Menudo Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Apologies if this has already been posted, but, I didn't see anything on the front page. 1. Bill Belichick, Patriots. His spy techniques need work, but his three Super Bowl rings with the Patriots speak for themselves. 2. Tony Dungy, Colts. He is consistent, confident and unflappable, and he demands excellence without demeaning his players. 3. Mike Shanahan, Broncos. His resume shows one losing season in the past 12 years, but after an ugly home loss two weeks ago, we'll see if he still has it. 4. Mike Holmgren, Seahawks. An excellent teacher and a creative offensive mind, he has built solid programs with two franchises. 5. Jeff Fisher, Titans. His teams never underachieve, and with Vince Young the Titans' future is in good hands. 6. Joe Gibbs, Redskins. He's proving he's still a winner. Even more impressive, he's one of the few coaches who can deal with Daniel Snyder. 7. Lovie Smith, Bears. The Bears stunk before he arrived. He needs a quarterback, but it's hard to find a better defensive coach. 8. Andy Reid, Eagles. A struggling team and family issues present tough challenges, but he is a strong leader who never panics. 9. Wade Phillips, Cowboys. Finally coaching a team with serious talent, he might lead Dallas to the Super Bowl. 10. Mike Tomlin, Steelers. The Steelers know how to pick coaches. Already impressing players and peers, Tomlin has a bright future. 11. Mike McCarthy, Packers. He's rebuilding the Pack the right way, with defense and youth. He'll outlast Brett Favre. 12. Brian Billick, Ravens. Yes, his offense is blase, but he's a skillful communicator who has built a successful run relying on defense. 13. Jon Gruden, Bucs. Yes, Tampa Bay has struggled in recent seasons. But if the Bucs fired him, he'd have a job in five minutes. 14. John Fox, Panthers. With his track record and ability to win playoff games, his job shouldn't be in jeopardy. 15. Jack Del Rio, Jaguars. He knows defense and brings the same intensity to the sideline that he brought as a player. 16. Sean Payton, Saints. His first year was terrific, but this season's terrible start makes you wonder if the old Saints are back. 17. Ken Whisenhunt, Cardinals. He comes from a winning background and has started well in a place where many have failed. 18. Tom Coughlin, Giants. If he makes the playoffs again, how can the Giants fire him? He's a survivor in a tough place. 19. Herm Edwards, Chiefs. A tremendous motivator and defensive mind, he suffers from a conservative offensive approach. 20. Marvin Lewis, Bengals. He has changed a losing culture but is in a make-or-break year and needs to instill more discipline. 21. Eric Mangini, Jets. He had a superb first season, but achieving long-term success with this team, in this market, is difficult. 22. Lane Kiffin, Raiders. Energetic and decisive, he has injected the Raiders with enthusiasm. Kiffin is another guy with excellent potential. 23. Gary Kubiak, Texans. His skill with quarterbacks will help Matt Schaub, but the Texans will not be a quick fix. 24. Romeo Crennel, Browns. He has improved an awful situation, but his future hinges on how often he wins between now and January. 25. Dick Jauron, Bills. He'll need patience to rebuild this franchise, but Trent Edwards could solve his quarterback issues. 26. Norv Turner, Chargers. If he blows this chance, his legacy will be terrific coordinator, lousy head coach. 27. Rod Marinelli, Lions. Don't be fooled by the 3-2 record. Two recent blowout losses show the Lions still have serious flaws. 28. Brad Childress, Vikings. Minnesota hired him for his offensive acumen, but you can't tell by looking at his team. He needs to start winning soon. 29. Bobby Petrino, Falcons. He'd better get a quarterback next season because he won't win with the ones he has. 30. Mike Nolan, 49ers. It's Year 3 of his rebuilding plan, and an influx of free agents has not taken the 49ers to the next level. 31. Cam Cameron, Dolphins. He's stuck with a bad team, and the immediate future looks grim. He might regret taking this job. 32. Scott Linehan, Rams. He started the season talking playoffs and now is looking ahead to the draft. By then, he might be gone. Best and mosts Best on game day: Bill Belichick, Patriots Best at halftime adjustments: Tony Dungy, Colts Best with the media: Herm Edwards, Chiefs Best with the fans: Sean Payton, Saints Best dresser: Mike Nolan, 49ers Best facial expressions: Jon Gruden, Bucs Best houseguest: Romeo Crennel, Browns Best friends: Lovie Smith, , Edwards, Dungy Most overrated: Marvin Lewis, Bengals Most underrated: Jeff Fisher, Titans Coaches on the hot seat 1. Scott Linehan, Rams 2. Brad Childress, Vikings 3. Norv Turner, Chargers 4. Tom Coughlin, Giants 5. Marvin Lewis, Bengals Top offensive coordinators 1. Tom Moore, Colts. Peyton Manning gets the pub for orchestrating the Colts' no-huddle attack, but it's the brainchild of Moore, who keeps adding wrinkles. 2. Bob Bratkowski, Bengals. His play-calling takes advantage of Carson Palmer's ability to throw downfield to talented wide receivers in an up-tempo offense. 3. Mike Martz, Lions. We remember when he ran "The Greatest Show on Turf" in St. Louis; he's running a poor man's version in Detroit. 4. Jason Garrett, Cowboys. The Cowboys have been scoring in bunches, drawing attention to Garrett in his first season as a coordinator. 5. Bruce Arians, Steelers. He has given more freedom to quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. Top defensive coordinators 1. Dick LeBeau, Steelers. He has the Steelers blitzing more often and with more variety. 