IrishPride Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I missed a whole year while I was serving in Iraq, I watched football but watching and being involved in the FF community is completely different. I was just wondering if the top ten backs have gotten that much better or Alexander has gotten that bad? I'll Give you LT,SJax,LJ but Alexander is't being talked about as a top five in most league's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Welcome back and thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Alexander gets dinged for his age and coming off an injury that still has at least minor question marks around it. Just as important, he no longer has as good an offensive line as he did pre-'06 and that figures in as well. Lastly, SA got to romp twice annually over SF, STL and ARZ and those three teams are no longer the defensive doormats of the league - all three have improved while SEA hasn't even remained as good. SA is still the man in SEA and the offense revolves around him, but it is not nearly as wonderful as situation as it was 2005 and before. And thanks for your service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 lost Steve Hutchinson broke his foot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Broke his foot last year. Is getting older. Has lost key offensive linemen. Downgrade at #1 WR now that DJax is in SF. ARI, SF and STL are all better defensively. And, thank you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 lost Steve Hutchinson broke his foot plus he's carried a full load since 2001...on top of those things... LT has carried the load since 2001, but his situation remains great and he has a minimal injury history... Alexander's stock has gone down for a multiple of reasons....and combined, they cause his value to decrease... but it started with the loss of Hutchinson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Here's a top 10 list: 1. Lost his all-pro OL Hutchinson. 2. Broke his foot. Still questionable if it's fully healed. 3. QB Hasselbeck (turns 32 next month) coming off injury as well. 4. Traded away their best WR (Jackson). 5. Best TE (Stevens) is gone. 6. Signed a huge contract extension in 2006. 7. Team's window of opportunity probably passed for Championship caliber play. 8. Turns age 30 this month (August). 9. Divisional teams not doormats anymore. 10. Only averaged 2.9 YPC before the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishPride Posted August 18, 2007 Author Share Posted August 18, 2007 Thanks guys, all great info and as always right on the money.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Here's a top 10 list: 1. Lost his all-pro OL Hutchinson. 2. Broke his foot. Still questionable if it's fully healed. 3. QB Hasselbeck (turns 32 next month) coming off injury as well. 4. Traded away their best WR (Jackson). 5. Best TE (Stevens) is gone. 6. Signed a huge contract extension in 2006. 7. Team's window of opportunity probably passed for Championship caliber play. 8. Turns age 30 this month (August). 9. Divisional teams not doormats anymore. 10. Only averaged 2.9 YPC before the injury. Id think #5 is a plus for Alexander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I glad you all feel that way because i got him at #8 and will do it anytime he falls that far. Thank You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I glad you all feel that way because i got him at #8 and will do it anytime he falls that far. Thank You. I'm counting on one of you being in every league I am in this season. So far, so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Do know who Frank Gore is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I'm counting on one of you being in every league I am in this season. So far, so good. I love seeing players like SA and Edge go in the 1st round.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I love seeing players like SA and Edge go in the 1st round.... People seem to be picking SA higher than I like him, but I haven't seen Edge go in the 1st round in any draft thus far. Regardless, I still think SA is great value at the end of round 1. I think there are safer picks in the top 8 or so, but amongst all the valid concerns about SA's output, you can't dismiss the fact that the O-line problems last year were more than just missing Hutch. Due to injury the O-line didn't gain semblance of a consistent starting four until the very end of the season, I think they had about 10 different starting O-line combos last year. SAs average output after his foot injury was still respectable and then improved dramatically during his last 4 games of the season which included a 140 2TD performance against San Diego and a 108 yard 2 TD performance at Soldier Field in the playoffs. 1500 yards and 15 TDs is well within the realm of possibility and I'll take that any day in the latter half of Round 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 People seem to be picking SA higher than I like him, but I haven't seen Edge go in the 1st round in any draft thus far. Regardless, I still think SA is great value at the end of round 1. I think there are safer picks in the top 8 or so, but amongst all the valid concerns about SA's output, you can't dismiss the fact that the O-line problems last year were more than just missing Hutch. Due to injury the O-line didn't gain semblance of a consistent starting four until the very end of the season, I think they had about 10 different starting O-line combos last year. SAs average output after his foot injury was still respectable and then improved dramatically during his last 4 games of the season which included a 140 2TD performance against San Diego and a 108 yard 2 TD performance at Soldier Field in the playoffs. 