Dr. Rock Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 3rd down for the Giants. Eli gets the Packers to jump on the hard count, completes a pass to Shockey for the 1st down. Shockey then gets hit with a delay of game call for spiking it. The announcers (Buck and Aikman) said, as I also believed, that the Giants would still get the first down, but lose yards on the Shockey call. But the refs said that there were offsetting penalties, and 3rd down would be replayed. The Giants of course, ended up not getting the 1st and having to settle for three. You could read Coughlins lips, "the play was over!!" And even a few plays later the announcers were still saying they believe the Giants got hosed. So? Did we get screwed there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 3rd down for the Giants. Eli gets the Packers to jump on the hard count, completes a pass to Shockey for the 1st down. Shockey then gets hit with a delay of game call for spiking it. The announcers (Buck and Aikman) said, as I also believed, that the Giants would still get the first down, but lose yards on the Shockey call. But the refs said that there were offsetting penalties, and 3rd down would be replayed. The Giants of course, ended up not getting the 1st and having to settle for three. You could read Coughlins lips, "the play was over!!" And even a few plays later the announcers were still saying they believe the Giants got hosed. So? Did we get screwed there? Maybe. But Shockey is still a retard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Seems wrong but they said that the officials got it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Could Coughlin have declined the offsides part and have the rest stand with the delay of gain penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 I didn't see it ... but it seems to be as if the 1st down was made and the penalty should be enforced after. What is curious is the words "offseting penalties" which means there was also a defensive penalty on the play ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rock Posted September 16, 2007 Author Share Posted September 16, 2007 I didn't see it ... but it seems to be as if the 1st down was made and the penalty should be enforced after. What is curious is the words "offseting penalties" which means there was also a defensive penalty on the play ... There was - like I said, Eli got the pack to jump offsides on the hard count. Buck said they got a hold of Mike Pereria, the head of officials, and he said that it should be treated like any other penalty, if there's two they offset. Which if that's the rule, then at least the refs didn't screw up. But if that is the rule, it's a terrible rule. It means that the Packers actually saved themselves giving up a first down by jumping offsides! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 I didn't see it ... but it seems to be as if the 1st down was made and the penalty should be enforced after. What is curious is the words "offseting penalties" which means there was also a defensive penalty on the play ... Packers were offsides when the play started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Yeah,. the Packers jumped offsides on a hard count so they say it is offsetting penalties adn a 'do-over'. No he couldn't deline the offsides since it was offsetting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giants56 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 It seems weird to me because if there had not been a penalty against the Packers the Giants would have had a first down but because the Packers were offsides the play doesn't count at all?? Seems stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Yeah.. that is weird to be rewared for committing a penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Packers were offsides when the play started. There you have it ... when the defense is off sides you get a free play ... unless you also commit a penalty in which case the penalties are offsetting and the play is re-played. So Shockey was an idiot and his team paid for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rock Posted September 16, 2007 Author Share Posted September 16, 2007 There you have it ... when the defense is off sides you get a free play ... unless you also commit a penalty in which case the penalties are offsetting and the play is re-played. So Shockey was an idiot and his team paid for it Certainly, Shockey was stupid. But I wouldn't be complaining if he, say, had offensive pass interference. This was a dead ball foul AFTER the play. It shouldn't bring the play back, it should just cost them yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Certainly, Shockey was stupid. But I wouldn't be complaining if he, say, had offensive pass interference. This was a dead ball foul AFTER the play. It shouldn't bring the play back, it should just cost them yards. I agree - either a bad rule or a bungled call. IMO penalizing Shockey for that little bit is utterly stupid as well, but that's neither here nor there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Explain that piece of garbage Toomer trying to hurt Barnett... I rarely root for injuries but I hope Toomer blows out both knees... Trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Explain that piece of garbage Toomer trying to hurt Barnett... I rarely root for injuries but I hope Toomer blows out both knees... Trash. I agree - I actually hope he runs into Shockey blows both knees and the Shockey's head falls off and we never have to that tard again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfish2 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 It seem to me that if the def. jumps offsides and the play is not blow dead you have the right to accept or decline the penalty. I would assume that the Giants would decline the penalty and take the play. Now with the delay of game for spiking, thats a dead ball foul, which is a 5yrd automatic. I think the way the NFL rule is on spiking the ball is that they cannot take away a first down. For instance, this case. First down was made, play counts, but because the ball was spiked the penalty is 5 yrds from the end of the play. But I didn't see it so who knows.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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