BCS top 5

[budlitebrad]

1. LSU

2. Kansas

3. WVU

4. Mizzou

5. OSU

 

Kansas over Mizzou, OU over Kansas (depending on their QB), and WVU/LSU dropping a game? Still a little hope for the Buckeyes.

Edited November 19, 2007 by budlitebrad

[theeohiostate]

I wish to heck we would have lost earlier in the season like LSU, then we'd be #1 .

 

 

This is what is the bogus truth about the BCS .

 

LSU loses to a 4 loss team , while OSU and West Virginia lose to a 3 loss team and Missouri only loss was to a 2 loss team, but somehow due to preseason rankings and the time of the loss, that is how the rankings are being determined. It's a shame it's not based on the best teams and is only based on the time of a loss

[BS Miscreant]

Just thought I'd throw the whole thing in there for everyone's viewing pleasure. Go Bulls! Go Big East!

 

Bowl Championship Series standings

 

Nov. 18, 2007

 

• Extended computer rankings

 

Team Harris Poll USA TODAY Computer rank BCS Avg.

 

1. LSU 1 .9926 1 .9887 1 .990 .9904

 

2. Kansas 2 .9558 2 .9607 2 .930 .9488

 

3. West Virginia T-3 .8867 3 .8967 T-3 .880 .8878

 

4. Missouri T-3 .8867 4 .8853 6 .840 .8707

 

5. Ohio State 5 .8499 5 .8507 T-3 .880 .8602

 

6. Arizona State 6 .7536 6 .7720 T-3 .880 .8019

 

7. Georgia 7 .7349 7 .7367 7 .760 .7438

 

8. Virginia Tech 8 .6595 8 .6793 8 .700 .6796

 

9. Oregon 10 .6368 10 .5933 9 .650 .6267

 

10. Oklahoma 9 .6442 9 .6207 13 .480 .5816

 

11. Southern Cal 12 .5756 12 .5860 12 .540 .5672

 

12. Florida 14 .5090 14 .4907 11 .630 .5432

 

13. Texas 11 .5926 11 .5887 17 .360 .5137

 

14. Boston College 16 .4018 16 .4127 10 .640 .4848

 

15. Hawaii 13 .5628 13 .5520 22 .160 .4249

 

16. Virginia 17 .3865 15 .4173 14 .470 .4246

 

17. Illinois 18 .3090 18 .3233 18 .330 .3208

 

18. Tennessee 19 .2839 19 .2867 16 .370 .3135

 

19. Boise State 15 .4202 17 .3953 NR .030 .2818

 

20. Connecticut 21 .2000 21 .1760 15 .380 .2520

 

21. Wisconsin 20 .2294 20 .2287 23 .110 .1893

 

22. Clemson 22 .1501 22 .1500 20 .200 .1667

 

23. South Florida 26 .0382 0 .0213 19 .310 .1232

 

24. Cincinnati 24 .0630 26 .0420 21 .190 .0983

 

25. BYU 23 .0896 23 .1073 T-24 .060 .0856

[BS Miscreant]

I wish to heck we would have lost earlier in the season like LSU, then we'd be #1 .

This is what is the bogus truth about the BCS .

 

LSU loses to a 4 loss team , while OSU and West Virginia lose to a 3 loss team and Missouri only loss was to a 2 loss team, but somehow due to preseason rankings and the time of the loss, that is how the rankings are being determined. It's a shame it's not based on the best teams and is only based on the time of a loss

I do agree that the polls definitely are effected by the "time of loss" scenario but in fairness to LSU they are the clear leaders in the computer rankings which don't consider when a loss occurred.

 

The real crime will be Kansas not jumping to #1 if they beat Mizzou, considering the rankings(SOS).

[theeohiostate]

I do agree that the polls definitely are effected by the "time of loss" scenario but in fairness to LSU they are the clear leaders in the computer rankings which don't consider when a loss occurred.

 

The real crime will be Kansas not jumping to #1 if they beat Mizzou, considering the rankings(SOS).

