BS Miscreant Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I never prognosticate because it rarely turns out well but what the hell. The Mountaineers of West Virginia University will be one of the teams in the National Championship game. Not only that but they will win it(or at least do very well <he said sheepishly>). Now everyone run out and bet the house on them not doing it. Hurry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 West Virginia has a shot to win it all if they win out, but probably need one or maybe even two of these things to happen. LSU loss, Kansas/Missouri winner lose ithe Big 12 Championship, Arizona State to lose one more game. I think the only team they are safely ahead of is Ohio State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 West Virginia has a shot to win it all if they win out, but probably need one or maybe even two of these things to happen. A. LSU loss, B. Kansas/Missouri winner lose ithe Big 12 Championship, C. Arizona State to lose one more game. I think the only team they are safely ahead of is Ohio State. A. Non issue but would certainly do it. B. This is where it happens for them. C. I don't see this mattering whether they win or lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I think I said this back in August..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The ASU thing is tricky though, because a win over USC would be huge in the pollsters minds. Florida jumped Michigan in a similar scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 The ASU thing is tricky though, because a win over USC would be huge in the pollsters minds. Florida jumped Michigan in a similar scenario. I'm not saying it's out of the realm of possibility and beating USC is more impressive than beating UConn but there are a few significant differences between the two scenarios. 1. Florida was just a couple hundreths of a point behind Michigan. WVU is almost a full 10th ahead of ASU. 2. Florida beat Fla St and beat Arkansas in the SEC championship game while Michigan sat idle. WVU will be playing a ranked UConn team and Pitt while ASU play USC and UA. 3. The voters did not want to see a rematch between OSU and UM and many said as much. There is no rematch to avoid here. 4. ASU is basically a new kid on the big time scene(top 5 or so). And although WVU has yet to fully live up to expectations, they are expected to be there. Benefit of the doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 You're probably right, but if ASU beats USC, they could make a big jump in the polls, possibly ahead of WVU, and really why not? USC is certainly better than anyone on WVU's schedule. Polls count for 2/3rds of the BCS, so whoever is ranked higher, could have the edge. I don't think it's going to matter as I think USC will win anyway, but I'm telling you, the polls LOVE USC, and view any win over them as moses parting the red sea. My prediction is.... Missouri beats Kansas, Oklahoma beats Missouri. LSU should win out if they play Tennessee instead of Georgia. The Dawgs in Atlanta could spell trouble. I like WVU's chances of getting to the title game. I could easily see LSU lose the SEC CG, and like Oklahoma in 2003, still get into the title game. I think that would be a crime, as I don't think any team should get to play for a national championship, when they aren't even conference champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 (edited) You're probably right, but if ASU beats USC, they could make a big jump in the polls, possibly ahead of WVU, and really why not? USC is certainly better than anyone on WVU's schedule. Polls count for 2/3rds of the BCS, so whoever is ranked higher, could have the edge. I don't think it's going to matter as I think USC will win anyway, but I'm telling you, the polls LOVE USC, and view any win over them as moses parting the red sea. My prediction is.... Missouri beats Kansas, Oklahoma beats Missouri. LSU should win out if they play Tennessee instead of Georgia. The Dawgs in Atlanta could spell trouble. I like WVU's chances of getting to the title game. I could easily see LSU lose the SEC CG, and like Oklahoma in 2003, still get into the title game. I think that would be a crime, as I don't think any team should get to play for a national championship, when they aren't even conference champions. Agree completely. I think USC will beat ASU- and I agree on the Big 12, however I think Mizzou may have enough to win em both . we may be looking at either WVU/LSU or Mizzou/LSU. But, if ASU wins out- they deserve to be ranked ahead of WVU. Edited November 21, 2007 by wildcat2334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I could easily see LSU lose the SEC CG, and like Oklahoma in 2003, still get into the title game. I think that would be a crime, as I don't think any team should get to play for a national championship, when they aren't even conference champions. Your the first person I heard that thinks LSU could lose