Apple Cup

[sacosud]

Great game and Locker is another Tebow in the making.

 

 

72 yards rushing and 2 td's so far.

 

Locker will be a Heisman contender in the near future.

 

I bet Notre Dame is thinking twice right now.

[sacosud]

Locker out of breath and bleeding hand and Brink with a cut above his eye hits Gibson across the middle for a td.

 

35 All with 6 Mins too go.

 

Heavy weight fight back and forth.

 

It's a shame that with all the big matchups that this one seems lost in the shuffle because it's a

[sacosud]

WOW...Brink hits a bomb to Gibson with a Huskie on his leg!!!!! Gibson was wide open and that ball seemed to hang up there forever.

 

31 seconds for Locker.

 

 

Not a fan of either school, but nice game to watch.

[theprofessor]

Just got home from the game. The Huskies gave the game away with two costly penalties. The first one when Locker ran for 19 yards on a 3rd and 10 that got called back for holding and another with a few minutes left when we stopped the Cougars on 3rd down but got caught for defensive holding that kept their drive alive. Great game for Alex Brink and especially Brandon Gibson. I coached Brandon as he grew up in both football and basketball and he is an incredible athlete. He will soon break all WSU receiving records. He is good enough to play in the NFL right now but has 1 year left.

 

Jake Locker has to improve his passing, and he will, but he has the "IT" factor more than anyone I've seen play this game in a long time. He runs through tackles and he has an uncanny way of making big plays when there is nothing there. I can't understand why Ty doesn't use him to run the option more so he can create things in the open field? The kid is special on the field as well as off it. Husky fans are very, very fortunate to be able to witness the development of this one of a kind athlete.

 

If our defensive backs put on the same performance next week on the island, that they did at Montlake tonight , Colt will throw for 550 on them.

Edited November 25, 2007 by theprofessor

[Sgt. Ryan]

Jake Locker has to improve his passing, and he will, but he has the "IT" factor more than anyone I've seen play this game in a long time.

 

 

 

You must not be watching anyone else in college football then.

 

Tim Tebow

Chase Daniels

Sam Bradford

 

And Im probably missing a few names here, but you get the point.

[wildcat2334]

You must not be watching anyone else in college football then.

 

Tim Tebow

Chase Daniels

Sam Bradford

 

And Im probably missing a few names here, but you get the point.

 

the kid is special- and as a run/pass threat in the mold of Tebow- he wiill be better at both. He is ridiculously talented.

[Sgt. Ryan]

the kid is special- and as a run/pass threat in the mold of Tebow- he wiill be better at both. He is ridiculously talented.

 

No one said he isnt talented, but get real. Tebow is a true sophmore, already doing 10 times more than Locker.

 

Personally, I dont think having success against Wash St, or lack of success as they lost the game, is that impressive.

 

 

Locker is 2-8 in his last 10 games. with 13 passing TD's all season, he is a 48.6 % passer, with 1696 pass yards in 12 games, with only 1 more TD than INT (13-12)

 

 

Im sorry but these passing stats flat out suck.

 

 

 

So what he can run 807 yards on 143 carries and 10 TDS, if he cant lead his team to more than 4 wins all season.

 

 

 

Tebow on the other hand is a 66% passer 18 % higher than Locker

Tebow threw for 2870 yards - over 1000 more

Tebow passed for 26 TDS, double that of locker

Tebow had only 6 picks, half as many as Locker

Tebow had 22 rushing TDS, 12 more than Locker

 

Tebow was 9-3, the favorite for the Heisman, and the only player to ever rush and throw for 20+ TDs in a season.

 

Sorry, Locker couldnt sniff Tebows joke, and quite frankly after looking at the stats, Locker couldnt sniff the top 40 QBs in college football.

Edited November 25, 2007 by Sgt. Ryan

[theprofessor]

No one said he isnt talented, but get real. Tebow is a true sophmore, already doing 10 times more than Locker.

 

Personally, I dont think having success against Wash St, or lack of success as they lost the game, is that impressive.

