theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I figured since this is the BCS era, it'd be appropriate to use the BCS rankings in order to determine, whom is more worthy. Both teams has 1 loss on the season WV lost to S.Florida 21-13 OSU lost to Illinois 28-21 S. Florida is currently ranked 23rd in the BCS Illinois is currently ranked 17th in the BCS Egde goes to the Bucks for losing the a better quality opponent WV lost on Sept 28th OSU lost on Nov 10th Edge goes to WV for losing earlier in the season WV best quality win was #24 ranked Cincinnati OSU best quality win was #21 ranked Wisconsin Edge goes to OSU for the better quality win OSU has faced 6 top 45 teams WV has faced 3 top 45 teams Edge goes to OSU for better quality opponents and wins Using the BCS's own rankings, it's hard for any non homer to argue that OSU isn't the more deserving team. The ONLY positive for WV , is it lost 2 weeks earlier then OSU, I guess that mean's they're more deserving from the BCS standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 All I'd like to see happen is the idiots in suits have a press conference and tell us fans the TRUTH ! ! It's not who you play It's not how you win It's not who you lose to The main reasn a team makes the BCS games is....... You have to be a the Big 5 conferences to make the title game You have to have your loss earlier then the next guy Tell it like it is fellas, this best team chit doesn't fly anylonger, when we all know it's not true year in and year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 There's also the pre-season/early season rankings factor. Voters, like anyone else, want to be right. WVU was ranked very high in all the polls early on. They were expected to be there. Which means in most peoples eyes the Mountaineers came into the season as the better team and the Buckeyes haven't really done a whole bunch to prove otherwise. Does that make it right? No, but a factor nonetheless. Todays game with UConn is really what it all comes down to, assuming a WVU win against PITT next week. A win means one more victory against a top 25 or so opponent and of course a loss means they're done. I think it's a good comparison though. Two teams that haven't played terribly difficult schedules but most would agree are good, talented football teams. And they have managed to do what few in major college football have done this year... win all but one of their games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 Buckeyes haven't really done a whole bunch to prove otherwise. I think the Bucks were ranked #1 this season for longer then any other team, maybe LSU? So I'm not understanding this statement on how they haven't proved otherwise. The fact that they've consistently played and beaten better teams with a much greater margin of victory........doesn't prove anything? I don't think WV has been ranked #1 at all this season either. I don't think WV has proven more then the Bucks this season, and as such, it's obvious that the BCS values when you lose as opposed to who you play, who you beat of whom you lose to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 Checking out the Big East non conference schedule had me a little surprised Here is a list of their non conference opponents this season Duke NR Maine NR Temple NR Akron NR W.Michigan NR Marshall NR Maryland NR E.Carolina NR Mississippi St NR SE Missouri St NR Oregon St #37 UC beat them Miami OH NR San Diego St NR Elon NR Auburn #26 S.Florida beat them North Carolina NR Fla Atlantic NR UCF #34 S. Florida beat them Buffalo NR Navy NR Norfolk St NR E.Michigan NR Grambling NR Michigan St #36 Loss Iowa Illinois #17 Loss Virginia #16 Loss Murray St NR M. Tenn St NR Kentucky #28 Loss Syracuse NR NC State NR Utah #40 Loss The Big East has played 8 top 45 BCS teams. Their record is 3-5 against them. Neither of the 3 wins were for the top 2 teams UCONN or WV , those wins were gained by UC and S.Florida. They played 3 Big 10 teams and the Big East went 0-3 this season against the Big Ten. So, how is it again that the Bucks are behind WV in the polls, other then the fact they lost later in the season, even though they played better opponents, beat more top teams and their conference went 3-0 against the Big East ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 WV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 WVU - for a few reasons....... - Big East is a better, tougher conference than the Big 10 this year - Beating UCONN/ CIncy both better than OSU's big W over Wisky - WVU played a tougher NC- Maryland/Miss Sstate, Marshall vs Youngstown, Akron, Wash, Kent State - They lost Pat White, and were not sull strength vs USF - BCS has this one right. WVU deserves to be ahead of OSU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 WVU - for a few reasons....... - Big East is a better, tougher conference than the Big 10 this year I agree, the 3-0 H2H meetings the Big 10 had over the Big East this year means nothing - Beating UCONN/ CIncy both better than OSU's big W over Wisky I agree, UCONN is tuff beating Maine, Akron, Duke and Temple makes them a tougher out then Wisc or Michigan - WVU played a tougher NC- Maryland/Miss Sstate, Marshall vs Youngstown, Akron, Wash, Kent State Washington is better then any team WV played by a mile, and went 1-0 against the Big East this season - They lost Pat White, and were not sull strength vs USF S.Florida is a freakin JOKE, that is WV best win of the season, and USF has 3 losses one being to Rutgers - BCS has this one right. WVU deserves to be ahead of OSU BCS, has made the