The Grandaddy of all Polls.

[Bushey]

You know, the subject of who is best should be voted on. We have heard all the arguments of who is best. Lets settle this with a poll. I for one will change my sig to whoever wins this.

Edited November 5, 2007 by Bushey

[Bushey]

Ok, I voted. So far, the Pac 10 is running away from the pack.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

I voted for the Southeastern Conference until further notice. After the bowls, we can take this poll again.

[wildcat2334]

My Take (Wins vs top 10/top30 team)

 

SEC...................4/19 - for overall strength SEC in a runaway

PAC 10.............2/9 - best conference 1-3

BIG 12..............2/5 - much improved - still alot of cupcakes in there though

ACC.................1/9 - no outstanding teams, but alot of solid squads

BIG EAST.........1/7 - much better as well- some tough outs in there

BIG 10..............0/5 - nuff said.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

OMG, really... a win over a top 30 team, or a top 10 team? REALLY you serious. The SEC has a few teams that shouldnt even be ranked. Pac 10, is 3 deep. Good teams, not quite sure how good they actually are. Only Oregon went outside of the conference and did anything and lost to highly overrated Cal at home. USC lost to Stanford, nuff said there, and Arizona State has now lost to the only team with a pulse they've played so far. The rest of the conference is not good. I'm sorry. Cal is a fraud, UCLA sucks, Oregon State got destroyed in the one non conference game they played, the 2 Washington schools are not looking good, and Arizona and Stanford are not good at all. 3 deep conference. SEC is the deepest conference, though highly overrated. SEC teams seem to lose, and there ranked teams multiply, while outside of the conference they've been less than impressive. Big Ten teams lose and drop like rocks, maybe rightfully so, but once the bowls start, if those teams WIN, what good are these silly rankings then? While the Big Ten hasn't gone outside of the conference and gotten a major victory, they haven't gone outside of the conference and embarassed themselves either. Cept for Michigan to App State. Thats it.

[theeohiostate]

My Take (Wins vs top 10/top30 team)

 

SEC...................4/19 - for overall strength SEC in a runaway

PAC 10.............2/9 - best conference 1-3

BIG 12..............2/5 - much improved - still alot of cupcakes in there though

ACC.................1/9 - no outstanding teams, but alot of solid squads

BIG EAST.........1/7 - much better as well- some tough outs in there

BIG 10..............0/5 - nuff said.

 

Wow, another post by the forum moran

 

.............another bash against the Big 10

 

 

As I've stated in every post you've ever made, you just continue to show your ignorance.

 

I think your in the closet about................something??

[wildcat2334]

Wow, another post by the forum moran

 

.............another bash against the Big 10

As I've stated in every post you've ever made, you just continue to show your ignorance.

 

I think your in the closet about................something??

 

 

yer a fool.

 

Can you come with any FACTS or numbers to back up yer ignorant homerism? You wannt talk igorant? all you van do is throw gremlins out, how about somethig insightful, or show an ounce of common sense -

 

All you ever come with is yer lame drivel that I am a Big 10 hater- seriously wake the eff up- you have zero argument, and the fact that you keep bashing me about being a Big 10 hater- when all the numbers, and opinions of most knowledgeable college football fans are in agreement, is a flat out joke.

[theeohiostate]

yer a fool.

 

Can you come with any FACTS or numbers to back up yer ignorant homerism?

 

 

 

What facts do you have to support OSU sucks? What facts do you have to support Big Ten is weak? What facts do you have to support Big Ten 0-5 in bowl games.

 

 

Love to hear them, when your done making up some more facts about the Big 10, I'll give you mine back.

[Coffeeman]

I understand Bushey is doing this with his tongue so far in his cheek it hurts. (If you can't read that, and submitted your vote thinking it would be important to him, you're dumber than we thought.)

