rajncajn Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I know a lot of people were down on him at the beginning of the season & not surprisingly so given his relative draft position. But completely disagreed with those calling him a bust ala Michael Cayton. Now since the Saints offense has been clicking and Colston has been getting the looks, I'm wondering from a fan's standpoint if your minds have changed regarding his ability to be a #1 WR and where would you consider drafting him in the future? As a side note, I hope for your sakes I was able to talk you off the ledge earlier this season when you were thinking of cutting bait with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 (edited) I liked him but just thought his draft position was too high. He was the #1 on a good passing team, how could you not like that? I had him at the #15 WR. but he was gone in all my drafts there. Next I have him at 12 so far. Edited December 11, 2007 by Randall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I tried to trade FOR him when he was at his lowest point. Unfortunately, it was one of those owners who wouldn't make a trade no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 I have him at 9th among WRs in all my leagues & I would expect him to move up. In the NFL standings he is 10th in yds, tied with Welker for 8th in TDs & tied with Chad Johnson at 7th for receptions. Had it not been for the slow start of the offense he'd be hovering around the top 5 position many (I) thought he would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Unfortunately, it was one of those owners who wouldn't make a trade no matter what. Man... I HATE those guys. Open your MIND! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenthug Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Man... I HATE those guys. Open your MIND! We've got one of those in our league. He always thinks people are trying to rip him off. I think it's the less knowledgable managers that lock up on trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBizzie Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I was able to get him for Benson after the first month of the season.....had to live with the 30 and 40 yd games for a few weeks but he's been money since. Don't see any reason he should falter next season (3rd yr.), will only be getting more experience from here on out. Only question is will defenses start to key on him more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Man... I HATE those guys. Open your MIND! We've got one of those in our league. He always thinks people are trying to rip him off. I think it's the less knowledgable managers that lock up on trades. So a guy believed in Colston and that he would come around, and wouldn't part with him for what you wre trying to deal (and which in all probability would make your team look really good right now), and there's something wrong with him? You people kill me. I get offers like this all the time. Any FF owner worth his salt knows better than to sell low. Buy Low Sell High is not that effective of a strategy when dealing with quality owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Top 5. Like him a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 So a guy believed in Colston and that he would come around, and wouldn't part with him for what you wre trying to deal (and which in all probability would make your team look really good right now), and there's something wrong with him? You people kill me. I get offers like this all the time. Any FF owner worth his salt knows better than to sell low. Buy Low Sell High is not that effective of a strategy when dealing with quality owners. No kidding. I got a lot of low ball offers for Andre Johnson too but wanted to keep him for the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I kept him from last year and had to leave him on my bench for awhile while everyone in my league was saying that he was going to be a bust this year. Now, he's permanently locked in my starting lineup with Adrian Peterson! He's a keeper for next year and is more of a sure thing at this point than even S. Smith. I would've never said that 10 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROYALWITCHEESE Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I think he is a top end WR2 in terms of fantasy. Somewhere between 13 and 20. I admit I was down on him at the beginning of the year, but the Saints turned it around. I still don't see him as an NFL team's #1 wide-out though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 You know I love him. In my rankings, he was 2nd or 3rd (had T.O. first, then can't remember if Wayne or Colston was next). To me, he probably wasn't going to end up the #1 WR (just too young still), but I made the argument that, going into the season, Colston had the fewest question marks of all the top 15 or 20 receivers. That's why I have the dude on almost all my teams. Admittedly, I had my doubts after the first couple of weeks, but I never considered trading him. And, boy, am I happy with the timing of his hot streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Itals Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 (edited) In a three man keeper league (lose highest draft choice for each player kept), I just couldn't pull the trigger on a deal for Laurence Maroney and a 9th round draft choice for him. Edited December 12, 2007 by General Itals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 He seems to be getting bigger and stronger. I have him in my keeper league and at this point must consider keeping him instead of Steve Smith next season depending on what happens during the off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Best part: In Outraged, I get to keep him for a 9th-round pick. In GMX, his salary is $382 (out of a $30,000 cap) -- most of the top-tier WRs in that league cost $1500 or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogohawk Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I need him and Ocho Cinco to come up big this week for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Wow. A lot of love for a guy who did very little in the first half of the season. I don't suppose all you Colston owners have noticed that he only became a significant player after NO surrendered using Bush as a featured RB, and consequently surrended completely on any legitimate attempt to run the football. If you expect NO to become a throw-it-all-over-the-yard type of team next year and only use the running game as an attempt to keep Safeties somewhere near the LoS and LBs out of deep drops, then Colston is a guy you'll want to go after early. If you think like me that NO will try to re-establish a solid running game next year, whether using McAllister as a pounding RB to avail themselves of Bush outside the tackles where he is effective, or drafting a RB to fill the pounder role, Colston is a guy you'll let other owners draft in the 3rd round because you believe he'll revert to the type of WR he was in weeks 1-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 (edited) Wow. A lot of love for a guy who did very little in the first half of the season. I don't suppose all you Colston owners have noticed that he only became a significant player after NO surrendered using Bush as a featured RB, and consequently surrended completely on any legitimate attempt to run the football. If you expect NO to become a throw-it-all-over-the-yard type of team next year and only use the running game