Double Agent Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I've been in 2 leagues 6 years. I'm the commish in one and my buddy is the commish in the other. We've always done H2H. There is no question that total points measure the true value of the team better. But it has never really been an issue except for this year. In my 10 team league, I am currently in 5th place with a record of 5-5. I trail the 1st place team by 20 points and the 1st place team is 9-1. The 2nd and 3rd place teams trail us by over 150 points and the 4th place team trails me by over 250 points. I've always loved the H2H aspect but this year it is seriously annoying me. Is there something better? Something more in line with who truly has the best team other that just total points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I agree that Total Points is a true valuation of your players. But H2H is much more fun as you get to root against a particulat player. Its all preferance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Total points why bother. H2H is what it is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 Niners Fan Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I agree H2H is more fun....thats why I play a small money league with my buddies...that one is not really about the money, more bragging rights...the trash talk in that league is classic! That being said, I would never play in a big money league that was H2H...too much luck and variables involved (as the OP stated)...my big money league is a cummulative points league that actually goes through the Super Bowl (thus making players on playoff teams more valuable)..its a very unconventional league (lots of weird rules) and has been going on since the 70's.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominatorr Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I've been in 2 leagues 6 years. I'm the commish in one and my buddy is the commish in the other. We've always done H2H. There is no question that total points measure the true value of the team better. But it has never really been an issue except for this year. In my 10 team league, I am currently in 5th place with a record of 5-5. I trail the 1st place team by 20 points and the 1st place team is 9-1. The 2nd and 3rd place teams trail us by over 150 points and the 4th place team trails me by over 250 points. I've always loved the H2H aspect but this year it is seriously annoying me. Is there something better? Something more in line with who truly has the best team other that just total points. my league has head to head matchups and a super bowl winner in the end BUT..................the league champ who gets all the glory and all the money is the TOTAL POINTS winner , not the super bowl champ which is nothing but luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Total points is easliy skewed by blowing up one week or another. HTH has a luck factor. If you really want to rank the teams based on who has the best team, the only way to do it is to use all play record. But seriously.....why would that be fun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominatorr Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Total points why bother. H2H is what it is all about. H2H is all about LUCK i prefer skill personally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 H2H is all about LUCK i prefer skill personally Yeah right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 (edited) I play both formats and enjoy them both. Which is better? That's a BS question. Your situation is just the luck of the draw. Play FF long enough and you'll have a team that just lucks its way into a bad record despite a high points for. Likewise, you'll have a team with bad total points, but a good record. That's the nature of the H2H beast. You may consider having double header weeks. Just add more games to the schedule. That can help the cream rise to the top with more games played. Alternately, continue with normal H2H with a bonus "all-play" where an additional win or loss is added based on your total points for that one week only. Top 5 teams get an extra W, bottom 5 get an L. So, each week you could end up 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 depending on your H2H result and then your total points. This format rewards teams who consistently score well, not those who have a couple big weeks, but only so-so weeks otherwise. Edited November 13, 2007 by The Irish Doggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Agent Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 I do like the double header aspect. I've been trying to get the guys to chip in and move everything to MFL. Is that pretty much the site of choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missoula Griz Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 (edited) I have been playing in the same league since 1989. The format for the playoffs has never changed. Two divisions of 6 teams each. We play head to head. The two teams which win their divisions each get a first round bye. The remaining 4 playoff teams are determined by TOTAL POINTS. This allows a team which has a bad record, but more points then others to make the playoffs. At the same time, the two teams which succeeded in head to head are granted a crucial first round bye. I think this system recognizes both aspects of fantasy football fairly. Edited November 13, 2007 by Missoula Griz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I do like the double header aspect. I've been trying to get the guys to chip in and move everything to MFL. Is that pretty much the site of choice? I actually use webleaguemanager.com in 2 of my leagues. What is the site for MFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Agent Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 I actually use webleaguemanager.com in 2 of my leagues. What is the site for MFL? www.myfantasyleague.com I don't know anything about it. I just know a lot prefer it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I just know a lot prefer it. That's for sure. There are many MFL fanboys on this board. Look out! Here they come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Our league is H2H but the two wild card spots are for the two highest scoring teams not in the playoffs by winning thier division. Thank god for that because I am currently 2nd in points but in last place in my division. Go figger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I've been wondering about this as well. We all agree there is alot of luck that goes into FF , especially this season. Yes there is research and skill that are involved, but nothing can help you against a S.Jack or R.Brown injury . Prepare all you'd like , but you can't tell the future. I enjoy FF , regardless of whom i'm playing in H2H matchups. What I'd like to know, is what is the fairest way to judge your team against the other 11 in your league, where each year the best 6 teams based on a 13 week schedule advance. I hate when a 6-7 team wins a division and advances over a 8-5 team. Why in the heck should they advance over them? They already had it easier playing in a crappy division, now they're given even more opportunities? Just doesn't seem fair, if everyone is paying the same amount , why not make it as equal as possible? I'd like to use the MFL power rankings to determine the top 6 teams, what are your thoughts about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 (edited) www.myfantasyleague.com I don't know anything about it. I just know a lot prefer it. Here's a site I customized for DWII , you can see with MFL anything is possible to create a more user friendly and graphically superior site. Notice the navigation bars in the middle , click on the "Scoreboard" link............pretty cool, eh? Also links to all NFL local newspapers, depth charts and a plaque for previous year champs. I used the Transformers as the theme, just watching it the night before creating the site. DW II Edited November 13, 2007 by theeohiostate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 but nothing can help you against a S.Jack or R.Brown injury Easy, dont pick S.Jax. or Ronnie Brown. What I'd like to know, is what is the fairest way to