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PART 2---Issue regarding free agency!


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Thanks for the many responses to the other thread....I value everyone's input on this site. Here is the thread if anyone wants to chime in:

 

Original Feeley Thread

 

So now that most of the responses are in, it appears unanimous that the Feeley move should have been allowed to stand. Now, what should be done about it?

 

Here is dilema #2: suppose the Commish bends, and inserts Feeley in the Owner's line-up today. The owner's opponent is going to have a bird. Further, other owner's may chime in and say "Hey, we wanted to make moves on Friday and Saturday, but we read the post, and knew we weren't allowed. We followed your instructions, and now we are penalized?"

 

Should the commish, at this point, do something, or do nothing? Is it wrong to insert Feeley into the owner's line-up after the results are in? Suppose Feeley had been a dud...it would be easy for the Commish to say "you wanted Feeley, you got him"....should the results affect what is done to solve the issue at this point, or do we just chalk it up to a learning experience, and move on?

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Since this move would obviously alter the final outcome of the game, there is no great way to solve this issue. I would have the two owners who are affected by this situation play rock, scissors, paper to determine the outcome, then write down the rules clearly for future reference.

 

Edit to say that there is no way Feeley's performance can be removed from the decision at this point. If you have to make a decision, I lean toward leaving things the way they are. If the guy who wanted Feeley made a stink about this situation before the games were played, I'd feel differently. If, by some chance, Feeley did have a lousy game, he'd probably say to himself "man, I guess I was lucky that pickup didn't go through."

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Since this move would obviously alter the final outcome of the game, there is no great way to solve this issue. I would have the two owners who are affected by this situation play rock, scissors, paper to determine the outcome, then write down the rules clearly for future reference.

 

Edit to say that there is no way Feeley's performance can be removed from the decision at this point. If you have to make a decision, I lean toward leaving things the way they are. If the guy who wanted Feeley made a stink about this situation before the games were played, I'd feel differently. If, by some chance, Feeley did have a lousy game, he'd probably say to himself "man, I guess I was lucky that pickup didn't go through."

 

Per the original thread, the guy that wanted Feeley did make a stink about it on Saturday, was rebuffed by the commish, and now we are at the current situation.

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Thanks for the many responses to the other thread....I value everyone's input on this site. Here is the thread if anyone wants to chime in:

 

Original Feeley Thread

 

So now that most of the responses are in, it appears unanimous that the Feeley move should have been allowed to stand. Now, what should be done about it?

 

Here is dilema #2: suppose the Commish bends, and inserts Feeley in the Owner's line-up today. The owner's opponent is going to have a bird. Further, other owner's may chime in and say "Hey, we wanted to make moves on Friday and Saturday, but we read the post, and knew we weren't allowed. We followed your instructions, and now we are penalized?"

 

Should the commish, at this point, do something, or do nothing? Is it wrong to insert Feeley into the owner's line-up after the results are in? Suppose Feeley had been a dud...it would be easy for the Commish to say "you wanted Feeley, you got him"....should the results affect what is done to solve the issue at this point, or do we just chalk it up to a learning experience, and move on?

 

 

Did the team with feeley play another qb that was active yesterday?

 

Did they post anything to the site or let anyone else beside the commish know about the situation prior to the games?

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Did the team with feeley play another qb that was active yesterday?

 

Did they post anything to the site or let anyone else beside the commish know about the situation prior to the games?

 

1. He was forced into using Boller, who scored 9 points in our system....Feeley was good for 25. He currently leads his opponent by 18, with his opponent having Big Ben tonight....with Feeley, he'd be up by 34. With QBs getting 6 points for TD passes in our league, its a huge difference in his cushion.

 

2. Nope, he called the Commish directly on Saturday after he got notice his move was reversed. Commish has been honest, and said the owner let him know on Saturday that he would indeed have started Feeley had the move been allowed to stand.

 

EDIT: Feeley was a free agent, not on someone else's roster. Feeley is currently stilla free agent, pending waivers tomorrow night.

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The commish is going to have to take the heat on this one for assuming every one read what was posted.The owners who knew what the rule was would likely have picked up their players already,where as the player who didnt wouldnt have and was placed at a disadvantage.

 

Did the players who werent allowed to make pickups the first time complain?

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I think the Commish needs to allow Feeley to be inserted into the Owner's lineup. His opponent will be upset, but that's the fairest objective opinion of outsiders with FF experience. He has to live with what is the right thing here.