Locker is 2-8 in his last 10 games. with 13 passing TD's all season, he is a 48.6 % passer, with 1696 pass yards in 12 games, with only 1 more TD than INT (13-12)

Im sorry but these passing stats flat out suck.

So what he can run 807 yards on 143 carries and 10 TDS, if he cant lead his team to more than 4 wins all season.

Tebow on the other hand is a 66% passer 18 % higher than Locker

Tebow threw for 2870 yards - over 1000 more

Tebow passed for 26 TDS, double that of locker

Tebow had only 6 picks, half as many as Locker

Tebow had 22 rushing TDS, 12 more than Locker

 

Tebow was 9-3, the favorite for the Heisman, and the only player to ever rush and throw for 20+ TDs in a season.

 

Sorry, Locker couldnt sniff Tebows joke, and quite frankly after looking at the stats, Locker couldnt sniff the top 40 QBs in college football.

 

You're the one that isn't watching. If you WERE watching you would see that Locker has very little talent around him and carries his team on his back every week. It's unfair to compare Tebow's numbers to Lockers because Locker has no where close to the talent around him that Tebow does. It would be scary to see the kind of numbers Locker would produce if he had the supporting cast that Tebow does. I would guarantee you Locker would put up BIGGER numbers than Tebow with the talent that Florida has. Jake Locker

 

Lockers passing efficiency is skewed a bit because most of his throws are attempted on the run when he has been flushed out of the pocket or because of design. I would be the first one to say that this part of his game needs work but let's not forget that Jake is just a freshman. He is an incredible competitor and to go out there and compete last night the way he did two weeks after the scary neck injury that he suffered at Oregon State speaks volumes about this kids toughness and desire to win.

 

40 QB's better than Locker

 

Curious as to why Locker would want to sniff Tebow's jokes

 

Jake Locker = Heisman 2009

Edited November 25, 2007 by theprofessor

[theprofessor]

And, just for the record, Tim Tebow couldn't sniff Colt Brennan's jokes either!

Edited November 25, 2007 by theprofessor

[GWPFFL BrianW]

I've actually seen a lot of Jake Locker, and yes, he is a stud. Put some pieces around him and Washington will be a force again in the Pac 10 I feel.

[wildcat2334]

I've actually seen a lot of Jake Locker, and yes, he is a stud. Put some pieces around him and Washington will be a force again in the Pac 10 I feel.

 

 

yeah - you cannot ignore his talent- the guy is a freak. Tebow is a stud as well- and I would have no problem with him winning the Heisman- he has had a great year.

 

My point on Locker was just simply that he has more raw athletic ablitiy than Tebow, and once his passing falls into place will be a better all around QB than Tebow, and a better pro prospect. Obviously he isn't in a position to succeed like Tebow at FLA, and won't have the sick numbers.

[Possum Jenkins]

Great game and Locker is another Tebow in the making.

72 yards rushing and 2 td's so far.

 

Locker will be a Heisman contender in the near future.

 

I bet Notre Dame is thinking twice right now.

 

OK - I'll take the bait. Locker is a stud, and ND is probably wishing they had landed him.

 

Oh, you meant ND wishes they still had Willingham. Nope, not in a million years. In the last 3 years Charlie Weis has 6 wins against the PAC 10. I wonder how many wins Ty has? Oh that's right - 6 wins. Except Ty plays in that conference, so 6 wins in 3 years isn't all that good. Finishing last in the PAC 10 yet again isn't all that good.

 

Professor, I agree - if Locker was surrounded by talent Washington would be a force to be reckoned with. The problem is that Ty will never get you talent, because he is a lazy recruiter with a penchant for throwing his players under the bus when the chips are down. You will have to be content with recruiting classes that are regularly ranked between #35 and #50. And let me help you understand why "Ty doesn't use him to run the option more so that he can create things in the open field". It is because Ty is a $hitty coach. Locker will stagnate on what will be at best a .500 team while he is there, and it is because Ty can't (or more accurately won't) recruit.

 

ND hit rock bottom. They will be respectable next year, and in 2009 they will be top 10. I look forward to the ND/Washington game next year... I think that will prove whether or not ND made the right choice.

