Randall Posted November 6, 2007 Author Share Posted November 6, 2007 How can one argue who is better, when no one knows if we are talking "NFL value," fantasy PPR, or fantasy non-PPR? He just said RB power rankings. Floyd Reese's rankings AP LT Addai FWP Portis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjpro11 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 im a homer.. would take parker over bush.. bush isnt going to get any tough yards up the middle or be a significant blocker. he's a better receiver, but not overall runner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted November 6, 2007 Author Share Posted November 6, 2007 im a homer.. would take parker over bush.. bush isnt going to get any tough yards up the middle or be a significant blocker. he's a better receiver, but not overall runner. Put him behind the Steelers line and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 If we're talking skill wise. Westbrook LT AP Addai Gore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Well, that's nice, but he's still averaging well under 4 yds/carry for the year (while Parker is at like 4.2, even after getting stuffed last night). Bush is a nice back who's getting better, but he still has a way to go in between the tackles, IMO. Parker has a better combination of power and speed. Marshawn Lynch should easily crack that Top 5. That dude's a beast and it's too bad that he's wasting away on a terrible offense. I'd also put Edgerrin over Bush. Dude has MUCH better vision. Put him behind a halfway decent line and he's probably a Top 5-7 back. You were doing ok until you brought Edge into the mix. There is no chance in he-ll Edge is top 5-7 with or without a good O-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 If we're talking skill wise. Westbrook LT AP Addai Gore no way - if you are talking pure skill- it is AP all day long. The only reason LT could be ahead of him as a pure runner is bc of his experience. AP is the most talented RB in the league. period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Anybody comparing Bush to Parker needs to put their breaks on. Until two weeks ago Bush hadn't had a run over 18 yards. He may be as fast in the 40 as Parker, but Bush has quite a bit of work to do on the football field. Not many are higher on Bush than I am, but he isn't yet near Parker's value. My top 6 as far as impact players at the running back position, with the emphasis being on overall talent: Adrian Westbrook LT S. Jackson M. Barber J. Addai (couldn't stop at 5, Addai deserves to be on the list) In two years, if we make this list again, both DeAngelo and Bush will be on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 If we're talking skill wise. Westbrook LT AP Addai Gore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 You all have Westbrook to high. why?...I had him in my top 5 before the season started and he's now the #1 RB in my local including PPR.... here's the top 10 in my local... Westy AP RBrown Addai LT Bush LJ McGahee Barber III Portis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 You were doing ok until you brought Edge into the mix. There is no chance in he-ll Edge is top 5-7 with or without a good O-line. Based on what? The fact that he was consistently a Top 5-7 guy for the vast majority of his career? I haven't seen much of a performance hit and, IIRC, he's only 29. Put Edge back on the Colts and he's a Top 5 guy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Reasonable ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjpro11 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Put him behind the Steelers line and see. go ahead.. he falls down with first contact. parker tends not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 no way - if you are talking pure skill- it is AP all day long. The only reason LT could be ahead of him as a pure runner is bc of his experience. AP is the most talented RB in the league. period. I haven't seen enough of the kid perhaps but I feel that line does a majority of the work and almost always gets to the second level. LT is one of the best RBs ever in the NFL, let's remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 go ahead.. he falls down with first contact. parker tends not to. Methinks you didn't see the game against Atlanta where Bush scored a TD by powering his way 3 yards through 1 to 2 Atlanta tacklers. I was very impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Based on what? The fact that he was consistently a Top 5-7 guy for the vast majority of his career? I haven't seen much of a performance hit and, IIRC, he's only 29. Put Edge back on the Colts and he's a Top 5 guy again. "Based on what?" is really my question to you. The majority of his career you refer to is long since gone. He's had a major knee surgery and like you say, he's 29 which is definitely an age when RBs slow down. He may have great vision and excellent receiving skills, but he has very little burst, no breakaway speed, and never did have a great ability to make people miss. Indy's offense made Edge - not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjpro11 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Methinks you didn't see the game against Atlanta where Bush scored a TD by powering his way 3 yards through 1 to 2 Atlanta tacklers. I was very impressed. i didnt.. i have seen parker power through his share of defenders to make me choose him over bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted November 7, 2007 Author Share Posted November 7, 2007 i didnt.. i have seen parker power through his share of defenders to make me choose him over bush. Translation My mind is made up don't ask me to look further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 "Based on what?" is really my question to you. The majority of his career you refer to is long since gone. He's had a major knee surgery and like you say, he's 29 which is definitely an age when RBs slow down. Uh, no, RBs don't automatically fall apart at 29. You're thinking of 32. Edge is just under 4 yds/carry, is on pace for over 1,200 yds rushing, and has crossed the stripe 5 times behind a below-average Cardinals O-line. His career is a good 2-3 years from being over. He may have great vision and excellent receiving skills, but he has very little burst, no breakaway speed, and never did have a great ability to make people miss. Indy's offense made Edge - not the other way around. So since the Colts "made" Edge, I suppose that we can knock Addai out of the Top 5 as well, since he's just a product of the system as well. Edge rushed for 1,500 yds just two years ago, in the prime of his career, several years AFTER the torn ACL and still lacking that burst and breakaway speed. He rushed for over 1,150 yds behind an absolutely awful O-line last year. I'd like to have seen what Reggie "Hype Machine" Bush would've done on that team, given that his 3.4 yds/carry last year were laughably low in comparison to Deuce's 4.3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Uh, no, RBs don't automatically fall apart at 29. You're thinking of 32. Edge is just under 4 yds/carry, is on pace for over 1,200 yds rushing, and has crossed the stripe 5 times behind a below-average Cardinals O-line. His career is a good 2-3 years from being over.So since the Colts "made" Edge, I suppose that we can knock Addai out of the Top 5 as well, since he's just a product of the system as well. Edge rushed for 1,500 yds just two years ago, in the prime of his career, several years AFTER the torn ACL and still lacking that burst and breakaway speed. He rushed for over 1,150 yds behind an absolutely awful O-line last year. I'd like to have seen what Reggie "Hype Machine" Bush would've done on that team, given that his 3.4 yds/carry last year were laughably low in comparison to Deuce's 4.3. Why do you hate Bush, therefore America? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Edge shouldn't have been mentioned in this thread. You need to be able to average 4 YPC to be considered elite I would think. Edge was great, I'm not going to go as far as to say that Indy made him, but he clearly is not the back he was a few years ago. He runs hard between the tackles but can't influence a game like he once could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 (edited) Edge shouldn't have been mentioned in this thread. You need to be able to average 4 YPC to be considered elite I would think. Edge was great, I'm not going to go as far as to say that Indy made him, but he clearly is not the back he was a few years ago. He runs hard between the tackles but can't influence a game like he once could. How many RBs have averaged 4 yds/carry in ARI over the past four or five years? Geez, just look at how far Thomas Jones' numbers went up after he left. And that's not to say that Edge is necessarily an elite back, just that he's still better than Mr. Hype. Edited November 7, 2007 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 If Mr. Hype is Reggie Bush, you are crazy. The Hawks have played both this season. Edge was boring and prodding, Bush was explosive and scary. I'm not sure how you determine the rankings, but one has a major influence on games, the other does not. One makes you gameplan against him, the other does not. Edge has the benefit of two great wide receivers on his team. Without them creating room, he goes nowhere. Sorry I don't have any facts or anecdotes to back this up. I watch football instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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