as an attempt to keep Safeties somewhere near the LoS and LBs out of deep drops, then Colston is a guy you'll want to go after early. If you think like me that NO will try to re-establish a solid running game next year, whether using McAllister as a pounding RB to avail themselves of Bush outside the tackles where he is effective, or drafting a RB to fill the pounder role, Colston is a guy you'll let other owners draft in the 3rd round because you believe he'll revert to the type of WR he was in weeks 1-7. With the exception of week 13, Colston has been money since week 8. Last 6 weeks he is 3rd in all of my leagues behind Owens & Moss. You want me to start another Bush thread so you'll have somewhere to troll? Edited December 12, 2007 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 With the exception of week 13, Colston has been money since week 8. You want me to start another Bush thread so you'll have somewhere to troll? What trolling? Can't you stand anyone to have an opinion on NO unless the poster says they are the greatest team in the NFL? I think NO is going to go back to emphasizing the run next year, in part because the drop off from a solid running team last year (not great, but solid) to a bottom 5 running team this year coincides with their lack of success this year record-wise, and in part because running the ball effectively between the tackles allows them to use Bush where he is effective - on the edge of the offense rather than between the tackles. Unless you think NO is going to de-emphasize Bush next year, I don't see how someone could think otherwise. So having a pounding RB run between the tackles and getting Bush the ball on the edge leaves much less emphasis for Colston & the passing game. I don't suppose that you've noticed that Brees' numbers have jumped a ton from weeks 1-7 to week 8 & beyond this year, did you? NO simply gave up on trying to run the ball from week 8 onward. It's reasonable & rational to think that when NO gets a RB in the backfield - either McAllister, a FA, or a draft pick - who can run between the tackles that they'll go back to trying to bnalance the O between the run & the pass, as well as trying to get the ball to Bush where he can maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. Why would you consider that "trolling"? Damn, get a f'n clue and stop worrying that someone might be trying hurt your feelings when they are trying to put forth some analysis on NO. :shakinghead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 What trolling? Can't you stand anyone to have an opinion on NO unless the poster says they are the greatest team in the NFL? I think NO is going to go back to emphasizing the run next year, in part because the drop off from a solid running team last year (not great, but solid) to a bottom 5 running team this year coincides with their lack of success this year record-wise, and in part because running the ball effectively between the tackles allows them to use Bush where he is effective - on the edge of the offense rather than between the tackles. Unless you think NO is going to de-emphasize Bush next year, I don't see how someone could think otherwise. So having a pounding RB run between the tackles and getting Bush the ball on the edge leaves much less emphasis for Colston & the passing game. I don't suppose that you've noticed that Brees' numbers have jumped a ton from weeks 1-7 to week 8 & beyond this year, did you? NO simply gave up on trying to run the ball from week 8 onward. It's reasonable & rational to think that when NO gets a RB in the backfield - either McAllister, a FA, or a draft pick - who can run between the tackles that they'll go back to trying to bnalance the O between the run & the pass, as well as trying to get the ball to Bush where he can maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. Why would you consider that "trolling"? Damn, get a f'n clue and stop worrying that someone might be trying hurt your feelings when they are trying to put forth some analysis on NO. :shakinghead: Maybe it's because everything here that gets posted about the Saints you inevitably show up to dog them. I guess all last year the Saints didn't have a running attack. Is that why Colston did so well? I'm not sure, you're the expert with all the valid opinions...you tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Keep in mind this is still only his Second season as a Pro. I think he will only get better. I'd rank him pretty close to being in the top 10... but for sure in the top 15 WRs for next year. If the Saints get back on track next year he could easily become a top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 (edited) Maybe it's because everything here that gets posted about the Saints you inevitably show up to dog them. I guess if I cared enough about NO that might be a possibility... So is anyone allowed to critique or criticize your team, or do all posts have to be glowing drooling slobbering over their knobs for you not to get your panties in a wad? I guess all last year the Saints didn't have a running attack. Is that why Colston did so well? I'm not sure, you're the expert with all the valid opinions...you tell me. Colston went from the #2 WR last year to the clear #1 option in the passing game this year. That changed the way other teams dealt with him in the D scheming. I pointed that out before this season even started that it might affect Colston's performance this year, and it certainly did when NO had a legit running game. Damn! Do you even watch the team that you profess so much love for? Edited December 12, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 (edited) Eventually Peyton will figure out how to best utilize Bush. McAllister or some other RB will take the role as primary back. And the whole offense will function better. I don't see how that will be a bad thing for Colston going forward. Edited December 12, 2007 by rattsass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 (edited) Colston went from the #2 WR last year to the clear #1 option in the passing game this year. That changed the way other teams dealt with him in the D scheming. I pointed that out before this season even started that it might affect Colston's performance this year, and it certainly did when NO had a legit running game. Damn! Do you even watch the team that you profess so much love for? Like I said earlier this year I believe Colston's lack of production was more a product of poor offensive line play & Brees' inconsistency that resulted from that. If you take a look at the first few games you will see that we did not have a legit running game because our O-line played so horribly. BTW, I went back & looked at all the game books for this season. With the exceptions of week 10 & 11 we actually increased in run to pass ratio starting week 5. Week 10 was when we got down by 24 against St Louis. We scored one touchdown in the 1st quarter & didn't score again until the 4th. Week 11 is the only week where your theory holds any water at all where we had 19 rushing attempts to 49 passing in another losing effort. Edit: I take that back, week 9 we had our 4th highest pass to run ratio with 25 to 49 attempts. Highest to lowest by respective week... 11, 3, 10, 9, 5, 2, 1, 7, 8, 14, 6, 13 & 12. I don't see the abandonment you mentioned around week 8...maybe someone can point that out for me. Edited December 12, 2007 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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