 

But with that said, I think its fair to say that the SEC and Pac10 are closer this year than in the past, with my vote - and slight edge - going to the SEC. Then at #3 the Big12, then a tie for 4th place: Big 10+1 & ACC. Then the Big East, which has fallen back down this year after a fast start. The Big East has always been the red-headed stepchild, and I was hoping it would change, but not yet. I don't follow the other non-BCS ones that much, but I know that if Hawaii wins out, they will deserve one of those at large spots. (But will likely get crushed by the #2 in most BCS conferences.)

 

There is now much more parity in those conferences this year, and in all leagues but maybe the Big10+1, and that is a good thing. The top teams can't just roll over all opponents anymore, esp. on the road. There will always be doormats in each conference, but the top 4-5 teams are much more interesting this time, almost across the BCS board. But if OSU rolls over Michigan again (on their way to getting spanked in the BCS title game,) that one hasn't changed much....

Edited November 5, 2007 by Coffeeman

[wildcat2334]

What facts do you have to support OSU sucks? What facts do you have to support Big Ten is weak? What facts do you have to support Big Ten 0-5 in bowl games.

Love to hear them, when your done making up some more facts about the Big 10, I'll give you mine back.

 

 

Again, for maybe the 5th time- we don't know with OSU- they have 1 decent win vs Penn State, so we don't know, and we may not know until the title game, yet again.

 

OSU doesn't suck- I just happen to think LSU/Oregon/OKL are better.

 

 

Numbers? How about the entire conference having ZERO wins vs top 10 teams? that good enough for you? or maybe in an 11 team conference they have 5 wins vs top 30 teams- shows they have no good NC wins, and the conference overall is down. Not sure how much clearer the numbers can be- but then again yer an OSU guy so I am guessing school just wasn't yer thing.

[detlef]

What facts do you have to support OSU sucks? What facts do you have to support Big Ten is weak? What facts do you have to support Big Ten 0-5 in bowl games.

Love to hear them, when your done making up some more facts about the Big 10, I'll give you mine back.

That was not their bowl record, that is the number of wins vs top 10 and top 30 teams. I believe it is the criteria that Sagarin uses to rank the conferences. So, as much as this doesn't fit into your paranoid stance about Wildcat making up things to prove the Big 10 sucks, he's just reporting data. Carry on.

[Sgt. Ryan]

Which conference has 3 teams in the top 6 of the Poll. That would have to be the one. :P

[Rockerbraves]

Which conference has 3 teams in the top 6 of the Poll. That would have to be the one. :P

 

Like you I'm actually pretty proud of our southern littte brothers in the big 12, however the SEC boast not only the #2 ranked team but 7 teams in the top 25.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

I think wins over ranked teams is highly overrated, and more subjective then the actual ranking process. There are plenty of unranked teams that are better than the ranked teams, combine that with the fact that the preseason polls weigh in heavily, and you got a highly overrated stat. I might be able to give you the top 10, but beyond a top 10 win, whoopty do?! difference between 11 and 30 isn't great, especially this year. And if that isn't great, what is the difference between 30 and 40? Again, not much. A lot of very average teams.

[Sgt. Ryan]

Like you I'm actually pretty proud of our southern littte brothers in the big 12, however the SEC boast not only the #2 ranked team but 7 teams in the top 25.

 

 

7 in the top 25, only 2 deserve to be there, while the highest should be no higher than 6. Big 12 has 1 undefeated, and 2 - 1 loss teams. SEC has nothing close to that. LSU is barely beating teams that can barely beat each other in this conference. Tell me what is good about LSU, please.

 

Defense - give me a F'n break they give up big points every week, in a so called defensive league.

offense - LMAO, this offense couldnt score 13 pts on OU or OSU.

special teams - hardly

coach - worst in the conference, probably top 5 from bottom in the country.

[detlef]

I think wins over ranked teams is highly overrated, and more subjective then the actual ranking process. There are plenty of unranked teams that are better than the ranked teams, combine that with the fact that the preseason polls weigh in heavily, and you got a highly overrated stat. I might be able to give you the top 10, but beyond a top 10 win, whoopty do?! difference between 11 and 30 isn't great, especially this year. And if that isn't great, what is the difference between 30 and 40? Again, not much. A lot of very average teams.