[theprofessor]

OK - I'll take the bait. Locker is a stud, and ND is probably wishing they had landed him.

 

Oh, you meant ND wishes they still had Willingham. Nope, not in a million years. In the last 3 years Charlie Weis has 6 wins against the PAC 10. I wonder how many wins Ty has? Oh that's right - 6 wins. Except Ty plays in that conference, so 6 wins in 3 years isn't all that good. Finishing last in the PAC 10 yet again isn't all that good.

 

Professor, I agree - if Locker was surrounded by talent Washington would be a force to be reckoned with. The problem is that Ty will never get you talent, because he is a lazy recruiter with a penchant for throwing his players under the bus when the chips are down. You will have to be content with recruiting classes that are regularly ranked between #35 and #50. And let me help you understand why "Ty doesn't use him to run the option more so that he can create things in the open field". It is because Ty is a $hitty coach. Locker will stagnate on what will be at best a .500 team while he is there, and it is because Ty can't (or more accurately won't) recruit.

 

ND hit rock bottom. They will be respectable next year, and in 2009 they will be top 10. I look forward to the ND/Washington game next year... I think that will prove whether or not ND made the right choice.

 

I think that the decision as to the "right choice" has already been determined in Notre Dames won - loss record. Write this down ...........Notre Dame will NEVER finish in the Top 10 with Charlie Tuna at the helm. He is proving to be the most overhypred POS coach in the country,

[Sgt. Ryan]

Its easy to say if this or if that. Point is, Locker is a 48% passer, with 1 less TD than INT. Neither of those stats have much to do with talent around him. I agree wins and loses do, but Tom Brady had no talent on offense around him last yr, and he wasnt a 48% passer, and he didnt have 1 less pick than TD. So blow this guy all you want, and I agree he has talent, Ive seen him play on TV a few times. But he is no where near Tebow, Daniels, Ressing, Bradford, Brennon, and I could go on and on. Good QB's make smart decisions.

 

This guy reminds me of a poor mans Michael Vick. Strong arm, but erratic, always looks to run, and makes poor decisions. Just a joke to say this guy will be better than Tebow, as Tebow will always have talent around him, and makes great decisions. 2 things Locker may never have.

[godtomsatan]

Its easy to say if this or if that. Point is, Locker is a 48% passer, with 1 less TD than INT. Neither of those stats have much to do with talent around him. I agree wins and loses do, but Tom Brady had no talent on offense around him last yr, and he wasnt a 48% passer, and he didnt have 1 less pick than TD. So blow this guy all you want, and I agree he has talent, Ive seen him play on TV a few times. But he is no where near Tebow, Daniels, Ressing, Bradford, Brennon, and I could go on and on. Good QB's make smart decisions.

 

This guy reminds me of a poor mans Michael Vick. Strong arm, but erratic, always looks to run, and makes poor decisions. Just a joke to say this guy will be better than Tebow, as Tebow will always have talent around him, and makes great decisions. 2 things Locker may never have.

 

I actually agree more on the side with sgt.ryan on this one, and I'm a UW alum. The game and a half with Carl Bonnell at the helm was as solid as the offense looked all season. I believe that Locker is a phenomenal athlete, but I did not see him make the rest of the team better. I saw all the defenses key in on what he was doing and neutralize the offense on far too many occasions. Not that the kid (a freshman, mind you) will not be better and it is going to be fantastic to see him develop.

 

And Willingham will be lucky enough if he's walking the Montlake sideline next fall....

[sacosud]

OK - I'll take the bait. Locker is a stud, and ND is probably wishing they had landed him.

 

Oh, you meant ND wishes they still had Willingham. Nope, not in a million years. In the last 3 years Charlie Weis has 6 wins against the PAC 10. I wonder how many wins Ty has? Oh that's right - 6 wins. Except Ty plays in that conference, so 6 wins in 3 years isn't all that good. Finishing last in the PAC 10 yet again isn't all that good.

