Savage Beatings Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 This morning on KFAN someone was saying that Tarvaris Jackson has really been progressing well over the last couple of weeks. I don't see it. Granted he is not playing so bad that he is losing games, but in his career so far he only has managed one single game in which he has thrown for over 200 yards, and that was last year against the Rams. So look at his stats below, and then make a case for why Tarvaris should be the Vikings franchise QB of the future. 2006 Starts +----------+--------------------------+----------------+| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| 13 chi | 3 4 35 0 0 | 1 2 0 || 15 nyj | 14 23 177 1 1 | 3 20 0 || 16 gnb | 10 20 50 0 1 | 5 23 0 || 17 stl | 20 34 213 1 2 | 7 34 1 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| TOTAL | 47 81 475 2 4 | 16 79 1 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+ 2007 Starts +----------+--------------------------+----------------+| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| 1 atl | 13 23 163 1 1 | 2 10 0 || 2 det | 17 33 166 0 4 | 5 16 1 || 6 chi | 9 23 136 1 0 | 0 0 0 || 7 dal | 6 19 72 0 0 | 4 20 0 || 9 sdg | 6 12 63 0 0 | 2 19 0 || 11 oak | 17 22 171 0 1 | 3 19 0 || 12 nyg | 10 12 129 1 0 | 5 38 0 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| TOTAL | 78 144 900 3 6 | 21 122 1 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+ What do you think? Is this just typical of a young talented QB who is still learning the ropes, or is this a backup QB at best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 IMO he sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He has the raw skills to be good but thats where it ends I think. He doesn't seem to have that leadership quality you need in a QB. I also don't know if he has the football IQ to be a field general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I don't think you can come up with any kind of judgement on him yet. It takes more then playing two games in a row to decide if anyone is an NFL caliber QB. I'd like to see him play 5-6 games in a row and then step back and see how he has progressed. See how he adjusts to the speed of the game. If he starts to get into a rhythm with his wrs. He was 17 for 22 two games a go. This past week 10 for 12. Jeebus...does he have to throw for 300 yards every game before you can see improvement? Give the guy a chance. He has yet to play more then two games in a row due to injuries. Granted, he if can't stay healthy enough to play 5-6 games in a row, then maybe he's just not durable enough to be an NFL QB either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 he was RAW when he was drafted and probably would have been better served sitting for a couple of years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He was 17 for 22 two games a go. This past week 10 for 12. Jeebus...does he have to throw for 300 yards every game before you can see improvement? He has 5 career TD's and 10 INT's in 11 starts. He's thrown more TD's than INT's in 2 of those starts. I'm all for being optimistic, but he hasn't shown me much of anything. If his primary function is going to be not f*cking things up so the defense or special teams or running game can win the game, because that's all he can do, they need to find themselves a new QB. All that being said, in order to give him a fair chance, they should probably get him a legitimate veteran WR to throw to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirehairman Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 he was RAW when he was drafted and probably would have been better served sitting for a couple of years Sitting behing McNabb for the next couple of years will be just what the doctor ordered. :fingerscrossed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Sitting behing McNabb for the next couple of years will be just what the doctor ordered. :fingerscrossed: Good Lord I hope they don't bring that fatass underachiever in. Anderson yes, McNabb, no f'ing way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystykoekaki Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I think he has vastly improved, he seems for relaxed and calm and doesn't force throws too often. I like his potential but I'm not sure he will ever achieve much beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted November 27, 2007 Author Share Posted November 27, 2007 does he have to throw for 300 yards every game before you can see improvement? No, he doesn't have to do that every game, but can he even throw for one 300 yard game? That's my question. I'm all for giving someone a legitimate chance to prove themselves, but what I'm worried about is what happens in the upcoming off-season. Do we go after a Veteran QB? Do we go after another rookie QB in the draft (there are some very tempting young QBs coming up this year)? Or do we roll the dice again with Tarvaris and hope that he will improve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 he was RAW when he was drafted and probably would have been better served sitting for a couple of years yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He has 5 career TD's and 10 INT's in 11 starts. He's thrown more TD's than INT's in 2 of those starts. I'm all for being optimistic, but he hasn't shown me much of anything. If his primary function is going to be not f*cking things up so the defense or special teams or running game can win the game, because that's all he can do, they need to find themselves a new QB. All that being said, in order to give him a fair chance, they should probably get him a legitimate veteran WR to throw to. I never said he was lighting it up yet. But I think the last two starts have been an improvement over his other starts. Savage said he hasn't shown improvement. I disagree, I believe he has shown some improvement. Were his last two starts good enough to say, oh goody, he is an NFL QB? No, they weren't. Not yet. But like I said, lets see what he looks like after he's able to play 5-6 games IN A ROW...then I feel