 

In terms of other owners who followed the unwritten rules... are you sure that they will come forward and say they wanted to make moves after Thursday but didn't? Or would they be doing that just to cause trouble (because I know some owners like to pull that crap)?

 

I think that either way, the Commish has to just say that since nobody but the Feeley guy showed any intentions of picking up anyone else, that they are just out of luck for this last week with nobody to blame but the Commish (you can't guess at what their unpublished intentions might have been at this point). If they want to beat the Commish up for it, then they can be dicks and beat him up for it, but the cool thing to do would be to just make things right with the Feeley owner and then just get everyone on the same page moving forward (which is to continue to allow it for the rest of the season).

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The commish should just take his lumps on this one. Insert Feeley into the lineup, ammend the score and move on.

 

You can't make decisions based on what someone might or might not have done. The other owners have no claim because they didn't try to make any moves covered by this situation. The guy who tried to pick up Feeley does; he clearly tried to make the move and then just as clearly complained about the commish pulling the rug out from under him.

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Did the players who werent allowed to make pickups the first time complain?

 

No, no one complained. Because it had never been an issue in prior years, no one even really knew for sure what the rule was.

 

The way it went down in Week 1 was this:

 

Team A made a pick-up on Friday after the Thrusday game had been played. Team B inquired to the Commish as to whether this was legal. Commish stated he thought it was OK. Team B then makes a move of their own. On the Tuedsay after the weekend (when all games were final), Team C alerts Commish that moves like this were illegal. After chatting about it, Commish agrees. But does nothing...does not alert the league that moves like this are illegal, nor does he reverse the moves that were made (in part because one of the free agents picked-up was started, and it would have opened a huge can of worms to reverse it at that point). So he just lets it go.

 

Problem was, he didn't notify anyone else in the league that he let it go, that the moves were ilelgal, etc. A post that stated something like "I screwed up, allowed these moves to happen, but they are illegal going forward" would have prevented this issue altogether.

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Using a message board posting to slide the comment about free agency not being active after the first game of the week was weak for 2 reasons:

1. The title of the bulletin board posting (Trade) isn't something that would not catch my attention if I was an owner that wasn't involved in the trade. I would see the trade reflected in transactions and rosters, I wouldn't care who approved it.

2. He sat on the week 1 fiasco until the next Thursday game appears on the schedule, and tries to slip it into a bulletin board posting. If a formal email went out to all owners, it would highlight the issue from week 1, so he tried to sneak it in a way that actually wouldn't be noticed.

 

Add to the equation that your site (which the commissioner has the ability to restrict when waivers can be processed) allowed the owner to process the Feeley waiver on Friday, putting him on his roster until it was reversed on Saturday, just adds to the case for the Feeley owner.

 

It would be one thing if the Feeley guy went to process the waiver on Friday and was not allowed, and his beef is that it should have been allowed. The fact that the rule was "unwritten", the waiver process was open on the site, there was precedent set in week 1, and the waiver was processed.

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Thanks to ugly weather in Pittsburgh and a game Miami D, it looks like this Feeley fiasco won't effect the outcome of the matchup.

 

Thought I'd post the result: Commish, with input from all the other owners, retroactively inserted Feeley into the Owner's line-up....and as many of you wrote, this was the right thing to do. There was some concern, since a few other owners said they would have picked up the likes of Ricjy Williams/Andre Hall on Friday/Saturday had they been able to make moves, but didn't even try because they read the Commish's post that it was illegal to do so. Further, since we are a waivers-based league, these same owners will have little chance to pick up these players, since they are not near the top of the wiaver-order. They do indeed have a valid claim.

 

But at the end of the day, I think the best interests of the league were served by the decision that was made. Most importantly, the opponent of the Owner with Feeley was 100% in his corner....kudos for looking past his own personal situation and voicing an opinion that he felt was better for the overall state of our league.

 

The Feeley owner put out a post last night, saying he felt badly for everyone it went down the way it did, and hoping that Big Ben would score less than 18, or more than 34, so the decision wouldn't have a bearing on the outcome of their head-to-head match-up. The weather in Pitt made this a reality...Feeley owner would have won with Boller, so in the end, it wasn't a decision that directly bit anyone hard.

 

thanks again to everyone who chimed in...the threads were forwarded to our Commish, and no-doubt played a part in helping him make the decision he did.

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