 

Professor, I agree - if Locker was surrounded by talent Washington would be a force to be reckoned with. The problem is that Ty will never get you talent, because he is a lazy recruiter with a penchant for throwing his players under the bus when the chips are down. You will have to be content with recruiting classes that are regularly ranked between #35 and #50. And let me help you understand why "Ty doesn't use him to run the option more so that he can create things in the open field". It is because Ty is a $hitty coach. Locker will stagnate on what will be at best a .500 team while he is there, and it is because Ty can't (or more accurately won't) recruit.

 

ND hit rock bottom. They will be respectable next year, and in 2009 they will be top 10. I look forward to the ND/Washington game next year... I think that will prove whether or not ND made the right choice.

Are you serious??? What your saying then is Ty in his 3 years at ND recruited classes ranging 35-50???? I sure would check that stat before throwing it out there. Do you understand where the Washington program was when Ty took the program over????? Your comparing Washington to ND in recruiting???? Guess what he hit a home run with Locker and Weiss did pretty good with Ty's recruits his first year and now that Ty's class is gone we see the results. ND is a 10 loss program!!! 10 L's my man. I think that speaks a lot about the coaching staff and it's not Ty's class or his staff that smells like spoiled Tuna.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

The problem is Charlie doesn't know the first thing about developing. He's used to getting the finished product, and calling plays. It's evident because notre dame doesn't know how to do the very basic things. You know how many qb's enter college football that have never even taken a snap under center? too many to count. It's why you'll never see a Texas Tech QB do anything at the pro level, because they have spent 8 years in shotgun.

[theprofessor]

Are you serious??? What your saying then is Ty in his 3 years at ND recruited classes ranging 35-50???? I sure would check that stat before throwing it out there. Do you understand where the Washington program was when Ty took the program over????? Your comparing Washington to ND in recruiting???? Guess what he hit a home run with Locker and Weiss did pretty good with Ty's recruits his first year and now that Ty's class is gone we see the results. ND is a 10 loss program!!! 10 L's my man. I think that speaks a lot about the coaching staff and it's not Ty's class or his staff that smells like spoiled Tuna.

 

+1

[theprofessor]

Its easy to say if this or if that. Point is, Locker is a 48% passer, with 1 less TD than INT. Neither of those stats have much to do with talent around him. I agree wins and loses do, but Tom Brady had no talent on offense around him last yr, and he wasnt a 48% passer, and he didnt have 1 less pick than TD. So blow this guy all you want, and I agree he has talent, Ive seen him play on TV a few times. But he is no where near Tebow, Daniels, Ressing, Bradford, Brennon, and I could go on and on. Good QB's make smart decisions.

 

This guy reminds me of a poor mans Michael Vick. Strong arm, but erratic, always looks to run, and makes poor decisions. Just a joke to say this guy will be better than Tebow, as Tebow will always have talent around him, and makes great decisions. 2 things Locker may never have.

 

I think your wrong, but what's new? I will make you a bet ..... I will bet you that Jake Locker will have a better NFL career than each of the 5 QB's you mention above. You tell me what you would like from our fine state (King Salmon, Starbucks Coffee, Bill Gates portrait,Jake Locker Jersey ) You name it. It's yours. All I want from you is for you to get on this message board and say that I was right. It will be a glorious day!

[Sgt. Ryan]

I think your wrong, but what's new? I will make you a bet ..... I will bet you that Jake Locker will have a better NFL career than each of the 5 QB's you mention above. You tell me what you would like from our fine state (King Salmon, Starbucks Coffee, Bill Gates portrait,Jake Locker Jersey ) You name it. It's yours. All I want from you is for you to get on this message board and say that I was right. It will be a glorious day!

 

 

I dont want anything, and Im about to burst your bubble, but you have been right on this board at least once before. Maybe only once, but you agreed with me at least once.

[Goopster24]

Are you serious??? What your saying then is Ty in his 3 years at ND recruited classes ranging 35-50???? I sure would check that stat before throwing it out there. Do you understand where the Washington program was when Ty took the program over????? Your comparing Washington to ND in recruiting???? Guess what he hit a home run with Locker and Weiss did pretty good with Ty's recruits his first year and now that Ty's class is gone we see the results. ND is a 10 loss program!!! 10 L's my man. I think that speaks a lot about the coaching staff and it's not Ty's class or his staff that smells like spoiled Tuna.