 

The computers are just as bad as any part of the BCS formula, they take completely subjective material and rank accordingly, and then call it "Computer Rankings" , that is a joke.

[Rockerbraves]

The computers are just as bad as any part of the BCS formula, they take completely subjective material and rank accordingly, and then call it "Computer Rankings" , that is a joke.

Maybe the rankings are taking quality wins into consideration too. LSU has beaten two fairly high ranked teams.

[Rockerbraves]

I do agree that the polls definitely are effected by the "time of loss" scenario but in fairness to LSU they are the clear leaders in the computer rankings which don't consider when a loss occurred.

 

The real crime will be Kansas not jumping to #1 if they beat Mizzou, considering the rankings(SOS).

Not really that much of a crime since that would be Kansas first quality win and Missouri would almost certainly drop a few notches after the loss. I think now that OK has lost for a 2nd time to a non ranked team even winning the Big 12 championship won't be enough if LSU also wins the SEC championship. The good news for both those teams is that they control their own destiny in regard to winning the BCS Championship.

Edited November 19, 2007 by Rockerbraves

[wildcat2334]

Maybe the rankings are taking quality wins into consideration too. LSU has beaten two fairly high ranked teams.

 

 

 

Yeah no kidding- there is no comparison between OSU/WVU and LSU's schedule, quality of opponents, and quality W's.

 

My top 3

 

LSU

MIZZOU

KANSAS - not sure there has ever been a shakier #2 BCS this late in the season. I mean, they have ZERO quality wins, amazing.

 

 

Mizzou and KU have the NC game in their control- I think Mizzou is the better team and Beats KU next weekend-

 

 

WVU is siting there at he backdoor, and with a little Big 12 help from OKL - they will slip in to #2. ASU has a shot if WVU should slip, bc IF, and it is a big IF they beat USC Thur, they cetainly will jump OSU.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

That's only if you buy that LSU has that many quality victories. I mean, what exactly is a quality victory? A win over VT? And exactly what has VT done? Florida? I'm certain you aren't going to count teams like Alabama, Mississippi State, and Auburn. I mean the biggest joke ever was 6-5 Nick was ranked for as long as Bama was. Right now LSU's SOS is 10 spots higher than Ohio State, and if you know how "SOS" is tabulated, then you would know that 10 spots isn't that high. 27th to 37th. Should be noted, that LSU is gonna miss Georgia on the schedule, and if they don't miss Georgia, they miss Tennessee. They had all of there toughest games at home, and that includes the National Title game which seems inevitable right now for them. That's why I say, they should be viewed as one of the weaker National Champions ever, because they were unimpressive at home vs above average competition (not great), missed the 2nd best team in the SEC, and gets the national championship game at home.

[Sgt. Ryan]

I dont think anyone will consider whoever wins the NC the undisputed best team in the country. How can you. The longer the season plays, the more top teams lose. So its really who is the last man standing this yr.

[Caveman_Nick]

This season is another terrific defense for why the BCS needs to develop into a playoff system.

Edited November 19, 2007 by Caveman_Nick

[tbimm]

That's only if you buy that LSU has that many quality victories. I mean, what exactly is a quality victory? A win over VT? And exactly what has VT done? Florida? I'm certain you aren't going to count teams like Alabama, Mississippi State, and Auburn. I mean the biggest joke ever was 6-5 Nick was ranked for as long as Bama was. Right now LSU's SOS is 10 spots higher than Ohio State, and if you know how "SOS" is tabulated, then you would know that 10 spots isn't that high. 27th to 37th. Should be noted, that LSU is gonna miss Georgia on the schedule, and if they don't miss Georgia, they miss Tennessee. They had all of there toughest games at home, and that includes the National Title game which seems inevitable right now for them. That's why I say, they should be viewed as one of the weaker National Champions ever, because they were unimpressive at home vs above average competition (not great), missed the 2nd best team in the SEC, and gets the national championship game at home.