its reasonable to take a look at things and make some kind of judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 No, he doesn't have to do that every game, but can he even throw for one 300 yard game? That's my question. I'm all for giving someone a legitimate chance to prove themselves, but what I'm worried about is what happens in the upcoming off-season. Do we go after a Veteran QB? Do we go after another rookie QB in the draft (there are some very tempting young QBs coming up this year)? Or do we roll the dice again with Tarvaris and hope that he will improve? Well....IF AP is running for 300 a game, it makes it tough to also throw for 300 a game At this point, I'm hoping he can stay healthy enough the rest of the season so we can get a legitimate look at what he's got. If he can't stay healthy enought to do that, then it's too bad, but that's all he gets. I do know, there aren't going to be any free agent QBs out there in the off season. Grossman, Lemon, Culpepper, Rattay, Mccown are what's going to be available. If TJ isnt the answer, then we're probably going to have to trade for a vet like Mcnabb, Anderson or maybe Brady Quinn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) He has time to improve still and has looked better.Last week was one of the first times I remember him using his legs instead of forcing a bad pass or taking a sack. Childress mixing up the plays on offense and becoming less predictable would only help him in the long run along with the development of Rice. Edited November 27, 2007 by xtra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) Try and guess who this is 1st 9 starts 3-6 as a starter only passed for over 200 yards once(201) 1314 Passing Yards 35 Rushing Yards and NO TDs 9 TDs to 11 Ints 48.9% completion % 3 Fumbles , 1 lost Sacked 15 Times Now look at TJax for his first 9 starts 5-4 as a starter Tjax has thrown for over 200 only once(213) 1340 Passing Yards 199 Rushing Yards with 2 Rushing TDs 5 TDs to 10 Ints 55.2% completion % 5 Fumbles , 1 lost Sacked 19 Times Edited November 27, 2007 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) hint: that was a highly touted QB coming into the draft Edited November 27, 2007 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted November 27, 2007 Author Share Posted November 27, 2007 hint: that was a highly touted QB coming into the draft Dan Pastorini? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 hint: that was a highly touted QB coming into the draft Do you want us to actually research that? That is crazy talk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Do you want us to actually research that? That is crazy talk! no you can just guess and savage you are wrong here is another one: 1st 9 starts(another highly touted QB coming into the draft) 3-6 as a starter only passed for more then 200 yards once(214) 1244 passing yards 325 rushing yards w/ 2 TDs 10 passing TDs and 9 INTS 52.1% completion % 7 fumbles, 5 lost Sacked 25 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) And the answers are: Try and guess who this is E. MANNING drafted 1.1 1st 9 starts 3-6 as a starter only passed for over 200 yards once(201) 1314 Passing Yards 35 Rushing Yards and NO TDs 9 TDs to 11 Ints 48.9% completion % 3 Fumbles , 1 lost Sacked 15 Times here is another one: D. McNABB Drafted 1.2 1st 9 starts(another highly touted QB coming into the draft) 3-6 as a starter only passed for more then 200 yards once(214) 1244 passing yards 325 rushing yards w/ 2 TDs 10 passing TDs and 9 INTS 52.1% completion % 7 fumbles, 5 lost Sacked 25 times Now look at TJax for his first 9 starts T. JACKSON drafted 2.32(64th overall) 5-4 as a starter Tjax has thrown for over 200 only once(213) 1340 Passing Yards 199 Rushing Yards with 2 Rushing TDs 5 TDs to 10 Ints 55.2% completion % 5 Fumbles , 1 lost Sacked 19 Times I am not saying that TJax will end up like either Manning or McNabb but just simply pointing out that it is really a bit to early to jump to conclusions about the kid is all and fwiw Big John sent a PM and got Eli before i posted his name Edited November 27, 2007 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Well, Eli and McNabb both suck, am I supposed to feel better now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadman Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 What I do like about the kid - or the coach allowing the kid to be the kid finally - was his decision making and taking off and running a few times in the Giant game. I realize the value in teaching a young QB who can really run to stay in the pocket and make decisions, but there's no doubt the kid will need to run every so often to add that to the arsenal - at least until he becomes more comfortable (IF EVER) with his reads and reactions. He will also need to learn some touch and how to get some air under his passes on anything he doesn't have to throw on a line to fit it in. That is probably the biggest thing I see that will hinder him from becoming a decent QB, at the moment. Not sure that's something that can be learned, actually. Kind of instinctual, I would think. He looks better of late to me. But I think it's too early to know for sure. And this season is the perfect season to see what they have in him. Childress and Jackson are tied at the hip, and will either fail or succeed together, IMO. It's the biggest decision and commitment Childress made - and his Viking career will depend on the progress of the kid. Seems fair to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Well, Eli and McNabb both suck, am I supposed to feel better now? Eli sure doesnt have the body of work that McNabb has and to say McNabb sucks well you know thats just stinky bait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Well, he couldn't exactly get worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystykoekaki Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Well, Eli and McNabb both suck, am I supposed to feel better now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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