 

His recruiting was awful after his first year. It was 30th.

 

Link

[LiL10(s)ArEaJoKe]

Jake Locker = Heisman 2009

 

I hope not, I really hope that the Heisman Trophy will have Demarco Murry's name on it come '09.........

[Possum Jenkins]

Are you serious??? What your saying then is Ty in his 3 years at ND recruited classes ranging 35-50???? I sure would check that stat before throwing it out there. Do you understand where the Washington program was when Ty took the program over????? Your comparing Washington to ND in recruiting???? Guess what he hit a home run with Locker and Weiss did pretty good with Ty's recruits his first year and now that Ty's class is gone we see the results. ND is a 10 loss program!!! 10 L's my man. I think that speaks a lot about the coaching staff and it's not Ty's class or his staff that smells like spoiled Tuna.

 

No, that's not what I'm saying, and maybe I overstated Ty's recruiting mediocrity by 5-10 points. But the fact remains that the last two classes at ND that Ty recruited were ranked 30th and 27th (by Scout.com). The majority of those classes left when Ty did, so they aren't even that good, and they are the jr and sr classes at ND right now. Ty so far has recruited classes at Washington ranked 35 (2006), 29 (2007) and 30 (projected 2008). Ty did have a #5 recruiting class at ND in 2003 after he finished 2002 at 10-3 (with Bob Davies recruits - you can't have it both ways). Then his work ethic kicked in and he hit the golf courses instead of the recruiting trail.

 

Bottom line is that if Willingham had recruited classes like Weis - #5 (2006), #11 (2007), #1 (projected 2008) he would still be at ND. He got dumped because there was no hope with him at the helm. ND will be back in the top 25 in 2008 and a top 10 team in 2009. Washington without Locker is at the bottom of the PAC 10. Oh wait, Washington WITH Locker is at the bottom of the PAC 10...

 

Oh, and you mention the sorry state of affairs that the Washington program was in when Ty took it over. In the three years prior to Ty Washington had a record of 14-22. In the three years since Ty took over Washington has a record (assuming a loss to Hawaii, which is inevitable) of 11-26.

 

And ND is a 9 loss program - 9 L's my man. Don't make it worse than it already is...

[Possum Jenkins]

The problem is Charlie doesn't know the first thing about developing. He's used to getting the finished product, and calling plays. It's evident because notre dame doesn't know how to do the very basic things. You know how many qb's enter college football that have never even taken a snap under center? too many to count. It's why you'll never see a Texas Tech QB do anything at the pro level, because they have spent 8 years in shotgun.

 

I believe this will change for 2008. I agree with you, and ND paid the price in 2007 for Weis's shortcomings when it came to developing players. The list is endless - very little contact in spring and fall camp, not playing the backups in his first two years, the clusterf@#k that was the quarterback carousel leading up until the GT game and beyond. All of these things contributed to a team that sorely lacked the fundamentals. Couple this with the void at senior leadership and Charlie screwed this one up royally. He will fix it in the offseason this year. Clausen will have an offseason where he can lift and throw instead of rehab, and he will get the majority of snaps in practice instead of sharing them with three other QB's. The offensive line (which was truly offensive this year) remains intact from the last two games of the season (both wins). They will be much better (they can't get any worse). The defense returns 8 starters and plenty more that saw ample playing time, along with more than a few 4 and 5 star frosh coming in.

 

ND has 8+ wins in 2008.

[Possum Jenkins]

I think that the decision as to the "right choice" has already been determined in Notre Dames won - loss record. Write this down ...........Notre Dame will NEVER finish in the Top 10 with Charlie Tuna at the helm. He is proving to be the most overhypred POS coach in the country,

 

They will finish in the top 10 in 2009.

 

How 'bout throwing some of that King Salmon my way Prof? I won't even ask for odds (although I am definitely taking the longer shot of the two choices).