The BCS championship game is in New Orleans this season. LSU plays in Baton Rouge.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

Yeah a virtual home game. Maybe you missed the 2004 Sugar Bowl. I didn't.

[wildcat2334]

That's only if you buy that LSU has that many quality victories. I mean, what exactly is a quality victory? A win over VT? And exactly what has VT done? Florida? I'm certain you aren't going to count teams like Alabama, Mississippi State, and Auburn. I mean the biggest joke ever was 6-5 Nick was ranked for as long as Bama was. Right now LSU's SOS is 10 spots higher than Ohio State, and if you know how "SOS" is tabulated, then you would know that 10 spots isn't that high. 27th to 37th. Should be noted, that LSU is gonna miss Georgia on the schedule, and if they don't miss Georgia, they miss Tennessee. They had all of there toughest games at home, and that includes the National Title game which seems inevitable right now for them. That's why I say, they should be viewed as one of the weaker National Champions ever, because they were unimpressive at home vs above average competition (not great), missed the 2nd best team in the SEC, and gets the national championship game at home.

 

cmon Brian - damn. While this year is very close in terms of quality of teams- LSU is a clear #1, and you can talk SOS comparions until you are blue in the face. The reality is LSU has played, and beaten better football teams than OSU or WVU, and it isn't really even close.

 

WVU has 1 top 30 win- Cin(22) Sagarin SOS- 42

OSU has 2 top 30 wins- (Wisky 27), Mich (29) Sagarin SOS- 53

 

LSU has 4 top 30 - VAT(8), Fla(10), AUB(24), UK(25) Sagarin SOS- 27

 

say what you want LSU having home games- they still played VTech which is a quality NC opponent

 

 

I don't even think LSU is that great of a team- but they are the clear #1 IMO

 

I think KU has to be the weakest #2 BCS this late in the season I can ever remember.

[godtomsatan]

KANSAS - not sure there has ever been a shakier #2 BCS this late in the season. I mean, they have ZERO quality wins, amazing.

 

They have absolutely destroyed 8 of their 11 opponents, and beat Kansas St., Colorado, and Texas A&M on the road by 6, 5, and 8 respectively, never trailing in the latter two. They didn't have to go to Austin, and they didn't have to go to Norman, but shoot....they are a frickin fun team to watch and Reesing or whatever the QBs name is looks like he could end up with the Heisman.

[wildcat2334]

They have absolutely destroyed 8 of their 11 opponents, and beat Kansas St., Colorado, and Texas A&M on the road by 6, 5, and 8 respectively, never trailing in the latter two. They didn't have to go to Austin, and they didn't have to go to Norman, but shoot....they are a frickin fun team to watch and Reesing or whatever the QBs name is looks like he could end up with the Heisman.

 

 

Yeah- it is a great story so far- no question. And if they win out they absolutely deserve the NC game. In this crazy year, they deserve the #2, to this point, they haven't really proved anything tho- you just can't ignore the horrible NC and the fact they skip OKL/Texas and TTech on their schedule though.

 

We will know more after the Mizzou game

[Sgt. Ryan]

Missouri and Ohio St would be a lackluster hyped game, but IMO, those are now the 2 best teams in the country.

[wildcat2334]

Missouri and Ohio St would be a lackluster hyped game, but IMO, those are now the 2 best teams in the country.

 

 

classic - just can't give LSU credit can you

[Rockerbraves]

That's only if you buy that LSU has that many quality victories. I mean, what exactly is a quality victory? A win over VT? And exactly what has VT done? Florida? I'm certain you aren't going to count teams like Alabama, Mississippi State, and Auburn. I mean the biggest joke ever was 6-5 Nick was ranked for as long as Bama was. Right now LSU's SOS is 10 spots higher than Ohio State, and if you know how "SOS" is tabulated, then you would know that 10 spots isn't that high. 27th to 37th. Should be noted, that LSU is gonna miss Georgia on the schedule, and if they don't miss Georgia, they miss Tennessee. They had all of there toughest games at home, and that includes the National Title game which seems inevitable right now for them. That's why I say, they should be viewed as one of the weaker National Champions ever, because they were unimpressive at home vs above average competition (not great), missed the 2nd best team in the SEC, and gets the national championship game at home.