the SEC CG and still make it to the dome with 2 losses. SEC has an absolutely horrible reputation of taking care of the loser of their championship game. Maybe you can tell me. Has the loser of that game ever even received a BCS at large bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Your the first person I heard that thinks LSU could lose the SEC CG and still make it to the dome with 2 losses. SEC has an absolutely horrible reputation of taking care of the loser of their championship game. Maybe you can tell me. Has the loser of that game ever even received a BCS at large bid? The only loser of their respective conference championship game to ever play in a BCS game was OU (2002-2003) and they were unbeaten prior to their CG loss. Interestingly, a few conferences have been represented by two teams in the same year but the CG loser was not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 In the BCS era, no SEC runner up has. The only time you could have made a case was LSU's 2001 upset of Tennessee, but the media had a hard on for Florida that year for whatever reason, despite Tennessee winning the head to head in the swamp. 2001 was easily the worst year of the BCS ever and it really isn't close. I mean the biggest crime of all time was Nebraska getting a shot at Miami over Oregon. Nebraska gets 62 hung on them in their last regular season game doesn't even participate in the Big 12 title game, and somehow gets into the BCS National Championship game. And you know what put them over the top? TCU 14 Southern Miss 12. Because Nebraska beat TCU 21-7 earlier in the year, they earned enough strength of schedule percentage points to overtake Oregon. What a joke. THAT and the 2003 debacle, is the reason that the computers count for only 1/3 of the BCS now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Read your post but how does that explain why you think LSU has a chance to make to the BCS NC if they lose the SEC Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Well they are #1 right now, which is a huge difference from being #2. If they lose to say, Georgia, in like a nailbiter, classic showdown, basically in UGA's backyard, the pollsters might not be hard on them, especially considering, they are more marketable than Kansas or Missouri, i.e they have more "sex appeal". They may not drop them that far. I think they would need many things to happen, like WVU losing 1 of its last 2. Mizz beating Kansas is a must, and Oklahoma beating Mizz. USC beating AZ State. That leaves you with Kansas and Ohio State as the only 1 loss teams. I think you can safely bet, that Ohio State would be a lock in that scenario, but who would be #2? 2 loss LSU vs 1 loss Kansas. 2 Loss LSU vs 2 Loss West Virginia. 2 loss Oklahoma? All favorable to LSU in the eyes of the polls. See even though they haven't shown it, you're right, on paper, LSU does look extremely talented, and the fact they have 1 loss, and played in so many games that were close, is really beyond me, but the media has LSU's nuts on their chin. The media wanted SO BAD, LSU-USC this year. That was obvious by USC barely dropping after losing to Stanford at home. They wanted to keep USC in the mix. Oregon ruined that, and so did Kentucky, but again, Kentucky wins, and LSU doesn't drop hardly at all, and I'm sorry, but Kentucky, AINT THAT GOOD! 4 Losses, and going to a December bowl game. It aint good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted November 23, 2007 Author Share Posted November 23, 2007 (edited) West Virginia has a shot to win it all if they win out, but probably need one or maybe even two of these things to happen. LSU loss, Kansas/Missouri winner lose ithe Big 12 Championship, Arizona State to lose one more game. I think the only team they are safely ahead of is Ohio State. I never considered this an issue but since some did... There goes one obstacle. Edited November 23, 2007 by BS Miscreant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted November 23, 2007 Author Share Posted November 23, 2007 The early polls(involved in the BCS) should also be mentioned here. Harris (1st week) 1. USC 2 losses = no shot 2. LSU 3. Oklahoma 2 losses = no shot 4. Florida 3 losses = no shot 5. West Virginia USA Today (Week 1) 1. USC 2. LSU 3. Florida 4. West Virginia You know how the pollsters tend to like proving themselves right. Funny thing though. The more I look at the polls and the bigtime teams with 2 losses the more I like the chances of one of them in the CG... playing WVU of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 West Virginia has a shot to win it all if they win out, but probably need one or maybe even two of these things to happen. LSU loss, Kansas/Missouri winner lose ithe Big 12 Championship, Arizona State to lose one more game. I think the only team they are safely ahead of is Ohio State. Looking pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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