dabuffbills Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 37 yards?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate lookin' at 40 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Don't know, but I'm lovin' it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Just got sacked for a safety... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss6 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 61 yds now -- wash is kicking his arse Lemon has 120 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 washington defense is playing very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Well now that WAS appears to have the game pretty much in hand, here's hoping for some garbage-time yards to at least make Kitna's numbers look a bit more respectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose228 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 He has about 1.3 seconds to throw...If they had an o-line it would be scary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfbccab1 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Really? This is brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 The Redskins were able to put tremendous pressure on Kitna rushing only the 4 down lineman, dropping seven into coverage, Sega!, toward the end of the game, the Redskins were only rushing 3 and they were still getting to Kitna. I'm pretty surprised at this, given all the early round draft picks the Lions used to bolster the offensive line. Its not like they spent their first two picks on a WR and a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Kitna is vastly overrated and Sunday's result is typical of what we should expect against better defenses. The o-line is porous, he's a statue and he throws too many picks. He's the kind of player I hate to have on my team -- impossible to predict when to start or bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 This just in... the Redskins scored again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Kitna is vastly overrated and Sunday's result is typical of what we should expect against better defenses. The o-line is porous, he's a statue and he throws too many picks. He's the kind of player I hate to have on my team -- impossible to predict when to start or bench. Even though he is on pace for over 4200 yards and 26 TD's? Oh..and he had over 4200 yards and 23 TD's last year. I would say someone who has owned him for the last 2 seasons would read your post and wonder how you came up with this conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policyvote Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Yeah, the Lions' OL looks like poop against this front four, and they have a great secondary to boot. This was an awful matchup. It's looking like the key to victory against the Lions is have a front four than can generate a pass rush without blitzing, because Kitna simply won't have the time to wait for a wideout to get open. The Bears did it for three quarters, and the Redskins did it for four. I would have to say right now that if you have Kitna, check the opposing teams' DL before starting. Peace policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxfactor Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I'd be worried if Kitna was my only starter. I'm lucky to have him and Romo in one league. At the rate he's getting pounded, he'll be lucky to make it to week 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Even though he is on pace for over 4200 yards and 26 TD's? Oh..and he had over 4200 yards and 23 TD's last year. I would say someone who has owned him for the last 2 seasons would read your post and wonder how you came up with this conclusion. If you look at his career stats, last year's numbers certainly weren't the norm, and I also happen to see that your forgot to mention that even in his "banner year" last year, he threw 22 picks. Everyone's high on Kitna because of the WR's and the pass first offense. He's been sacked 24 times in 5 games, his numbers will decline if he survives, and he won't end up a top fantasy QB imo. The O-line and lack of run support will be his demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 (edited) If you look at his career stats, last year's numbers certainly weren't the norm, and I also happen to see that your forgot to mention that even in his "banner year" last year, he threw 22 picks. Everyone's high on Kitna because of the WR's and the pass first offense. He's been sacked 24 times in 5 games, his numbers will decline if he survives, and he won't end up a top fantasy QB imo. The O-line and lack of run support will be his demise. 