whomper Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) My main local that I commish uses a worst to first waiver system..We are on cbs. I manually do waivers because some teams email me their moves and others put it through the website..My question is this . My league was in agreement on how we do it but I wanted to see other opinions. When a guy loses a player to someone higher in the rotation would you bump his 2nd round selections to the first round or do you think he should lose out on his first rd selections unless he selected alternative choices ? Ill give an example Team 1 is 4th in the waiver rotation he puts his moves in like this Move # 1 Team 1 puts in for Priest Holmes drops Lions D Move # 2 Team 1 puts in for Tatum Bell drops lions D In that situation its a no brainer if someone scoops Priest before him and Tatum Bell is available when it gets to him I would award him Bell since he had the same drop player which means Bell was in essence an alternative to Priest holmes Example 2- same team 4th in rotation Move # 1 Team 1 puts in for Priest Holmes drop Lions D Move # 2 Team 1 puts in for Tatum Bell drops Heath Evans In example 2 if Priest Holmes got scooped before him would you make his 2nd move go through when it got to him at 4 in the first rd rotation or would you only execute his 2nd move in round 2 of waivers ? TIA Edited October 26, 2007 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 If there is nothing in the rules specifying how this plays out (Round 2 choices are bumped to Round 1 if your Round 1 selecion is taken or if this does not occur), I'd be fine allowing the second selection to be bumped to their first round selection. However, this should be clarified as some owners are apt to provide alternates for each round and may complain if they learn that others do not do this and still are awarded a player(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) For leagues that have automatic waivers how would they be processed using the examples I gave above ? Edited October 26, 2007 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Without further clarification, I would use move 2 as a contengency if move 1 was not available due to that player being taken and execute that in round 1. If the move 1 player was still available, I would use that move in round 1 and bume move 2 to round 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfin2000 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 The player they're choosing to drop should have absolutely NOTHING to do with how their claim is processed. Using your example above, maybe I need Evans this week if I get Holmes because Holmes is on a bye. Once Holmes returns next week, I can drop Evans and pick up another defense. On the other hand, if I get Bell, I can use him this week, so I can afford to drop Evans and keep my defense. It's my right as an owner to manage my team the way I see fit, and you have no right as a commish to skip my turn when you run waivers if I've put in a claim for a player that's still available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 Swammi has been posting for 15 minutes now..He is either very passionate about this topic or he fell asleep at his computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 The player they're choosing to drop should have absolutely NOTHING to do with how their claim is processed. Using your example above, maybe I need Evans this week if I get Holmes because Holmes is on a bye. Once Holmes returns next week, I can drop Evans and pick up another defense. On the other hand, if I get Bell, I can use him this week, so I can afford to drop Evans and keep my defense. It's my right as an owner to manage my team the way I see fit, and you have no right as a commish to skip my turn when you run waivers if I've put in a claim for a player that's still available. wurd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) For leagues that have automatic waivers how would they be processed using the examples I gave above ? In a league I am on in MFL, I usually submit a couple of alternatives to each round (we bid, not using worst-to-first). If I lose out on my first player, I can still get the second. MFL allows you to use rounds, so some put one drop/add/bid in each round, and some put all drop/add/bids in round 1. Either way, it works out the same for us as we bid. In your case, rounds going worst to first, if team worst and team second worst choose the same player, team worst gets him. If team second worst has submited a round 2 pick, they should be able to take that player in round 1. If not, so be it. Note that each move requires a different player to be added and a different player to be dropped. If team second worst does not get their first add choice but gets their second, they also drop the player alingned with the second add...not the first drop. Edited October 26, 2007 by The Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 We run our waivers in my local manually using email. Most teams will submit seperate emails for each pickup they want to make. Its a given, if all their choices were already taken in the first email, I move onto the 2nd email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 If your owners are going to use Sportsline, its important they take some time to learn how the waiver system works. Its a pretty valuable tool to make your team as competitive as possible. I have some knucklehead owners in my leagues that still don't get it, either. In your Example #1, the answer is a clear yes....he gets Bell and drops Evans, and it would be his 1st waiver move. And be clear...waivers isn't "rounds"....look at it more as an "order-filling" process. The way I explained it to our league, and everyone was able to visualize it and understand it, was this: Imagine you are in a 12-person line at a store trying to trade in something not of value to you. If you are first in line, you get to pick whatever you want off the shelf. If you are second in line, you obviously don't have access to what the person ahead of you already took, so now you have to decide if whats left is worth what you want to trade in. If it is, take it. If not, don't. And here is an important part of Sportline waivers: Say, for example, I have the 2nd choice. If I opt not to make a pick on Tuesday night (usually the first night of waivers), I don't lose my place in line! That means if the guy ahead of me (the #1 pick) makes a selection, and I pass at #2, I am now #1 on Wednesday getting first crack at all the guys that were dropped on Tuesday (players that had to pass through waivers). Many owners don't realize this, thinking they lose their place if they don't make a pick. It is actually sometimes very advantageous to wait and use your waiver spot to take the best of the players that were just dropped the night before. In your example #2, the owner should have realized that Priest Holmes might not still be on the shelf. It is his choice at that point whether to trade-in the Lions D, or Heath Evans, for Tatum Bell (his next choice). