driveby Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 thanks for the laugh loyalboyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 no offense but this is one of the stupidest posts i have ever read by someone...you have issues with other things being legal etc then fine but to try and use that stance to deflect the heinous acts that vick was a part to is just plain ignorant +1000 And all I did was just try to deflect the idiocy of his comments by asking if he was a libertarian. (There are signs he could be and just doesn't know it) Somehow, I don't think the "no offense" will be taken to kindly though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrunt Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 OK, sure, in the wake of Michael Vick first becoming charged with his crimes, I too became disgusted at Vick's actions. He deserves prison time, and at first, I felt he should get no less than 5 years. My opinion is changing, however. Look, I realize the grotesque nature in which Michael Vick took part of in killing the dogs. But if everyone took a moment to reflect on the current and recent punishments Vick has incurred, including the loss of multi-million dollar contracts, his tarnished reputation, and his NFL career being in jeopardy, it's only reasonable to see to it that Vick may not need as much prison time to see that his actions were bad, horrible, in fact. EVERYONE makes mistakes, it's in our human nature to do so. And Vick is no exception. But there are much worse, evil acts of violence and crime that take place every day; and yet, many of these criminals are punished much less for their crimes than what Michael Vick did. After all, putting things in the most clear way I can, they were only dogs. I know... I know... it was horrible. And I believe Vick's punishment is fair. But it's not like he is a cold-blooded serial killer, out to get children, people, or anyone else for that matter. Michael Vick simply took part in something he now knows is the worst mistake of his life. And he's going to suffer from it. I think my main point here is that I won't mind in the least bit if Vick gets out in a year - 12 months. In retrospect, Martha Stewart, who committed a crime of economic proportions, she only spent five meager months in prison. Yet, what she did actually effected other people. So why should Vick, a person who's crime effected nobody but himself, be subject to a much worse punishment paralleled with a tarnished--possibly ruined--career? On the grand scale of things, Martha Stewart lost very little. Michael Vick has already lost everything he had. So why continue to take things even further against Vick? He's paying the time, he's already paid the price, what else can you ask for in a punishment? My hopes Vick gets out earlier than the original date of 24 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I disagree. At best it shows a blindness to his crimes. At worst it implies an endorsement of his crimes. +1 This is all about race. And that's extremely unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 The only thing that bugged me was the shots of the kids in the #7 spamshirts. What are thier parents telling the kids Vick did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 A nonsense argument. Of course it's "not much" compared to child abuse and murder, which explains why he got two years versus twenty or thirty, as would be the case for murder. He's "standing up like a man" in an effort to minimize punishment, not for any reasons of regret other than for his own financial losses. He's still a subhuman and always will be. Why do you hate none whites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 OK, sure, in the wake of Michael Vick first becoming charged with his crimes, I too became disgusted at Vick's actions. He deserves prison time, and at first, I felt he should get no less than 5 years. My opinion is changing, however. Look, I realize the grotesque nature in which Michael Vick took part of in killing the dogs. But if everyone took a moment to reflect on the current and recent punishments Vick has incurred, including the loss of multi-million dollar contracts, his tarnished reputation, and his NFL career being in jeopardy, it's only reasonable to see to it that Vick may not need as much prison time to see that his actions were bad, horrible, in fact. EVERYONE makes mistakes, it's in our human nature to do so. And Vick is no exception. But there are much worse, evil acts of violence and crime that take place every day; and yet, many of these criminals are punished much less for their crimes than what Michael Vick did. After all, putting things in the most clear way I can, they were only dogs. I know... I know... it was horrible. And I believe Vick's punishment is fair. But it's not like he is a cold-blooded serial killer, out to get children, people, or anyone else for that matter. Michael Vick simply took part in something he now knows is the worst mistake of his life. And he's going to suffer from it. I think my main point here is that I won't mind in the least bit if Vick gets out in a year - 12 months. In retrospect, Martha Stewart, who committed a crime of economic proportions, she only spent five meager months in prison. Yet, what she did actually effected other people. So why should Vick, a person who's crime effected nobody but himself, be subject to a much worse punishment paralleled with a tarnished--possibly ruined--career? On the grand scale of things, Martha Stewart lost very little. Michael Vick has already lost everything he had. So why continue to take things even further against Vick? He's paying the time, he's already paid the price, what else can you ask for in a punishment? My hopes Vick gets out earlier than the original date of 24 months. How many more times are people going to trot out this f'n rubbish about Vick "not being a serial killer"? WE KNOW - THAT'S WHY HE'S DOING TWO YEARS INSTEAD OF TWO HUNDRED. Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 +1 This is all about race. And that's extremely unfortunate. How is it about race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fballfreak Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 OK, sure, in the wake of Michael Vick first becoming charged with his crimes, I too became disgusted at Vick's actions. He deserves prison time, and at first, I felt he should get no less than 5 years. My opinion is changing, however. Look, I realize the grotesque nature in which Michael Vick took part of in killing the dogs. But if everyone took a moment to reflect on the current and recent punishments Vick has incurred, including the loss of multi-million dollar contracts, his tarnished reputation, and his NFL career being in jeopardy, it's only reasonable to see to it that Vick may not need as much prison time to see that his actions were bad, horrible, in fact. EVERYONE makes mistakes, it's in our human nature to do so. And Vick is no exception. But there are much worse, evil acts of violence and crime that take place every day; and yet, many of these criminals are punished much less for their crimes than what Michael Vick did. After all, putting things in the most clear way I can, they were only dogs. I know... I know... it was horrible. And I believe Vick's punishment is fair. But it's not like he is a cold-blooded serial killer, out to get children, people, or anyone else for that matter. Michael Vick simply took part in something he now knows is the worst mistake of his life. And he's going to suffer from it. I think my main point here is that I won't mind in the least bit if Vick gets out in a year - 12 months. In retrospect, Martha Stewart, who committed a crime of economic proportions, she only spent five meager months in prison. Yet, what she did actually effected other people. So why should Vick, a person who's crime effected nobody but himself, be subject to a much worse punishment paralleled with a tarnished--possibly ruined--career? On the grand scale of things, Martha Stewart lost very little. Michael Vick has already lost everything he had. So why continue to take things even further against Vick? He's paying the time, he's already paid the price, what else can you ask for in a punishment? My hopes Vick gets out earlier than the original date of 24 months. The reason he got the 23mth sentence was he failed to tell the Feds about other dog fighting operations he knew of which was part of a plea bargain to reduce his sentence. That along with the blatant lie in front of the Judge during the pretrial hearing. He will serve 18 of the 23mth sentence of course that's based on good behavior which he may find difficult in prison based on his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Everything has become entertainment and profit driven. In the past the news divisions for the networks operated at a loss because these companies viewed news as beneficial to the communities they served. Now almost everything is profit driven and there will always be things done better when money is not the primary goal. News and health care are two of those, but there are others(fire/police/libraries). Agree with most of this, but not ALL things are done better where money is not the primary goal. I disagree about health care. If there is no monetary goal, what is the drive for doctors and researchers to be the best doctors they can be, or to find new cures. Same can be said for schools. If our public schools had to compete for the money, my guess is that our school systems would raise their qualtiy. Look at where our collegiate level is in the world compared to where our elementary, middle, and high schools are. Which of these compete for enrollment and ultimately money? Just a more capitalistic view... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 How is it about race? Bill (I believe) is referring to the automatic support shown to this POS by other blacks, especially the verminous Sharpton et al. Their support is everything to do with black people being told every time some black celebrity drops himself in the $hit that it's all a whitey plot. The idiots among them believe it and were on display Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCharger Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Most Falcons fans are idiots. As a resident of Atlanta I agree. Thank goodness that most people in Atlanta AREN'T Falcon fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Seriously, what do you expect? We've got national leaders calling the President & his staff Nazis and sympathizing with terrorists dedicated to our destruction. Maybe he should try actually going after the terrorists that did it instead of trying to stop a holy war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCharger Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 The reason he got the 23mth sentence was he failed to tell the Feds about other dog fighting operations he knew of which was part of a plea bargain to reduce his sentence. That along with the blatant lie in front of the Judge during the pretrial hearing. He will serve 18 of the 23mth sentence of course that's based on good behavior which he may find difficult in prison based on his name. Don't forget the failed drug test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Bill (I believe) is referring to the automatic support shown to this POS by other blacks, especially the verminous Sharpton et al. Their support is everything to do with black people being told every time some black celebrity drops himself in the $hit that it's all a whitey plot. The idiots among them believe it and were on display Monday Ok,thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 OK, sure, in the wake of Michael Vick first becoming charged with his crimes, I too became disgusted at Vick's actions. He deserves prison time, and at first, I felt he should get no less than 5 years. My opinion is changing, however. Look, I realize the grotesque nature in which Michael Vick took part of in killing the dogs. But if everyone took a moment to reflect on the current and recent punishments Vick has incurred, including the loss of multi-million dollar contracts, his tarnished reputation,this is not a PUNISHMENT this is CAUSE & EFFECT and his NFL career being in jeopardy, it's only reasonable to see