Brian why don't you tell me exactly what you consider a quality win. Then please relate it to how you feel Slo-Hio's quality wins are better than LSU's over Virginia Tech and Florida. Oh yeah, why wouldn't you count Auburn since you are so convinced they are "the faster defense in the nation"

 

Granted Georgia is a fine ballclub and IMO would have deserved a shot at the NC had Michigan won this weekend, however LSU can't play both Tennessee and Georgia, so which one is better? Hard to say, Georgia has the better overall record yet Tennessee did beat Georgia rather convincingly this season. If any SEC team should be complaining it should be Florida since they were the only ones that had to play LSU this season. Somewhat similiar to what happen last season to LSU.

 

You keep referring to New Orleans as a home game for the Tigers. You do know Baton Rouge is 80 miles away, don't you? Even if you consider that an advantage to LSU it certainly is far from being a home game. I guess you don't think USC deserves but one national championship since they only earned one outside the Rose Bowl which is a hop skip and a jump away from USC campus.

[theeohiostate]

You do know Baton Rouge is 80 miles away, don't you? Even if you consider that an advantage to LSU it certainly is far from being a home game.

 

 

Anyone who'd even attempt to argue the FACT , it isn't a home game for LSU is completely

 

Your tygurs homers keep trying to sell the fact it's not a home game an an ABSOLUTE HUGE advantage , so if that no good for nothing defense shows up and acutally beats a quality offense in the national title game, you won't have to hear the "Home Field" excuse.

 

 

Well, keep preaching it, but ain't no one a listening to that pile of garbage.

Edited November 19, 2007 by theeohiostate

[Rockerbraves]

TOS how did that homefield advantage work out for your SLO-HIO bucks vs. that SEC wannabe Illinios team?

Edited November 19, 2007 by Rockerbraves

[sacosud]

TOS how did that homefield advantage work out for your SLO-HIO bucks vs. that SEC wannabe Illinios team?

What are you yapping about???

 

Illinois trying to be a SEC school???

 

Are you trying to say Illinois runs a spread and because of that they are trying to be a SEC school??

 

SEC fans are so full of themselves, 1 team beats OSU and the SEC wants credit for it.

 

Next thing you will say is Illinois is the only team running the spread in the Big Ten.

 

OR

 

Ron Zook is a ex SEC coach so he's the reason.

[theeohiostate]

TOS how did that homefield advantage work out for your SLO-HIO bucks vs. that SEC wannabe Illinios team?

 

 

 

Seems all the best college coaches have O-H-I-O backgrounds, so I'd say the SEC is doing it's best Big 10 dance

 

Even that idiot of a coach for LS"who?" , is wanting some Big 10 football, he knows where the beef is in college football, and longs to return to it.

[Rockerbraves]

What are you yapping about???

TOS thinks a team playing 80 miles away from home is a HUGE advantage. I was merely pointing out that Ohio State lost a real home game.

[Sgt. Ryan]

classic - just can't give LSU credit can you

 

 

Its not that. Have you seen them play. I just simply dont think they are that good. Their QB wouldnt start for any other top 10 team in the country. They dont have anyone at RB that stands out, and their Wr corp is pretty weak, outside Doucet. Yeah Yeah they have speed, but they have WRs that cant catch, so what good is that.

 

The D is suppose to be great, but have you seen anything that makes you think this D is really very good at all, if you were not told they are suppose to be good.

 

Their coach is a bumbling idiot, who lost the Kentucky game, and almost gave away with Auburn and Bama game.

 

 

Ohio St is a well coached team. They have a solid running game, and a strong D. I think OSU is better than LSU in every faze of the game, as well as coaching.

 

Im not sold on Kansas and think Missouri punks them next week. In fact woudlnt surprise me a bit to see Missouri beat OU the next time. Missouri is better than anyone is giving them credit for.