2. Jim Johnson, Eagles. Putting pressure on the quarterback is Johnson's specialty, too. 3. Rex Ryan, Ravens. Talented players such as Ray Lewis and Ed Reed swear by his schemes. Monte Kiffin, Bucs. He was the father of the cover 2 before anybody had heard of his son Lane. 5. Gregg Williams, Redskins. He is the league's highest-paid assistant and has Joe Gibbs' trust. Head coaches in waiting 1. Rex Ryan, Ravens defensive coordinator. He interviewed for the Chargers job during the offseason. San Diego may have picked the wrong guy. 2. Mike Martz, Lions offensive coordinator. He has been to a Super Bowl as a head coach and will get another job. It's just a question of when and where. 3. Mike Singletary, 49ers assistant head coach/linebackers. He would bring defensive knowledge and command respect from players. 4. Leslie Frazier, Vikings defensive coordinator. Mike Tomlin's successor is a Tony Dungy disciple and played for Buddy Ryan. 5. Norm Chow, Titans offensive coordinator. He is a shrewd play-caller whose stock will rise as Vince Young continues to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted October 19, 2007 Author Share Posted October 19, 2007 Ranking coaches is a difficult thing, but, one thing that I agreed completely with is this: Most overrated: Marvin Lewis, Bengals Most underrated: Jeff Fisher, Titans I like Marvin Lewis, but, there is no denying that he is failing with that team. I've always thought Jeff Fisher was a great coach. Over the last two years, he has completely justified my thoughts. I'm happy with Tomlin, and I think he will go down as a great head coach, but, if I was told I had to select another coach for the Steelers, Belichick would be my first choice, and I'd think long and hard about Jeff Fisher as my 2nd choice. Also, it was great to see this: Top defensive coordinators 1. Dick LeBeau, Steelers. He has the Steelers blitzing more often and with more variety. Cowher, and now Tomlin get most of the credit for the Steelers success, but, they wouldn't have had nearly as much without LeBeau. He didn't make it as a head coach, but, he is one hell of a defensive coordinator. I give Tomlin credit for allowing LeBeau to continue to run this defense, despite Tomlin coming in as a D-Coordinator using a completely different system. Also, the word is that Tomlin is giving LeBeau more freedom than Cowher did, and, thus far, I'm very pleased with the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 ...1. Rex Ryan, Ravens defensive coordinator. He interviewed for the Chargers job during the offseason. San Diego may have picked the wrong guy.... Ummm, DUH! This was my choice from the git go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramhock Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Best at halftime adjustments: Peyton Manning, Colts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Like everything else in football analysis, it's waaaayy too skewed based on this year's results. If you have to rely on a team's current win-loss record to evaluate coaches, it only illustrates how clueless you actually are about their teaching and management methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Like everything else in football analysis, it's waaaayy too skewed based on this year's results. If you have to rely on a team's current win-loss record to evaluate coaches, it only illustrates how clueless you actually are about their teaching and management methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I think some day Mike Singletary will make some franchise very happy to have got him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted October 19, 2007 Author Share Posted October 19, 2007 Like everything else in football analysis, it's waaaayy too skewed based on this year's results. If you have to rely on a team's current win-loss record to evaluate coaches, it only illustrates how clueless you actually are about their teaching and management methods. I agree with you, but, still found it interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Ranking coaches is a difficult thing, but, one thing that I agreed completely with is this: Most overrated: Marvin Lewis, Bengals Most underrated: Jeff Fisher, Titans I like Marvin Lewis, but, there is no denying that he is failing with that team. I've always thought Jeff Fisher was a great coach. Over the last two years, he has completely justified my thoughts. I'm happy with Tomlin, and I think he will go down as a great head coach, but, if I was told I had to select another coach for the Steelers, Belichick would be my first choice, and I'd think long and hard about Jeff Fisher as my 2nd choice. Also, it was great to see this: Top defensive coordinators 1. Dick LeBeau, Steelers. He has the Steelers blitzing more often and with more variety. Cowher, and now Tomlin get most of the credit for the Steelers success, but, they wouldn't have had nearly as much without LeBeau. He didn't make it as a head coach, but, he is one hell of a defensive coordinator. I give Tomlin credit for allowing LeBeau to continue to run this defense, despite Tomlin coming in as a D-Coordinator using a completely different system. Also, the word is that Tomlin is giving LeBeau more freedom than Cowher did, and, thus far, I'm very pleased with the results. I gotta say, I miss him in Buffalo. Our defense was solid when he was there, and since he's been gone, so has the defense. Instead of solid we are now soft and runny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 28. Brad Childress, Vikings. Minnesota hired him for his offensive acumen, but you can't tell by looking at his team. He needs to start winning soon. Coaches on the hot seat 2. Brad Childress, Vikings Head coaches in waiting 4. Leslie Frazier, Vikings defensive coordinator. Mike Tomlin's successor is a Tony Dungy disciple and played for Buddy Ryan. So your telling me there's a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Best friends: Lovie Smith, , Edwards, Dungy Don't know why, but this cracked me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Like everything else in football analysis, it's waaaayy too skewed based on this year's results. If you have to rely on a team's current win-loss