners that were drafting remotely could roll their own dice (instead of having a card drawn for them that they can't see). Our draft is this coming Friday. I have been sending emails out at regular intervals telling owners that if they did not roll by end of day 8/10 that I would roll for them 8/11. I sent an email out early 8/10 saying that I would roll for 5 owners and named the five owners if they did not roll by EOD. One of the five rolled. I rolled for the other 4. I had the rolls emailed to the owner in question and to another owner in the league. The rolls resulted in the owners getting the 2nd, 5th, 9th and 11th draft spots. I sent an email out to the league telling everybody their draft spot and division alignment. The next day I get a frantic email from the owner that landed 9th saying he rolled the dice on 8/2 (he also called, but I was on another call and he left a message). His roll puts him at 7th instead of 9th. The reason I never got his roll ... because he sent it to an invalid email address. Our rules state: Rolls are not official until received by the commissioner and validated. Any roll that does not adhere to the parameters set forth in this document will be deemed invalid and not accepted. Now I trust this owner and believe that he rolled the dice as he specified ... I don't doubt his honesty. The rules are pretty straight forward and leave no room for me to accept his roll. I feel kind of bad when it is clearly an honest mistake ... but if the honest mistake had been the other way and his roll would have put him at 11 would he have notified me? Is it out of line for me to allow him to move up to 7th if the two owners in between agree? Am I being too much of a hard ass holding the letter of the law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 nah. He'll understand unless he's a tool. And if he's a tool, who cares what he says? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Furley Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I think you have to stick by the rules. Regardless of how he feels, I'm sure your leaguemates, and he, will respect your decision. They should be thankful that they have a commish that follows the rules as closely as you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicster Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I think simply explaining that you understand his position, but that he has to understand yours as well as commissioner. You have to follow the rules set forth, and if you begin to allow for "certain" situations, then you open yourself up to all kinds of trouble. I just would explain that, while you believe that he did make the roll, you also stated plainly in the subsequent follow-up emails that he was one of the ones you had not received a roll from. Surely, if you had called him out by name prior to the rolls being made and he still made no effort to clear up the confusion, then I see no way you can allow his previous roll. I would think that after I had believed to have sent in my roll, and I received an email from the commish that I hadn't sent one in, I would probably begin making an attempt to get the situation rectified. Not waiting until a day or two afterwards to get it fixed. (Unforeseen circumstances aside, i.e. he was on vacation and didn't get the emails until too late.) Hope this helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 i bet he wouldn't have complained if you had rolled a higher # for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 (edited) Whats the difference between 7 and 9. I say stick with the rules. Next time make him tell you, " Blitz, you dumb sh*t, take my call now. " And not let you get put off to take another phone call. Edited August 14, 2007 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyOne Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Is it out of line for me to allow him to move up to 7th if the two owners in between agree? Yes. Am I being too much of a hard ass holding the letter of the law? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Looks pretty cut & dried, Blitz. I would think a prick like you would enjoy enforcing a rule that is so simple & straightforward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REZ Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 You did your part by sending out at least a couple of emails saying you hadn't received his dice roll. He should stay with 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Is it out of line for me to allow him to move up to 7th if the two owners in between agree?Am I being too much of a hard ass holding the letter of the law? Completely. Unless all 12 owners agree, where an owner drafts affects the whole league. All you can really do is explain to him that he needs to draft ninth unless he can get the league to agree that he can draft seventh. It's not worth trying to bend the rules over something like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 There really isn't even a reason to have that particular language in your rules unless you are addressing this exact scenario that has occurred. I would say to stick to the rules, or get everyone in the league to agree to edit that sentence out of the rules completely and then give this guy a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewer Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Whats the difference between 7 and 9. I say stick with the rules. Next time make him tell you, " Blitz, you dumb sh*t, take my call now. " And not let you get put off to take another phone call. That is the best post that I have ever read from Sgt. Ryan. Of course you had to edit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Our rules state: Rolls are not official until received by the commissioner and validated. Any roll that does not adhere to the parameters set forth in this document will be deemed invalid and not accepted. That is the key to the whole issue. If he emailed you on 8/2, he should have expected a validation of some sort shortly thereafter. The fact that he didn't call or email you a couple days later, saying "Hey, did you get my dice roll?" falls on his shoulders, not yours. He knew that that roll had to be validated, and didn't follow-up to ensure that it was. If I emailed something as important as a draft roll to a commissioner, and heard nothing back, I'd have been on the horn shortly thereafter. But thats just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 (edited) You know it's amazing to think that Grits is willing to go against the stated rules in the league and allow a guy the 7th pick after he rolled him the #9 but yet he won't take me off his ignore list. I know he's a good guy deep down inside, just waiting to see a gesture of it towards me. Also waiting for my Weekly Blitz invite or is it that you just haven't sent any of them out yet? Edited August 16, 2007 by irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbimm Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 You know it's amazing to think that Grits is willing to go against the stated rules in the league and allow a guy the 7th pick after he rolled him the #9 but yet he won't take me off his ignore list. I know he's a good guy deep down inside, just waiting to see a gesture of it towards me. Also waiting for my Weekly Blitz invite or is it that you just haven't sent any of them out yet? The last thing you want to do is try to take my title! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 That is the key to the whole issue. If he emailed you on 8/2, he should have expected a validation of some sort shortly thereafter. The fact that he didn't call or email you a couple days later, saying "Hey, did you get my dice roll?" falls on his shoulders, not yours. He knew that that roll had to be validated, and didn't follow-up to ensure that it was. If I emailed something as important as a draft roll to a commissioner, and heard nothing back, I'd have been on the horn shortly thereafter. But thats just me. Right on, also this: I sent an email out early 8/10 saying that I would roll for 5 owners and named the five owners if they did not roll by EOD. Tells me that according to blitz, this guy received this email and was listed as one of the 5, after he supposedly did his roll. Ignore the commish at your peril. Also, swapping slot isn't simply an issue for the teams in between the swap. How about the teams in the divisions? I wouldn't want to follow the rules, get a high pick and find the guy in my division is jumping from 10 to 7 (or whatever) withouth my being consulted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 The last thing you want to do is try to take my title! I would love the opportunity to, however Grits is a gudge-holder and probably won't let that happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I would love the opportunity to, however Grits is a gudge-holder and probably won't let that happen. Let it go dude. No one gives a ratsass except for you. And as for the original question from Blitz, I'd say 345.40973495034534 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Let it go dude. No one gives a ratsass except for you. And as for the original question from Blitz, I'd say 345.40973495034534 And that's all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhoops Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 You did your part by sending out at least a couple of emails saying you hadn't received his dice roll. He should stay with 9. Pretty Clear.....your roll stands. And unless he is a new owner why is he sending it to a invalid email.....pretty lame excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull739 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Rule number 1: Obey all rules. Stick with it or the rule breaking snowball gets rolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted August 19, 2007 Author Share Posted August 19, 2007 You would not believe how much this owner whined and complained about getting "pricked". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 You would not believe how much this owner whined and complained about getting "pricked". Throw him out. Tell him to play by the rules and to stop b1tchin'. I know you got the balls to do it Grits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelhead Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Tell him where to stick it. Him not emailing you after your email about the rolls is bs. lazy guy deserves the slot he gets. Plus it's only 2 later than what he rolled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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