i_am_the_swammi Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 If true, the guys should never play another down of NFL football again....barred for life, period. Falcons' Vick accused of executing dogs By LARRY O'DELL, Associated Press Writer RICHMOND, Va. - Two of Michael Vick's alleged cohorts in a grisly dogfighting case pleaded guilty Friday, and one said the Atlanta Falcons quarterback joined them in drowning and hanging dogs that underperformed. A statement signed by Phillips as part of his plea agreement said Vick participated in the execution of about eight dogs, some by drowning and hanging. "Phillips agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick," the statement said. Phillips and Peace also backed Taylor's assertion that Vick was involved in gambling. "The 'Bad Newz Kennels' operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick," statements by the two men say. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070817/ap_on_...Z7wGXlfrSME1vAI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 If Vick pleads guilty I think that he will never play another snap in the NFL. What a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Is it 9 AM yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 If Vick pleads guilty I think that he will never play another snap in the NFL. What a waste. And if he doesnt plead guilty, he will go to jail for more than a couple years. He is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Is there anyone here who thinks Vick isn't arrogant enough to think he can beat this thing if the offer in the plea agreement involves anything more than 1 year in jail and/or Goodell has told him that he'll be out of football for 2 or more years if he's found guilty? He needs to listen very, very carefully when his lawyers start talking about RICO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Good. If this stuff is true, this animal deserves everything he has coming to him. And may his roommate be a well hung angry individual with HIV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Good. If this stuff is true, this animal deserves everything he has coming to him. And may his roommate be a well hung angry individual with HIV. Who just happens to be a pit bull lover. Imagine the possibilities of THAT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 He needs to listen very, very carefully when his lawyers start talking about RICO. DING DING DING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Is there anyone here who thinks Vick isn't arrogant enough to think he can beat this thing if the offer in the plea agreement involves anything more than 1 year in jail and/or Goodell has told him that he'll be out of football for 2 or more years if he's found guilty? He needs to listen very, very carefully when his lawyers start talking about RICO. I don't think he's that stupid. I would actually go so far as to say the only thing left to do is negotiating the sentence for the guilty plea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Good. If this stuff is true, this animal deserves everything he has coming to him. And may his roommate be a well hung angry individual with HIV. You forget to add "member of the Aryan Nation" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTen Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 (edited) Is there anyone here who thinks Vick isn't arrogant enough to think he can beat this thing if the offer in the plea agreement involves anything more than 1 year in jail and/or Goodell has told him that he'll be out of football for 2 or more years if he's found guilty? He needs to listen very, very carefully when his lawyers start talking about RICO. Problem with a plea is that the judge can basically set the punishment he wants even if the pros and def agree on something. And from what I hear, the judge is a real barn burner when it comes to punishment. I hope he does not plea and gets hammered. Edited August 17, 2007 by BigTen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Is this what you mean by RICO? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Inf...ganizations_Act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTen Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 He needs to listen very, very carefully when his lawyers start talking about RICO. RICO is very hard to prove in court from what I hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Problem with a plea is that the judge can basically set the punishment he wants even if the pros and def agree on something. And from what I hear, the judge is a real barn burner when it comes to punishment. I hope he does not plea and gets hammered. I actually think it would be more fun if he & his lawyers busted their balls working the Feds for a deal for 18 months & then the judge threw the agreement aside & sent him up the river for 4+ years. I'd love to be in the court room watching his face when he heard the judge speak under those circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 RICO is very hard to prove in court from what I hear. The gambling angle would give the Feds the leverage they need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Is this what you mean by RICO? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Inf...ganizations_Act Yup! Based on the face of what I've seen, you have gambling and movement of those funds in a financial institution (a form of Money laundering). There are two right off the top that qualify for RICO charges. Add to that the Forfeiture provisions and this is going to devistate the scumbag if he wants to try to take it that far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 State of Virginia is filing charges too now. Bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I'm beginning to think his negotiations with the Feds are going better than they are with the NFL, which is why nothing has been announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I actually think it would be more fun if he & his lawyers busted their balls working the Feds for a deal for 18 months & then the judge threw the agreement aside & sent him up the river for 4+ years. I'd love to be in the court room watching his face when he heard the judge speak under those circumstances. I thought I heard that his attorneys are split...he has like four? Two were for plea...and two were for fight....WHATEVER. Dude better plead quick while the charges do not include RICO charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I thought I heard that his attorneys are split...he has like four? Two were for plea...and two were for fight....WHATEVER. Dude better plead quick while the charges do not include RICO charges. I agree with you. I would have to think 2 years (and the end of his pro football career) give or take would be appropriate punishment for him. I can't see 25 years being just punishment - as heinous as the crimes described are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Good. If this stuff is true, this animal deserves everything he has coming to him. And may his roommate be a well hung angry individual with HIV. You forget to add "member of the Aryan Nation" Not likely... everyone knows that skinhead nazis are so filled with hate because of their... lack of talent below the waist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Not likely... everyone knows that skinhead nazis are so filled with hate because of their... lack of talent below the waist. Uhhh - and how would a person know something like that again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownsfan420 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 (edited) Problem with a plea is that the judge can basically set the punishment he wants even if the pros and def agree on something. And from what I hear, the judge is a real barn burner when it comes to punishment. I hope he does not plea and gets hammered. BigTen is absolutely right. Vick is totally screwed. If he doesn't cop a plea, he will do 5+. Rico is difficult to prosecute. With witnesses already testifying that Vick was the bank in this scheme, the federal prosecutors have an excellent case. If any of that money made it's way to any type of financial institution, he will be found guilty. A guilty verdict from a RICO case will involve significant forfeiture of Miss Vicki's assets as well. They haven't even talked about any potential federal tax evasion charges or Viginia state animal cruelty charges. Edited August 17, 2007 by Brownsfan420 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Uhhh - and how would a person know something like that again... Because when I'm walking down the sidewalk through skinhead territory I occassionally ask those guys to show me their junk. How else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I don't think he's that stupid. Oh I don't know, I think he's pretty stupid. Possibly stupid enough to think he could hire some high-priced lawyers and beat all the charges "just like O.J. did". He's shown a LOT of poor judgement lately. I was convinced he would cop a plea today, now nothing would surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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