1. No ,last years stats were not the norm for his career. but as a Lion it seems to be the norm. 2.No,I did not mention his INT's from last year. I also did not mention his 68 % completion rate this year. 3.Lack of run support is what will keep him a fantasy starter.it is what will make him have to throw more often. as well as playing from behind.I love my Lions..but our 3-2 record is a mirage. there is gonna be plenty of garbage time yards for him and the dropoff from Garbage time throws to games they are in won't be much... as have you have said...they are a pass 1st team. 4. As far as injuries goes...he has stayed pretty healthy behind some pretty bad lines in his career(see Seattle).all QB's can be injured by 1 hit so worrying about a injury to him is no different than worrying about any other QB (outside Peyton and Farve). I aint saying Kitna is Dan Marino mind you. I am just saying there is not 10 better fantasy QB's in football. and if you are in the top 3rd in the league...you are solid. and Kitna is a solid QB. Edited October 8, 2007 by Doc Holliday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 (edited) He's on pace to break David Carr's single season "most sacked" record of 76. Stupid neg. points for sacks in one league, combined with his quota of 2 fumbles lost per game is killing me. Too many deductions from even his big yardage games. I knew what I was getting with him, and I'm mostly pleased...but the OL is going to get him killed and he needs to protect the ball better. Edited October 8, 2007 by Hitman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 He's on pace to break David Carr's single season "most sacked" record of 76. Stupid neg. points for sacks in one league, combined with his quota of 2 fumbles lost per game is killing me. Too many deductions from even his big yardage games. I knew what I was getting with him, and I'm mostly pleased...but the OL is going to get him killed and he needs to protect the ball better. Yeah..he needs to tone down his TO's. I feel bad that you get deductions for sacks because that is gonna be a all season long thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I play in a league that scores -3 for picks. He was the #9 QB in our league last year and is #11 as of today. He's streaky, look at his numbers from week 10-15 last year, they were pretty bad. Granted he was awesome the first 4 weeks this year, but again he's too unpredictable and with all those sacks I doubt he will last the whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I play in a league that scores -3 for picks. He was the #9 QB in our league last year and is #11 as of today. He's streaky, look at his numbers from week 10-15 last year, they were pretty bad. Granted he was awesome the first 4 weeks this year, but again he's too unpredictable and with all those sacks I doubt he will last the whole season. These are the same things that were said last year. I defended it then and still do. That being said..I understand your worrying about the sacks and injury. I just don't have those same worries myself. when I look at him I see a QB in a Martz offense(whose QB's always produce fantasywise)..I see a QB who has excellent WR's and is just now getting its starting back ready to go full time. I see a QB that is gonna get a ton of garbage time stats. then I look at his stats and am happy to have him.Although I only have him in 1 league (and it is a 32 team league)as he went earlier than I was willing to take him this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I see a QB that is gonna get a ton of garbage time stats. Well, since sacks and INT's count as garbage time stats, I guess you're going to be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Well, since sacks and INT's count as garbage time stats, I guess you're going to be right. Glad you find yourself funny.I was wondering who that 1 person was. Or maybe I was talking about some of those 4000 yards and 26 TD stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Glad you find yourself funny.I was wondering who that 1 person was. Or maybe I was talking about some of those 4000 yards and 26 TD stats? Just busting your balls. Your points are valid, more or less. I just don't see him being a top 10 QB when all is said and done, too many things going against him. But we can respectfully disagree, nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Just busting your balls. Your points are valid, more or less. I just don't see him being a top 10 QB when all is said and done, too many things going against him. But we can respectfully disagree, nothing wrong with that. Not at all. and I totally understand your postion...just defending mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stand10 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Kitna is vastly overrated and Sunday's result is typical of what we should expect against better defenses. The o-line is porous, he's a statue and he throws too many picks. He's the kind of player I hate to have on my team -- impossible to predict when to start or bench. Start him every game....How is that immpossible to predict? 1 bad game in 5? I'd take it. If I didn't have Romo I would be all over Kitna. 16 pts off peyton and Kitna was picked with what a 8 rd pick? Manning # 1st or 2nd rd.. Kitna is a stud 1. 1. Brady, Tom NEP QB 149 29 29 36 27 28 2. 2. Romo, Tony DAL QB 130 44 22 25 39 3. 3. Anderson, Derek CLE QB 121 13 43 22 20 23 4. 4. Manning, Peyton IND QB 116 29 18 16 31 22 5. 5. Favre, Brett GBP QB 112 8 29 32 25 18 6. 6. Palmer, Carson CIN QB 106 19 53 19 15 B 7. 7. Kitna, Jon DET QB 100 30 16 29 21 4 8. 9. Manning, Eli NYG QB 96 36 14 15 11 20 9. 10. Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB 96 30 16 13 23 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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