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 In a league I am on in MFL, I usually submit a couple of alternatives to each round (we bid, not using worst-to-first). If I lose out on my first player, I can still get the second. MFL allows you to use rounds, so some put one drop/add/bid in each round, and some put all drop/add/bids in round 1. Either way, it works out the same for us as we bid. In your case, rounds going worst to first, if team worst and team second worst choose the same player, team worst gets him. If team second worst has submited a round 2 pick, they should be able to take that player in round 1. If not, so be it. This is eactly how we do it..Rd 2 selections become rd 1 selections if your original choice gets taken by someone higher in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Swammi has been posting for 15 minutes now..He is either very passionate about this topic or he fell asleep at his computer ...and I still don't think I worded my thoughts correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 ...and I still don't think I worded my thoughts correctly. No..You did..I appreciate the analogy..Thanks to you and everyone else for the good feedback.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) ...and I still don't think I worded my thoughts correctly. I disagree. The analogy works and I really like how you described the waiver process as not being rounds, but "order-filling." Edited October 26, 2007 by The Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchico Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 For leagues that have automatic waivers how would they be processed using the examples I gave above ? I'm in 1 cbs league for my long time local. We use worst to 1st that is processed automatically. You can put in 10 choices with any combination of players and the 1st one that is available when your turn comes up is the one that gets processed. Also with automatic waivers as soon as you get a player you are bumped to the bottom of the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rileyrott Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 If your owners are going to use Sportsline, its important they take some time to learn how the waiver system works. Its a pretty valuable tool to make your team as competitive as possible. I have some knucklehead owners in my leagues that still don't get it, either. In your Example #1, the answer is a clear yes....he gets Bell and drops Evans, and it would be his 1st waiver move. And be clear...waivers isn't "rounds"....look at it more as an "order-filling" process. The way I explained it to our league, and everyone was able to visualize it and understand it, was this: Imagine you are in a 12-person line at a store trying to trade in something not of value to you. If you are first in line, you get to pick whatever you want off the shelf. If you are second in line, you obviously don't have access to what the person ahead of you already took, so now you have to decide if whats left is worth what you want to trade in. If it is, take it. If not, don't. And here is an important part of Sportline waivers: Say, for example, I have the 2nd choice. If I opt not to make a pick on Tuesday night (usually the first night of waivers), I don't lose my place in line! That means if the guy ahead of me (the #1 pick) makes a selection, and I pass at #2, I am now #1 on Wednesday getting first crack at all the guys that were dropped on Tuesday (players that had to pass through waivers). Many owners don't realize this, thinking they lose their place if they don't make a pick. It is actually sometimes very advantageous to wait and use your waiver spot to take the best of the players that were just dropped the night before. In your example #2, the owner should have realized that Priest Holmes might not still be on the shelf. It is his choice at that point whether to trade-in the Lions D, or Heath Evans, for Tatum Bell (his next choice). Very good! I'm going to use this explanation for our league as some guys still don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Going from MFL setup, which actually uses "rounds" in the setup, if the players were submitted in round 1 and round 2 separately, then the round 2 would not move up. However, you can and should put multiple options into each round, as the system works its way through all of your round 1 requests, giving you your highest ranked legal move. It then proceeds through the other teams and when it gets back to you it goes through any requests you have placed in your round 2 queue. IN you example whomper, if they merely submitted a list of moves, regardless of what they are in terms of player to add or drop, I would consider them all round 1 moves, thus giving that team the highest ranked legal move in round one, and if they have any other legal moves left (ie, both the player requested is available and the player to be dropped is still on the roster), put those in round 2 and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 But here's the problem I have with CBS, and if I'm missing something, I'd appreciate someone pointing it out.... I put in waiver claim # 1, releasing, say, player "A". Now I put in waiver claim #2, but often get stuck with which player to release, because I don't know if Claim #1 will be filled. (assuming I'm not #1 in line) I'd like to get rid of "A" first. But if I put in two claims and both are filled, I need to designate a "B" player to release for the second claim But if I can't get claim #1, I'd like player "A" to slide down as my first choice to be released Did that make sense? Any suggestions? Am I missing an obvious way to navigate around this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) Whomp, you got some good info here that I would agree with. I'd suggest though that you go to a bid point ( or "dollars") system next year. It's alot easier and does'nt reward someone for having a bad draft. spelling edit. Edited October 26, 2007 by HowboutthemCowboys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugs Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 OUrs bumps - which seems the fair thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchico Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 But here's the problem I have with CBS, and if I'm missing something, I'd appreciate someone pointing it out.... I put in waiver claim # 1, releasing, say, player "A". Now I put in waiver claim #2, but often get stuck with which player to release, because I don't know if Claim #1 will be filled. (assuming I'm not #1 in line) I'd like to get rid of "A" first. But if I put in two claims and both are filled, I need to designate a "B" player to release for the second claim But if I can't get claim #1, I'd like player "A" to slide down as my first choice to be released Did that make sense? Any suggestions? Am I missing an obvious way to navigate around this? Very simple, 1. waiver claim #1(player X) drop A 2. Waiver claim #2(player Y) drop A 3. Waiver claim #3(player Y) drop B rinse and repeat for any other moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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