statement by saying, it's WHEN you lose as opposed to WHO the best team really is Nice try, but next time bring some facts, before I bust you up again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 WVU - for a few reasons....... - Big East is a better, tougher conference than the Big 10 this year - Beating UCONN/ CIncy both better than OSU's big W over Wisky - WVU played a tougher NC- Maryland/Miss Sstate, Marshall vs Youngstown, Akron, Wash, Kent State - They lost Pat White, and were not sull strength vs USF - BCS has this one right. WVU deserves to be ahead of OSU How is the Big East a better, tougher conference than the Big 10 this year? Any comments on the post TOS made two above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 (edited) How is the Big East a better, tougher conference than the Big 10 this year? Any comments on the post TOS made two above? He has nothing to bring to this discussion other then hatred for the Big Ten and the continuous pimping of any team other then his beloved wildcats. The fact is..........there are no facts you can find that support WV being ranked over OSU, other then the timeliness of their losses. The facts clearly show OSU is the more deserving team, any other conclussion is based on hate, homerism or stupidity. Edited November 24, 2007 by theeohiostate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Nice try, but next time bring some facts, before I bust you up again Bust me up - yer a joke. All you do is make excuses and irrelevant comparisons - All you do is tout the BCS when it suits yer wacko claims- then when OSU is somehow within reach of getting to the NC game- they have it all wrong- make up yer effing mind you have the mentality of short-bus riding 3rd grader..... yer 3-0 head to head proves nothing- this is about OSU/WVU- not whether MSU beats Pittsburgh- how is this relevant? Please don't even compare OSU's NC schedule to WVU- WVU played a tougher NC - not even close. WVU played a legit NC- OSU did not. The Big East played solid football this year and was rated ahead of the Big 10 all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 He has nothing to bring to this discussion other then hatred for the Big Ten and the continuous pimping of any team other then his beloved wildcats. The fact is..........there are no facts you can find that support WV being ranked over OSU, other then the timeliness of their losses. The facts clearly show OSU is the more deserving team, any other conclussion is based on hate, homerism or stupidity. hate the Big 10? negative - but the league stunk this year- most college football fans agree, OSU is paying the price for the league being down, and a joke of a NC- end of story yer an absolute fool- it is a waste of time even responding to yer wacko homer posts - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Bust me up - yer a joke. All you do is make excuses and irrelevant comparisons - All you do is tout the BCS when it suits yer wacko claims- then when OSU is somehow within reach of getting to the NC game- they have it all wrong- make up yer effing mind you have the mentality of short-bus riding 3rd grader..... yer 3-0 head to head proves nothing- this is about OSU/WVU- not whether MSU beats Pittsburgh- how is this relevant? Please don't even compare OSU's NC schedule to WVU- WVU played a tougher NC - not even close. WVU played a legit NC- OSU did not. The Big East played solid football this year and was rated ahead of the Big 10 all season. You realize the SOS of OSU is better than WVU, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 Bust me up - yer a joke. All you do is make excuses and irrelevant comparisons - All you do is tout the BCS when it suits yer wacko claims Yep, the BCS is irrelevent, yet the Sargains is much better for your posts, eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 You realize the SOS of OSU is better than WVU, right? negative- that all depends on yer source for SOS - and any SOS yer looking at is pre- UCONN game, which will only improve that - so no. Sagarin, for instance had WVU with a better SOS BEFORE the UCONN game today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 (edited) OSU is paying the price for the league being down, and a joke of a NC- end of story your just a complete moran, aren't you ? OSU paying a price for the Big 10 being down, in your opinon, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it. This statement shows your ignorace about college football. The ONLY price being paid , is the date OSU lost. Had OSU lost early in the season, like LSU or WV , there is no doubt, they'd be ranked #1 at this point. To suggest otherwise shows your ignorance. Once again, you can't provide any credible facts to dispute mine, and your resort to mere bashing and hatred. GROW UP ! Edited November 24, 2007 by theeohiostate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 negative- that all depends on yer source for SOS - and any SOS yer looking at is pre- UCONN game, which will only improve that - so no. Sagarin, for instance had WVU with a better SOS BEFORE the UCONN game today Sagarin? Check out the NCAA rankings, which actually matter: Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 (edited) it is a waste of time even responding to yer wacko homer posts - Please don't then. I don't like responding to every post you make each week pimping whatever Pac 10 school is doing well for that week. Nor do i like responding the your continued bashing of every Big 10 school. Nor do I like responding to you pimping every and all teams facing the Bucks. Your