I understand your position but I actually think the merits of top 30 wins (provided there are plenty of them) signify the lack of easy outs on your schedule. I agree that the 20th ranked team is only marginally better than the 30th which is only marginally better than the 40th. However, you need to draw the line somewhere and 30 doesn't seem to be a bad place to do so.

 

Where I think that stat has some importance is the fact that if you beat, say 5-6 top 30 teams in a season with one or two top 10, that means that you had to get up for every other game. On the other hand, if you beat 1 or 2 top 10 teams but didn't have to face many other top 30 teams, you had a ton of very easy games where you didn't face the punishment or emotional/mental stress related to playing a team that is capable of beating you if you don't bring it. I don't think that can be discounted.

 

Now, your bit about the circular reference is spot on. I mean, using wins vs top 30 teams to validate the top 30 is like quoting the bible to prove the existence of god. I mean, if you don't believe in god, why is some passage from the bible going to convince you? In this case, how do we really know that the lower tiered teams in the SEC are really in the top 30 rather than the top 40. That would change the numbers somewhat.

 

That said, Zero top 10 and only 5 top 30 wins for the Big 10 is rather damning. I mean, shuffling a few teams around a few spots from 25-35 isn't going to all of a sudden make that stat look great, it just will take it from pathetic to merely poor. Similarly, bumping a few SEC teams out of the top 30 isn't going to take what is currently a rather gaudy stat and make it mediocre. It will simply be very good.

[wildcat2334]

I think wins over ranked teams is highly overrated, and more subjective then the actual ranking process. There are plenty of unranked teams that are better than the ranked teams, combine that with the fact that the preseason polls weigh in heavily, and you got a highly overrated stat. I might be able to give you the top 10, but beyond a top 10 win, whoopty do?! difference between 11 and 30 isn't great, especially this year. And if that isn't great, what is the difference between 30 and 40? Again, not much. A lot of very average teams.

 

 

Cmon Brian- while the rankings/Sagarin are not perfect, they are a good way to gauge quality wins, and strength of a conference. You have to have some way to gauge a qulity win- you can slide these rankings any way you like, it is not going to change the fact that the Big 10 is down.

 

You love to point out the bad NC losses the Pac 10 had- but the reality is the Mich & Tenn NC wins are much better than anything the Big 10 can hang their hat on. You love point out that Cal is a fraud, and UCLA is a joke, and on and on. Cal would be the 2nd best team in the Big 10, and UCLA,while inconsistent has more talent than anyone in the Big 10 except OSU-

 

the SEC numbers are impressive, I don't care how you rank them- when that conference can go to USC as the 9th best team in the league- sorry, that is just too strong to ignore.

[Bushey]

The SEC is the best conference according to all that voted. Now, we can all relax knowing that and stop ruining every post with the same argument.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

It all means nothing when you go out of your conference and get beat. You can't help the schedule you play. It's made years in advance, and comparing conferences, when the great majority of them don't play each other is just stupid until after the season is all over with. Again, You beat a couple top 10 teams, and those teams turn out to be really good by seasons end, then it means something. Until then it means nothing. Especially when you consider the fact that some of the best teams ever played garbage schedules. Like 2001 Miami they played no one all year, but no one would question for a second that they couldn't match up with any of the best teams ever. No one looks back and say, no you can't call them the best ever, because they didn't play anyone with a pulse. When you start to dig a little deeper then you see that there isnt a lot of difference between ranked and unranked teams. The SEC is a prime example, outside of the vaccum of their own conference, the SEC has been quite frankly below average. Auburn losing at home to South Florida. Tennessee getting beat soundly by Cal. Alabama getting beat by Florida State. LSU hammered Va Tech, but when you dig deeper into that, who has VT beat? They were ranked high at the beginning, didn't get punished at all, for losing to both LSU and Boston College, and are still ranked high.