1500 yards and 15 TDs is well within the realm of possibility and I'll take that any day in the latter half of Round 1. I agree with everything you said except the last line. Your projected numbers for SA are not some much well within reach, rather they are his ceiling in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 IMO, SA has at least one (and maybe as many as three) good-to-great years left in the tank (minimum 1200 combined yards and 10+ TDs). After that, he'll need to take a Jerome Bettis role, or retire ... imo ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Here's a top 10 list: 1. Lost his all-pro OL Hutchinson. 2. Broke his foot. Still questionable if it's fully healed. 3. QB Hasselbeck (turns 32 next month) coming off injury as well. 4. Traded away their best WR (Jackson). 5. Best TE (Stevens) is gone. 6. Signed a huge contract extension in 2006. 7. Team's window of opportunity probably passed for Championship caliber play. 8. Turns age 30 this month (August). 9. Divisional teams not doormats anymore. 10. Only averaged 2.9 YPC before the injury. You guys just don't understand Shaun. You can throw 9 of these things completely out the window. It comes down to one thing. Shaun got paid. Everybody who has followed Shaun's career closely understands exactly how scary this small fact can be to his career. Shaun is done. Will never play in more than 12 games again and will not play hard in more than five games per year. I may consider taking him at #12 or so, but anywhere above that, he is wayyyyy to much of a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 You guys just don't understand Shaun. You can throw 9 of these things completely out the window. It comes down to one thing. Shaun got paid. Everybody who has followed Shaun's career closely understands exactly how scary this small fact can be to his career. Shaun is done. Will never play in more than 12 games again and will not play hard in more than five games per year. I may consider taking him at #12 or so, but anywhere above that, he is wayyyyy to much of a risk. This touches on my main concern with Alexander. I just don't think he is "hungry" enough to sustain the level of play people are expecting. He will probably have a season similar to the last, numbers wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Your projected numbers for SA are not some much well within reach, rather they are his ceiling in my opinion. I disagree. He has a favorable rushing schedule and I think it's entirely to difficult to project his ceiling until we know how effective or ineffective a healthy and consistent O-line (minus Hutch). His solid numbers he put up at the end of last year were against some of the best run defenses in the NFL. You guys just don't understand Shaun. You can throw 9 of these things completely out the window. It comes down to one thing. Shaun got paid. Everybody who has followed Shaun's career closely understands exactly how scary this small fact can be to his career. Shaun is done. This was the first year he stayed in Seattle for off season training and there have been numerous reports saying he is in the best playing shape of his career. I have always been bewildered how much people read so much into his happy-go-lucky personality. His career performance speaks for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I disagree. He has a favorable rushing schedule and I think it's entirely to difficult to project his ceiling until we know how effective or ineffective a healthy and consistent O-line (minus Hutch). His solid numbers he put up at the end of last year were against some of the best run defenses in the NFL. This was the first year he stayed in Seattle for off season training and there have been numerous reports saying he is in the best playing shape of his career. I have always been bewildered how much people read so much into his happy-go-lucky personality. His career performance speaks for itself. He doesn't really have a great rushing schedule. Look at it a little closer he's in the bottom half of the league in terms of a good schedule, 16-20 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 He doesn't really have a great rushing schedule. Look at it a little closer he's in the bottom half of the league in terms of a good schedule, 16-20 range. For some reason I thought Dorey's EOS had him as one of the easiest, apparently not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 For some reason I thought Dorey's EOS had him as one of the easiest, apparently not. That changes things just a bit, you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 That changes things just a bit, you think? Somewhat. I'm not sure a lot of people realize the massive amounts of injuries to key starters the Hawks had last year at every offensive position (except for maybe fullback) and how much it hampered their offensive output. I still think that Seattle is one of the better offenses in the NFL and SA is still a workhorse RB. 1500/15 might be a little optimistic, but I think it's an unreasonable to call it a ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I will put any amount of money anybody wants to put on Shaun Alexander being a top-10 back. He is done and I would be very happy to become rich off of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I agree with everything you said except the last line. Your projected numbers for SA are not some much well within reach, rather they are his ceiling in my opinion. Man you guys are all stepping all over each other as you bail of the SA bandwagon- I think he will bounceback, and have a hugh season. He had a nice end to the season- and Holmgren even admitted he didn't use him enough. The offense is gonna be potent, he is a TD machine..... somewhere in the hood of 1300-1500 yds and 15+ TD's - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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