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Special Teams or RB score?


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How do most of you guys score it when a RB takes a direct snap on 4th down in a fake punt formation and takes it for a TD. Most of the time the RB who scores is not someone who will be on a fantasy team, but it can happen and did in our league last year, so I am thinking of proposing a rule change.

 

Currently, that score would go to the team who has the D-ST of that team. I feel it should go to the RB (and no, it was not me who had the RB take a fake punt in).

 

Way I feel is that unless a ball is kicked or punted, or an attempt is blocked, you really dont have a special teams play. Its an offensive play with a formation that looks like a punt/field goal (thus my thinking of the RB getting the TD in the above example, not ST).

 

But I could be incorrect in thinking this way if there is an "official" definition of what constitutes a special teams play. Is there one out there. I googled it, and couldnt find anything helpful.

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in my league they both get a TD. the defense gets one because it is a defensive unit that is on the field and the guy with that RB gets one because all RB's get 6 points for scoring a TD. same is true on punts and kickoffs. Special Teams get 6 and the RB/REC gets 6.

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It's only a special teams play when the ball is kicked past the line of scrimmage.

 

A ball snapped directly to a back in punt formation and run is no different than a team "going for it" on 4th down. The formation does not make it a special teams play.

 

Similarly, if a punter or a holder takes the snap and runs or passes for a TD it is not a special teams play - it's a normal play from scrimmage. It only becomes a special teams play when the ball is kicked beyond the line of scrimage.

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It's only a special teams play when the ball is kicked past the line of scrimmage.

 

A ball snapped directly to a back in punt formation and run is no different than a team "going for it" on 4th down. The formation does not make it a special teams play.

 

Similarly, if a punter or a holder takes the snap and runs or passes for a TD it is not a special teams play - it's a normal play from scrimmage. It only becomes a special teams play when the ball is kicked beyond the line of scrimage.

Agreed.

 

In our local, the DEF/ST does not get the score, the individual get scored based on rushing/receiving/passing, whatever it is. For both yardage and scoring a TD (if applicable).

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Glad this one came up...No special team score since the ball never crossed the line of scrimmage. When you think special teams you think of a RETURN of some kind. PR,KR or if the PR fumbles THEN it would be a special teams score if it was returned for a TD..

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Glad this one came up...No special team score since the ball never crossed the line of scrimmage. When you think special teams you think of a RETURN of some kind. PR,KR or if the PR fumbles THEN it would be a special teams score if it was returned for a TD..

I disagree with this one. I consider a special-teams play if the ball is kicked. If the kicked ball is blocked and a score results from this, I still consider that a ST TD, even if the blocked ball did not cross the line of scrimmage.

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I disagree with this one. I consider a special-teams play if the ball is kicked. If the kicked ball is blocked and a score results from this, I still consider that a ST TD, even if the blocked ball did not cross the line of scrimmage.

 

This scenerio also qualifies, I just didn't list all the ways ST scoes are counted. We have always had arguments about blocked punts that end up recoverd in the endzone i.e. zero yard punt return. Way too many rule changes and screwy plays in 14 years to get in to.

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A fake punt is an offensive play from scrimmage. The intent of the play is to gain positive yardage, first down, score.

 

A Special Team play is one were an intentional surrendering of possesion is going to occur. Even a field goal attempt or drop kick is an intentional surrendering of possession, but with the possibility of scoring 3 points as well. A short field goal attempt/drop kick can be returned or fair caught (which is not generally smart to do) by the receiving team.

 

Not many people know that after a fair catch, you can attempt a free kick from the spot for a field goal. I have not seen this done in my lifetime (at the pro level), but it is still in the rules.

 

So, in other words, it is an offensive play and should be awarded to the running back! The punter becomes a QB if he throws a pass for yardage and/or a TD. This too, even though it may be a broken play, is an offensive play and he should get the individual points and they should not become points scored for special teams either! :D If he is takled for a loss and change of possession, it is considered a sack for the defense.

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Not many people know that after a fair catch, you can attempt a free kick from the spot for a field goal. I have not seen this done in my lifetime (at the pro level), but it is still in the rules.

John Madden often cited this rule. And I saw it attemped once several years back. It even can be done if time expired on the clock.

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In our league there is only 1 "offensive ST formation" kickoffs. Punt formations, Field Goal plays are all considered offensive formations.

 

The easy part is that because it's D/ST, that team is always the one NOT snapping the ball but is defending against an Offensive play, or lining up to receive a non-snapped play: a kickoff.

 

My local also rewards dual points: if Hester takes a KO back for a TD, and you have him playing as a WR both he as a WR and the Bears ST get the TD.

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Wow...I thought this thread died...I saw one response after a couple of hours, so I guessed people really werent interested...came on here this morning and saw all the good insight! :D

 

My feeling is with the majority. The ball needs to be kicked (or an attempt blocked) for a special teams play to take place. If neither happen, you have an offensive play with a formation that looks like a punt or field goal.

 

Now I have enough to go to my league for a potential rule change..thanks all!

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I disagree with this one. I consider a special-teams play if the ball is kicked. If the kicked ball is blocked and a score results from this, I still consider that a ST TD, even if the blocked ball did not cross the line of scrimmage.

 

What if a punter is tackled and fumbles before he actually punts the ball? Would you consider that special teams?

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What if a punter is tackled and fumbles before he actually punts the ball? Would you consider that special teams?

No special teams play there. The defense gets a fumble recovery if they recover the ball. (And it is not a sack since no pass was going to be attempted)

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It should be a running play. Your league has to specify that this example will be a D/ST play for it to be recorded that way. Your league can do anything they want, but technically it's an offensive play.

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No special teams play there. The defense gets a fumble recovery if they recover the ball. (And it is not a sack since no pass was going to be attempted)

 

Got ya...kind of my feeling too, but just wanted to throw out a very unconventional possibilty because I know these are all goign to come up...thanks!

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