judge your team against the other 11 in your league, where each year the best 6 teams based on a 13 week schedule advance. I hate when a 6-7 team wins a division and advances over a 8-5 team. Why in the heck should they advance over them? They already had it easier playing in a crappy division, now they're given even more opportunities? Just doesn't seem fair, if everyone is paying the same amount , why not make it as equal as possible? The best way I've found is to give the wild cards to the points leaders out of the playoffs. I'd like to use the MFL power rankings to determine the top 6 teams, what are your thoughts about this? I've never looked at the MFL power rankings but Fanballs are just a play all record as someone has already mentioned. Might as well just be a points league at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Agent Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 Here's a site I customized for DWII , you can see with MFL anything is possible to create a more user friendly and graphically superior site. Notice the navigation bars in the middle , click on the "Scoreboard" link............pretty cool, eh? Also links to all NFL local newspapers, depth charts and a plaque for previous year champs. I used the Transformers as the theme, just watching it the night before creating the site. DW II That is bad arse. I'm definitely switching my league over next year. I'm sick of the free stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 If you drafted SJax or RBrown you are impacted no matter your league type ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I prefer h2h. I like the challenge of the weekly matchups against another owner. And I like it that a team that might only be in the top half of scoring can find it's way into the playoffs and maybe get hot and win a title when in a total points league he would just be in the middle of the pack. To me the challenge of Fantasy Football is on me to field the best 11 starters I can each week. And of course the ultimate indicator in deciding who has done that the best is with a win-loss record, not in the total points scored for the year. No team ever made the playoffs in the NFL simply due to the fact that they scored more points than the other teams. They may have used points to break a tie in the standings but it is the Win-loss record that gets you there. I do like bonus prizes for points scored and in fact we have 3 $50 bonuses in our league for the most reg season points scored by starters on offense, defense & special Teams but getting into the playoffs is based solely on the win-loss records in each division. We have 2 conferences that each have 2 divisions of 3 teams. The 4 division winners and the best 2nd place team from each conference advance to the playoffs. We are 10 weeks into the season and right now 12 of the 13 teams still have a shot at making the playoffs. If we were running a total points league then 6 of the 12 teams would already be more than 100 points behind the leader and those 6 would basically be done for the year. And the one team that has been eliminated from our playoffs already this year is dead last in the total points standings so using that system would not change his status at all either. To me the real challenge of fantasy football is to come up with a scoring system that allows something I do as an owner to reduce the scoring capability of my opponent. Right now it is all geared to scoring points with our starters but what can we institute to limit an opponents ability to score? In the NFL they limit their opponents ability to score by playing better defense than the other team. In the NFL, the better a teams defense plays the fewer points the other teams offense scores (for the most part). In our league we start 3 idp's every week, one idea I am tinkering with is the idea of subtracting my teams total defensive points scored in a game from my opponents total score. For example, in week 6 this year Team A beat Team B 136.05 to 130. Team A scored 136.05 pts, 13.5 of which were scored by his defense. Team B scored 130 points 22 of which were scored by his defense. So following my idea I would deduct the 22 points scored by Team B's defense from the total score of Team A reducing his Score from 136.05 down to 114.05 and then deduct the 13.5 points scored by team A's defense from the Total score of Team B reducing his score down to 116.5. In this scenario each team gets credit for the performance of their defense and it actually changes the outcome of the game giving the win to Team B instead of team A. Now this is only ever going to change the outcome of a close game but then again if you get blown out, well you get blown out. But at least this way we take some of the luck out of the game by starting the better defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrudge Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I prefer H2H over total points. But since I'm 4-5 H2H yet only 20 points out of first place total score, I like total points this season. In my one league, the H2H champion gets the cheesy Yahoo provided prize and gets their name written on our league trophy. Total points gets the money and to be commish the next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Agent Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 I agree that H2H is really the only way to go. It makes every Sunday meaningful and I think a total points system would reduce the fun. But I think I really like this double header scenario. We've made changes to the scoring every year. All of my guys want high scoring games. If they are down by 20 points with a WR left on Monday night, they want the chance to make a comeback. So I set up scoring with a benchmark of 175 points. I figured if you score 175 you should definitely win the game. For the most part, that has held true. But between 2 leages, I have scored over 200 points and been beaten 3 times this year. At least with the double header scenario, you would be 1-1 in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 To me the real challenge of fantasy football is to come up with a scoring system that allows something I do as an owner to reduce the scoring capability of my opponent. Right now it is all geared to scoring points with our starters but what can we institute to limit an opponents ability to score? In the NFL they limit their opponents ability to score by playing better defense than the other team. In the NFL, the better a teams defense plays the fewer points the other teams offense scores (for the most part). In our league we start 3 idp's every week, one idea I am tinkering with is the idea of subtracting my teams total defensive points scored in a game from my opponents total score. For example, in week 6 this year Team A beat Team B 136.05 to 130. Team A scored 136.05 pts, 13.5 of which were scored by his defense. Team B scored 130 points 22 of which were scored by his defense. So following my idea I would deduct the 22 points scored by Team B's defense from the total score of Team A reducing his Score from 136.05 down to 114.05 and then deduct the 13.5 points scored by team A's defense from the Total score of Team B reducing his score down to 116.5. In this scenario each team gets credit for the performance of their defense and it actually changes the outcome of the game giving the win to Team B instead of team A. Now this is only ever going to change the outcome of a close game but then again if you get blown out, well you get blown out. But at least this way we take some of the luck out of the game by starting the better defense. That system would require way too much manual intervention. But even if it could be done in MFL I would be adamantly against it. I drafted my team, worked the waiver wire, worked trades, evaluated current matchups and fielded the team I thought would score me the most points. And after all that my team did score more than yours ... but your defense, which is only 1 out of 9 starters, outscored my defense so I lose the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I prefer to have both with H2H getting the trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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