record to evaluate coaches, it only illustrates how clueless you actually are about their teaching and management methods. Precisely - hence Wade Phillips is now the 9th best head coach in pro football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Best at line of scrimmage adjustments: Peyton Manning, Colts Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) as a Seahwawk homer- Holmgren at 4 is a joke, and he is way overrated. He is the most overrated coach in the game by far. At some point he started believing all the genius comments about him and he has gone loco. He makes boneheaded calls time and time again, and has really lost his feel for the game IMO. Time to put him out to pasture........... Edited October 19, 2007 by wildcat2334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 as a Seahwawk homer- Holmgren at 4 is a joke, and he is way overrated. He is the most overrated coach in the game by far. At some point he started believing all the genius comments about him and he has gone loco. He makes boneheaded calls time and time again, and has really lost his feel for the game IMO. Time to put him out to pasture........... I don't know how you overrate someone who has taken two franchises with decades long traditions of mediocrity to Super Bowls. I'm not the biggest fan, but who's accomplished that? Don Shula? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 28. Brad Childress, Vikings. Minnesota hired him for his offensive acumen, but you can't tell by looking at his team. He needs to start winning soon. Coaches on the hot seat 2. Brad Childress, Vikings Head coaches in waiting 4. Leslie Frazier, Vikings defensive coordinator. Mike Tomlin's successor is a Tony Dungy disciple and played for Buddy Ryan. So your telling me there's a chance. All you really need there in Minnesota is somebody to say, "Hey, just give the ball to the new kid." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 I agree with you, but, still found it interesting. Yeah, it's interesting...in the sense that people get paid to write and edit such drivel. Or in the sense that so many half-assed NFL fans actually put stock into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 I don't know how you overrate someone who has taken two franchises with decades long traditions of mediocrity to Super Bowls. I'm not the biggest fan, but who's accomplished that? Don Shula? Holmgren has had a great career, no doubt- not my point at all. I was reading this as CURRENT.............many other coaches I think are better this year. I think he has lost it somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 I was reading this as CURRENT.............many other coaches I think are better this year. As I was saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 (edited) Like everything else in football analysis, it's waaaayy too skewed based on this year's results. If you have to rely on a team's current win-loss record to evaluate coaches, it only illustrates how clueless you actually are about their teaching and management methods. wow, pure genius here. Who says this is based off this year's W-L record? Please enlighten me on the teaching and management methods of the coaches around the NFL Edited October 20, 2007 by wildcat2334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 As I was saying... Huddle humor - good stuff. Listen John Clayton wannabe - my point was currently how I see coaches. Holmgren has had a great career- but there are quite a few coaches today I would take over him, not just based on this seasons W-L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Holmgren has had a great career- but there are quite a few coaches today I would take over him, not just based on this seasons W-L I couldn't disagree more. I get infuriated by his inability to make seemingly logical choices at times; especially at the end of halves regarding clock management. But, as GTS stated, he turned two jokes of a franchise around into teams that regular playoff contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 wow, pure genius here. Who says this is based off this year's W-L record? Please enlighten me on the teaching and management methods of the coaches around the NFL Umm, that's kind of my point. Question: What do you, me and the guys who constructed that list have in common? Answer: None of us have spent any significant amount of time at an NFL practice watching how any current head coach does his business. So what the hell is the basis for the list if it's NOT this year's win-loss record? Am I really supposed to believe that the best coach in 2006 -- Sean Payton -- is now the 16th best coach in the league? He somehow got worse in his second season as an NFL coach? Oh, and Scott Linehan is now the WORST coach in football? I mean, he might not be Lombardi, but he almost took the Rams to the playoffs in his first year. Now that his entire starting offense has been injured, he's suddenly the guy at the bottom of the list. Give me a break. Huddle humor - good stuff. Listen John Clayton wannabe - my point was currently how I see coaches. Holmgren has had a great career- but there are quite a few coaches today I would take over him, not just based on this seasons W-L MY point was that coaching skill doesn't change much from year to year...then you come along and say you were "reading this list as CURRENT" and that other coaches are better than Holmgren "this year." You are just an example of the flawed thought process I was pointing out earlier in the thread. So, yeah, I found that kinda amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sothron Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 I agree with Lewis. This guy was a supposed "defensive genius" and the only things the Bengals have done well under his tenure is play on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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