[Menudo]

I still for the life of me don't understand why so many people argue for their conference against others. I simply root for Penn State and have a strong dislike for the other teams in the conference. The only time I care about how good the rest of the conference is, occurs when Penn State is in the national title picture and the strength of schedule plays a part. Other than that, this argument is silly, and there will never be a definitive answer.

[wildcat2334]

I still for the life of me don't understand why so many people argue for their conference against others. I simply root for Penn State and have a strong dislike for the other teams in the conference. The only time I care about how good the rest of the conference is, occurs when Penn State is in the national title picture and the strength of schedule plays a part. Other than that, this argument is silly, and there will never be a definitive answer.

 

 

then go back to yer sack-swinging Rothlisbgerger threads

 

I flat out don't believe you don't pull for the Big 10 in big games over other conferences- bullchit.

 

It matters for many reasons- but obviously the way the current system is set up- it creates an uneven playing field year to year. If they had a playoff sysytem in place, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

 

BUT the clusterf*ck that it is now- there is just no way of knowing when teams like OSU/KU (to this point) just aren't as tested as some teams, like LSU/OREGON.

[Kid Cid]

My daddy can beat up your daddy!

[theeohiostate]

BUT the clusterf*ck that it is now- there is just no way of knowing when teams like OSU/KU (to this point) just aren't as tested as some teams, like LSU/OREGON.

 

 

How on earth can you possibly say with any certainty that OSU isn't as tested and any other team? For all you know, the BIG 10 goes 11-0 vs Pac 10 schools in H2H match ups, you have no evidence of this and it's mere opinon.....................opinon based on BS, that's it !

 

If you can offer some type of proof that the PAC 10 is so much better then the Big 10, I'd love to see that proof. Until then, your endless drivel is merely an opinon shared with no other aside of yourself.

[wildcat2334]

How on earth can you possibly say with any certainty that OSU isn't as tested and any other team? For all you know, the BIG 10 goes 11-0 vs Pac 10 schools in H2H match ups, you have no evidence of this and it's mere opinon.....................opinon based on BS, that's it !

 

If you can offer some type of proof that the PAC 10 is so much better then the Big 10, I'd love to see that proof. Until then, your endless drivel is merely an opinon shared with no other aside of yourself.

 

 

this for real? do you live in some kind of mid-west cave? wake up dummy.

 

First of all- pretty common topic around the country- on who is stronger this year, the SEC or Pac 10.......

 

Secondly- I watch a lot of football- and trust my own eyes. OSU has 1 decent W vs. Penn State- please enlighten me on these tough in conference matchups.....I will be waiting.

 

Antoher thing....how many Big 10 games in a row has OSU won? 20 something- pretty telling stat on how DOWN the conference is...... Even when USC was dominating, they still had battles, and lost a couple games in conference. With yer rose-colored 2.2 GPA OSU glasses- do you honestly think this team has proven to be some dynasty that can run over a conference like this....... Do you honestly think they have this kind of a streak in the Pac 10 or SEC?? uh negative ghostrider.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

this for real? do you live in some kind of mid-west cave? wake up dummy.

 

First of all- pretty common topic around the country- on who is stronger this year, the SEC or Pac 10.......

 

Secondly- I watch a lot of football- and trust my own eyes. OSU has 1 decent W vs. Penn State- please enlighten me on these tough in conference matchups.....I will be waiting.

 

Antoher thing....how many Big 10 games in a row has OSU won? 20 something- pretty telling stat on how DOWN the conference is...... Even when USC was dominating, they still had battles, and lost a couple games in conference. With yer rose-colored 2.2 GPA OSU glasses- do you honestly think this team has proven to be some dynasty that can run over a conference like this....... Do you honestly think they have this kind of a streak in the Pac 10 or SEC?? uh negative ghostrider.

 

He's saying it is all opinion. And it is. You can sit here and point to ranked wins until you're blue in the face, but until all of these bad big ten teams start losing to the almighty sec and pac 10 on the field, you're not going to convince me of anything. So far Oregon has beaten Michigan. Hardly an indication that the Pac 10 is superior to the Big Ten as a whole.