a tool, get over it, everyone else has It would be nice everyone once in awhile, if the guy named wildcats, posts something that shows he's a wildcats fan and not a USC fan Oregon fan WV fan LSU fan ASU fan UCLA fan ...........and so on..........and so on...........and so on. Your just a hired whore Edited November 24, 2007 by theeohiostate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Please don't then. I don't like responding to every post you make each week pimping whatever Pac 10 school is doing well for that week. Nor do i like responding the your continued bashing of every Big 10 school. Nor do I like responding to you pimping every and all teams facing the Bucks. Your a tool, get over it, everyone else has It would be nice everyone once in awhile, if the guy named wildcats, posts something that shows he's a wildcats fan and not a USC fan Oregon fan WV fan LSU fan ASU fan UCLA fan ...........and so on..........and so on...........and so on. yer such a doochbag is not even funny...You askED the question- I give you the reasons -laid them out nice and simple-like for you midwest folk. what? you don't like common sense responses to yer questions? yer an id-yet and a dumf*ck whiner This has zero to do with teh Pac 10, and I never once mentioned the Pac 10 - what is yer problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 (edited) yer such a doochbag is not even funny...You askED the question- I give you the reasons -laid them out nice and simple-like for you midwest folk.what? you don't like common sense responses to yer questions? yer an id-yet and a dumf*ck whiner This has zero to do with teh Pac 10, and I never once mentioned the Pac 10 - what is yer problem? Who you sleeping with this week..........whore. Oregon or UCLA ? I think it's far time for you to get a new username. pac10whore or maybe bandwagonboy Either suits you fine, but wildcats is laughable , since you rarely ever have mentioned them...........not that they're worth mentioning. Edited November 24, 2007 by theeohiostate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 yer such a doochbag is not even funny...You askED the question- I give you the reasons -laid them out nice and simple-like for you midwest folk.what? you don't like common sense responses to yer questions? yer an id-yet and a dumf*ck whiner This has zero to do with teh Pac 10, and I never once mentioned the Pac 10 - what is yer problem? He put down all of your arguments/points and you have yet to respond to them. You just attack tOSU. I think he has a point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 hate the Big 10? negative - but the league stunk this year- most college football fans agree, OSU is paying the price for the league being down, and a joke of a NC- end of story yer an absolute fool- it is a waste of time even responding to yer wacko homer posts - Once again, without posting some computer poll, what has the Big Ten done to show that it stunk this year, other than having a year where they scheduled BCS opponents that fell on hard times? The Big Ten did play a pretty weak NC schedule as a whole, but guess what, they won, like they were supposed to. Once again, you're basing all of this really on the Rose Bowl and BCS title game from last season, and the fact that Michigan lost to App State. 3 games means your conference stinks I guess. Boy, you're setting yourself up for one great big plate of crow if the sorry helpless Big Ten champion Ohio State beats the Pac 10 champion. Surely that should be the EASIEST game of the year. I'm hoping that Mizz/KU and WVU can take care of business just so I can see that game happen. But with the way teams are choking left and right, it looks like Ohio State may end up in the National Championship game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 ...and beaten better teams with a much greater margin of victory........ #20 CONN 21 #3 WVU 66 - They lost Pat White, and were not sull strength vs USF AAAHHHH!!! I wish everyone would stop saying that! White got knocked out of the game because USF's D was brutalizing he and the rest of the WVU ball carriers. I was at the game. His back-up came in and was actually outperforming him. Everyone around us in the stands, myself included, started yelling, "Put White back in!" White and Slaton are great players but USF has their number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 25, 2007 Author Share Posted November 25, 2007 #20 CONN 21 #3 WVU 66 Good win, but not to get carried away as UCONN is not top 30 material , and will fall to about 28th or so after being exposed. UCONN has played nor beaten anyone of merit this season. A good record will get you into the top 25, even if your Missouri Valley State Corrections Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfish2 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 (edited) As most of you know, this year in college football has been very weak. And now you ask who should be #1 after this week. Just like in LSU's case. Its going to be OSU, because the media thinks they are the best team out there...Too me there is not a team deserving to be #1 at this point. Can you truly give me a legit team....even if LSU would have won, did they deserve to be #1, no not a chance but they were the best team the media thought at the time... So don't give me OK, OSU, KU, USC, LSU, MIZZ, WVU, as a legit #1 because they can all be. That is why a playoff is needed BAD. Edited November 25, 2007 by neilfish2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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