to it that Vick may not need as much prison time to see that his actions were bad, horrible, in fact. EVERYONE makes mistakes, it's in our human nature to do so. And Vick is no exception. The legal system should not have to take into account how much people are willing to lose if they get caught doing something against the law. As with anything there is always RISK/REWARD, Vick was taking part of something that opened him up to a TON OF RISK. But there are much worse, evil acts of violence and crime that take place every day; and yet, many of these criminals are punished much less for their crimes than what Michael Vick did. After all, putting things in the most clear way I can, they were only dogs. I know... I know... it was horrible. And I believe Vick's punishment is fair. But it's not like he is a cold-blooded serial killer, out to get children, people, or anyone else for that matter. Michael Vick simply took part in something he now knows is the worst mistake of his life. And he's going to suffer from it. I think my main point here is that I won't mind in the least bit if Vick gets out in a year - 12 months. In retrospect, Martha Stewart, who committed a crime of economic proportions, she only spent five meager months in prison. Yet, what she did actually effected other people. So why should Vick, a person who's crime effected nobody but himself, be subject to a much worse punishment paralleled with a tarnished--possibly ruined--career? On the grand scale of things, Martha Stewart lost very little. Michael Vick has already lost everything he had. So why continue to take things even further against Vick? He's paying the time, he's already paid the price, what else can you ask for in a punishment? My hopes Vick gets out earlier than the original date of 24 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 the Vickness of this thread makes all of our IQ's lower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 I just can't hold it no more. Ok. He did what he did. But we do animal testing every day. I never said animal testing wasn't wrong, but it is legal and some animal testing does help save human lives. Quite a big difference from savagely killing dogs for pleasure. The tobacco company sells tobacco and kills people every day by doing this. Giving them cancer to suffer with and all that extra. Beer and alcohol company same way kills people in the long run. Make people have accidents. And both are somewhat addicting. YET its still sold everyday in stores. Last time I checked people have a choice to smoke & drink. Again, big difference between that and raising a dog in a pen to be a killer. On a side note. They won't allow Josh Gordon to be sold for those somewhat same reasons. When I for one have never heard of someone going out and having accident or Josh Gordon being the lead killer of whatever category. Its just another way the goverment can say you can't do this or that. Man, talk about going off on a tangent. What does legalizing Josh Gordon have to do with ANYTHING in this thread? Killing dogs bad yes. Killing dogs for science good? They electrocuted, body slammed & drown the dogs that didn't "perform" up to their standards. They put the dogs in pens & made them fight to the death while they sat around cheering & betting on the winners. How can you possibly equate that to animal testing for scientific purposes. Again, not saying it's right...but it's extremely far from being the same. Eating dogs bad in the USA. Eating dogs in another country good to them. Last time I checked we don't make the laws in other countries. But the sad part is that Vick did what he did and its wrong by US law. But in the end you can kill a duck, bird, or any other animal. Whats the difference its man best friend. FWIW, while I used to hunt but I am against hunting for sport. Regardless, it's still quite different to the way these dogs were brutally treated. I would feel that way no matter what kind of animal it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 Ok maybe its the gambling he did. So u tell me you never in your life gambled? Oh maybe it was by US standards legal going to a casino. Truth is that in the long run everyone gambled one form or fashion and it wasn't legal. Maybe a side bet on a game or card game. The government does as it wishes and allows what they think is right. But if you think about it real hard. No, it's pretty much the grotesque & inhumane treatment of animals I have a problem with. I couldn't care less if he gambled, it was what he was gambling on that I have issue with. Tobacco and alcohol should be banned period. But it makes too much money to band no matter who it hurts or kills. And if thats the case so should be Josh Gordon. But we don't want too many brown people get rich. Because the best Josh Gordon comes from the brown countries. What the .... I've been told the best Josh Gordon comes from Northern California... The sadest part about this whole ordel is that President Clinton got impeached almost for a liposuction grandes de la cafe'. President Bush going around doing what in the hell he wants when he wants and not one impeachment being raised. We are going to be in so much debt that the next president isn't going to be able to fix it in one term maybe not even in two. But our priorities are to say that what Mike Vick did was so wrong he should get more time or hes so wrong he should just be pretty much bannished from mankind. When its other things 500 times worst. A blindness to crimes is the tobacco, alcohol and our president doing to our future. Not something that is done under federal guidlines everyday anyway to dogs by having them tested on different drugs and accessories. Yeah he over stepped his bounds and did something he shouldn't have morally. But in reality if you compare what he did to a bigger picture this is a JOKE!!! This is a football forum, we are talking about a football player & what he did. If you want to discuss politics or other crimes then go to the Tailgate. If you think this is a "priority" for me they you are very sadly mistaken and I don't think I remember anybody here saying that he should be "banished from mankind" or that he should get a harsher sentence. Personally I think the punishment has fit the crime. Again, I have no issue with the punishment. I just find it surprising the level & type of "support" Vick is getting and I find it appalling that so many are suggesting that he should be set free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 The Patriots are UNDEFEATED people !