Easy n Dirty Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 As a lifelong fan of the soon-to-be 4-2 Jets, I hate the Patriots as much as anybody, and I hate to give UT and his ilk an excuse to blow their trumpets any more than they already do, but I heard some stats on the Pats' offense this morning that blew me away. Brady is sporting a completion % just shy of 80%, having thrown only 12 incompletes so far this season. But the stat that really got me was regarding Randy Moss - Brady has targeted Moss 18 times through 2 games this season - 1 pass was intercepted, and each of the other 17 resulted in a completion to Moss. That's amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinatieri Is God Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 They've been pretty impressive so far. O-Line is really doing a nice job also. Let's hope the injury bug stays away. Long season. Good luck to your Jets the rest of the way (except Dec 16th) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Brady's completion percentage is just under 80% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhoops Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 They've been pretty impressive so far. O-Line is really doing a nice job also. Let's hope the injury bug stays away. Long season. Good luck to your Jets the rest of the way (except Dec 16th) Like the Avi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilwiggum Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 They also have yet to incorporate Stallworth as much in the offense. The Indy game will be good indicator to see who has a better offense. They match up pretty well I think now: Indy: Harrisson, Wayne, Gonzales, Clark, Addai PATS: Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Watson, Maroney I think Welker is better than Gonzales (right now), but Addai is better than Maroney. The remaining comparisons are very close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Brady's completion percentage is just under 80% Amazing what you can do when you know what defense is coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share Posted September 21, 2007 I think Welker is better than Gonzales (right now), but Addai is better than Maroney. The remaining comparisons are very close. I'd say Reggie Wayne is better than Stallworth by leaps and bounds...just as the Pats defense is better than that of the Colts by a large margin. Pats have the better team right now IMO. Now I gotta' go wash my mouth out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilwiggum Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I'd say Reggie Wayne is better than Stallworth by leaps and bounds...just as the Pats defense is better than that of the Colts by a large margin. Pats have the better team right now IMO. Now I gotta' go wash my mouth out. I fear Bob Sanders right now. The guy killed the PATS last year. The PATS historically have had trouble with Clark and Stokely so if Gonzalez can step into that Stokely role, it could be big trouble. The PATS LBs could not keep up with those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilwiggum Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Amazing what you can do when you know what defense is coming. True. But Moss was still able to beat Triple Coverage against the JETS, so even when the defense has the coverage it doesn't matter these guys are still good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilwiggum Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I'd say Reggie Wayne is better than Stallworth by leaps and bounds...just as the Pats defense is better than that of the Colts by a large margin. Pats have the better team right now IMO. Now I gotta' go wash my mouth out. You're right, I agree with you on Wayne, now, let's see their numbers though at the end of the season. I think Harrisson/Wayne's totals will be in line with Moss'/Stallworths by the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinatieri Is God Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 (edited) Amazing what you can do when you know what defense is coming. For the Pats / Jets re-match, I'd love to see our D-coordinator holding up a big sign with the coverage on it. Just to see if the Jets could make an adjustment and look nearly as good. Whaddya say?? Edited September 21, 2007 by Vinatieri Is God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 My biggest question is, when is the last time Moss was healthy an entire season. Now that Moss is motivated and healthy, that offense is extremely good. However, if you remove Moss from the equation, then it suddenly becomes very average. I just think the majority of this offense is Moss right now. Having said that, Brady may not be getting his due over the years. As a matter of fact, when I think about the Patriots success, I think alot more of the credit needs to be given to Brady than Belichek. Belly damn near let him go years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudolefty Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 The Pats passing game is scary right now. Brady finally has some viable weapons and he's taking it to another level. Moss has reawakened, but I think Welker has really added alot to that offense. He moves the chains, is reliable, and is very elusive. Tough guy to cover and then tackle after the catch. The running game hasn't been all that impressive to date, but they haven't needed it the way the passing game is lighting it up. As good as the Pats are, I'm predicting a letdown this week against the Bills. They were jacked up for the Chargers and the cheating scandal. I can't see them being nearly as motivated against the Bills. They're still the superior team and should and probably will win, even with a letdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I fear Bob Sanders right now. The guy killed the PATS last year. The PATS historically have had trouble with Clark and Stokely so if Gonzalez can step into that Stokely role, it could be big trouble. The PATS LBs could not keep up with those guys. It would be interesting to see if the Colts would go into 4-WR sets with both Clark and Gonzalez in the slot. And speaking of mismatches, it'll also be interesting to see if Indy's Cover 2 will actually do what it's supposed to do (not give up the big play) against Moss. I wouldn't bet on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 How does removing Moss make them "very average"? They were better than average last year with Brady throwing to nobody . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 For the Pats / Jets re-match, I'd love to see our D-coordinator holding up a big sign with the coverage on it. Just to see if the Jets could make an adjustment and look nearly as good. Whaddya say?? That's kind of stupid. I don't think the Patriots will start holding up signs with the defensive calls on them. You can suggest it to the Patriots if you want, but I doubt they'll listen to some anonymous guy on a fantasy football website message board. I just think it's interesting that a team that has been proven to cheat by stealing defensive signals has a quarterback with an 80% completion percentage. It just makes me wonder what the completion percentage would be for other 31 NFL quarterbacks if they didn't have to go through the hassle of actually reading the defense and adjusting to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilwiggum Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 The Pats passing game is scary right now. Brady finally has some viable weapons and he's taking it to another level. Moss has reawakened, but I think Welker has really added alot to that offense. He moves the chains, is reliable, and is very elusive. Tough guy to cover and then tackle after the catch. The running game hasn't been all that impressive to date, but they haven't needed it the way the passing game is lighting it up. As good as the Pats are, I'm predicting a letdown this week against the Bills. They were jacked up for the Chargers and the cheating scandal. I can't see them being nearly as motivated against the Bills. They're still the superior team and should and probably will win, even with a letdown. Belichick likes keeping his RBs fresh for later in the season, I am sure Maroney's workload will increase as the season moves on and the games get closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I fear Bob Sanders right now. Who doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fballfreak Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 (edited) That's kind of stupid. I don't think the Patriots will start holding up signs with the defensive calls on them. You can suggest it to the Patriots if you want, but I doubt they'll listen to some anonymous guy on a fantasy football website message board. I just think it's interesting that a team that has been proven to cheat by stealing defensive signals has a quarterback with an 80% completion percentage. It just makes me wonder what the completion percentage would be for other 31 NFL quarterbacks if they didn't have to go through the hassle of actually reading the defense and adjusting to it. So according to your asinine post the Pats also cheated against the Bolts last weekend. Edited September 21, 2007 by fballfreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 So according to your asinine post the Pats also cheated against the Bolts last weekend. I think we have to assume they are cheating until proven otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 How does removing Moss make them "very average"? They were better than average last year with Brady throwing to nobody . . . Let's just say their passing game last year scared no one. Do the numbers say they were better than average last year? Maybe. I'll give the statistacal nod to you on that one. But you can't tell me that Welker makes the passing game in NE that much better than last year's. It's probably the same as last years at best without Moss. You know as well as I do that Moss is making a huge difference in the passing game this year and without him that Patriots enitre O suffers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fballfreak Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I think we have to assume they are cheating until proven otherwise. Oh ya they were cheating so bad last weekend against SD any football fan who didn't see it is just an idiot. RIght? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Oh ya they were cheating so bad last weekend against SD any football fan who didn't see it is just an idiot. RIght? No. Of course no one saw it. If every football fan saw it, they would have gotten caught again. I'm not saying the Patriots are bad cheaters, I'm saying they are good cheaters. Take it as a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I just think it's interesting that a team that has been proven to cheat by stealing defensive signals has a quarterback with an 80% completion percentage. It just makes me wonder what the completion percentage would be for other 31 NFL quarterbacks if they didn't have to go through the hassle of actually reading the defense and adjusting to it. But they've been doing it for years! Why hasn't Brady's completion % been near 80% for the duration? What about the other teams that have been stealing signs (as many football insiders have alluded to) - why aren't they completing 80% of their passes? I love how people seem to think that because the Pats are the only team that got caught, they must be the only team who's cheating - that's straight up idiocy. I also love how people seem to think that stealing defensive signals *automatically* means that the sign thiefs are able to put this supposed advantage to use week in and week out and, essentially, know every defensive formation before it materializes in front of them. I heard a nice interview with Urlacher the other morning where he more or less dismissed the whole thing b/c he didn't see any way that knowing another team's signals could provide a big benefit b/c the defensive units themselves don't even get the signals until they see what formation the O puts out there - the thrust was that there's simply not enough time to react. I think it sounds all well and good in theory that stealing defensive signals is a huge advantage, but I think people just aren't thinking about it from a practical standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Let's just say their passing game last year scared no one. Do the numbers say they were better than average last year? Maybe. I'll give the statistacal nod to you on that one. But you can't tell me that Welker makes the passing game in NE that much better than last year's. It's probably the same as last years at best without Moss. You know as well as I do that Moss is making a huge difference in the passing game this year and without him that Patriots enitre O suffers. Of course it would suffer w/o Moss (as any team's O would if it lost its best playmaker), but that's not what you said - you said that the O becomes very average, which I disagree with. Welker and Stallworth are both upgrades at WR over last year and, to be honest, I think that Sammy Morris is an upgrade over Dillon b/c of his versatility in the passing game. I'd think that losing Moss would drop the O from "excellent" to "good". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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