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Wow ... either loyalboyd is a master fisherman or a total idiot. What Vick did was wrong and illegal. Trying to compare his behavior to other legal activities is ludicrous. Scientific testing on animals may or may not be wrong ... but it is not illegal. Furthermore, there is a positive goal when testing is performed on animals. Hunting for food or sport may or may not be wrong ... but it is not illegal. I can't condone hunting for sport for it is senseless killing ... but there is absolutely nothing wrong with hunting for food. Bottom line - Vick was a very high profile person and chose to break the law. He compounded this by lying and failing to give his full cooperation to the authorities. Like many in his position he considered himself to be above the law. He was begging for the legal system to make an example of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 (edited) OK, sure, in the wake of Michael Vick first becoming charged with his crimes, I too became disgusted at Vick's actions. He deserves prison time, and at first, I felt he should get no less than 5 years. My opinion is changing, however. Look, I realize the grotesque nature in which Michael Vick took part of in killing the dogs. But if everyone took a moment to reflect on the current and recent punishments Vick has incurred, including the loss of multi-million dollar contracts, his tarnished reputation, and his NFL career being in jeopardy, it's only reasonable to see to it that Vick may not need as much prison time to see that his actions were bad, horrible, in fact. EVERYONE makes mistakes, it's in our human nature to do so. And Vick is no exception. All the more reason for him NOT to be involved in it IMO. It was his choice and he should have disassociated himself from it. What people lose in the wake of criminal activity is relative to each person. Would you lose anything more or less important to you if you were to go to prison? In all likelihood Vick probably has a much better chance at a normal life and in fact a life of relative luxury than the vast majority of other rehabilitated criminals. So why should he be punished less for a similar crime just because he stands to lose more money than you? But there are much worse, evil acts of violence and crime that take place every day; and yet, many of these criminals are punished much less for their crimes than what Michael Vick did. After all, putting things in the most clear way I can, they were only dogs. I know... I know... it was horrible. And I believe Vick's punishment is fair. But it's not like he is a cold-blooded serial killer, out to get children, people, or anyone else for that matter. Michael Vick simply took part in something he now knows is the worst mistake of his life. And he's going to suffer from it. I think my main point here is that I won't mind in the least bit if Vick gets out in a year - 12 months. Howso? What worse crimes are being punished much less? Two years IMO for what he did seems about right to me.In retrospect, Martha Stewart, who committed a crime of economic proportions, she only spent five meager months in prison. Yet, what she did actually effected other people. So why should Vick, a person who's crime effected nobody but himself, be subject to a much worse punishment paralleled with a tarnished--possibly ruined--career? On the grand scale of things, Martha Stewart lost very little. Michael Vick has already lost everything he had. So why continue to take things even further against Vick? He's paying the time, he's already paid the price, what else can you ask for in a punishment? My hopes Vick gets out earlier than the original date of 24 months. How can you say his crime affected nobody? Did you see how many fans were in the stands last night? How many fans are there that looked up to Vick as a role model only to have him throw it all back in their face for some stupid, brutal sport? How many corporations have thrown him millions of dollars to put the face of a cruel, thoughtless human being on their products? Tarnished his image...affecting nobody? What would you think if you had a 6 year old son who wants to know why the player he idolizes is in prison? What do you tell him when you say he can't wear his jersey anymore, how do you explain to him why Vick did the things he did and how do you explain how so many fans & players are calling for his freedom when he's done the things he's done? Edited December 11, 2007 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Vick obviously did something wrong and now is paying the price. If you think the price he is paying is too high, then become a Judge or a Legislator. But for some people to actively petition to Free Michael Vick? There are a Billion other more worthy causes in the world to hitch your trailer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 (edited) After watching that HBO special a few months ago about dogfighting it made me sick.They steal peoples dogs from their houses,injure them or tape their mouths for the pits to train on without getting hurt .I knew everthing else but that.If they had been one of mine,jail would be a gift compared to what I would have done to them. Edited December 11, 2007 by xtra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Bill (I believe) is referring to the automatic support shown to this POS by other blacks, especially the verminous Sharpton et al. Their support is everything to do with black people being told every time some black celebrity drops himself in the $hit that it's all a whitey plot. The idiots among them believe it and were on display Monday DING, DING, DING! We have a winner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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