keggerz Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) Ok check your Homer Glasses at the door and lets see if we can put together a list of players that on the merits of their play and stats deserved to make the Pro Bowl....just because a player is having a good/great season does not mean that they got snubbed if the guys that got voted in are all having a better year. If you feel a player got snubbed say why and support it. Remember check your HOMER GLASSES at the door! First Snub in my book is COLSTON Colston LEADS the NFC in receptions with 87(Driver is 5th) Is 3rd in yards after TO & Fitz, Driver is 5th Is 4th in TDs with 9(1 more then Fitz and only Plax has more of players that didnt make the Pro Bowl, Driver is tied for 32nd) Is 2nd in the NFC with a 58% 1st down catch rate(TO is #1, driver is 6th at 47%) Edited December 19, 2007 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 First Snub in my book is COLSTON Yeah, he was snubbed. Driver got in on popularity. I think that's pretty obvious. Colston isn't as big a name yet, and they had the rough start. Popularity matters. Right or wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big F'n Dave Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Homer or no, Colston and Brees BOTH got the shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I cannot believe only 7 Vikings made the Pro-Bowl this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Yeah, he was snubbed. Driver got in on popularity. I think that's pretty obvious. Colston isn't as big a name yet, and they had the rough start. Popularity matters. well duh. Pro Bowl is a joke. I just can't believe Alstott didn't make it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big F'n Dave Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I cannot believe only 7 Vikings made the Pro-Bowl this year... Yet, they're somehow still gonna miss the play-offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I agree with Colston but another WR that should have got in before Driver is Bobby Engram. He never gets the credit or the pub that he deserves but he is the "glue" to making the Seahawk offense go. When the Hawks need a first down or a big play Hasselbeck looks to Bobby to make things happen. He has been a steady, reliable player over the years but continues to fly under the radar. I think if you were to ask Holmgren who the most valuable player on his team was, he would probably say .... Bobby Engram. To date .... 85 - 1,013 - 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Homer or no, Colston and Brees BOTH got the shaft. Brees didn't deserve to go. He had some very poor games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 well duh I was merely defending Driver based on the statistical observations of one Mr. keggerz. He was using Driver as a baseline for stats, when clearly popularity got him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I know you could call me a homer here but Greg Jennings should be in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I know you could call me a homer here but Greg Jennings should be in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 I was merely defending Driver based on the statistical observations of one Mr. keggerz. He was using Driver as a baseline for stats, when clearly popularity got him in. I used Driver because imo, he was the one that didnt belong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Seriously though, Jennings deserved it far more than Driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCharger Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I agree with Colston. My pick however is Mario Williams. He is #1 in AFC in sacks with 13. He is #4 in the AFC among DEs in tackles with 53. (Only selected DE above him is Jared Allen at #3 with 58) He also has 2 FF, 1 FR and 1 TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Interesting stat about Mr. Snub. Fred Taylor is #18 all time rushing and has never made the Pro Bowl. He is the only player ranked in the top 43 all time rushers never to go to the Pro Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFreak Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) Homer or no, Colston and Brees BOTH got the shaft. I disagree. Brees and Colston both did squat in the first 5 weeks of the season. That has to count for something. The guy who got screwed is Mario Williams. I didn't even realize the guy already has 13 sacks! Edited December 19, 2007 by FishFreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 Homer or no, Colston and Brees BOTH got the shaft. Hass and Brees are both very close statistically Hass: 3620yards 62.5% Comp % 25 TDs 10 INTS 92.0 QB Rating Brees: 3819 68.7% Comp % 25 TDs 15 INTS 92.1 QB Rating Those 2 guys are VERY close but Hass did lead his team to a division title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I agree with Colston. My pick however is Mario Williams. He is #1 in AFC in sacks with 13. He is #4 in the AFC among DEs in tackles with 53. (Only selected DE above him is Jared Allen at #3 with 58) He also has 2 FF, 1 FR and 1 TD. Thats my pick as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) I know you could call me a homer here but Greg Jennings should be in there... he has 12 TDs but then only has 50 catches for 838 yards....he is tied for 13th in catches for a 1st down(Curtis, Berrian, McDonald, White are some of the players with more catches for 1st downs) not saying he shouldnt be considered but not sure he is a slam dunk also for those that think Jennings should go probably should look at his numbers compared to Plax Plax 65 catches, 935 yards and 10 TDs 15 more catches 3 yards shy of 100 more recv yards 2 less TDs Plax has 44 catches for 1st downs while Jennings has 35 Fumbles 0 for Plax, 1 for Jennings Edited December 19, 2007 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I used Driver because imo, he was the one that didnt belong I know, that's why I brought up how much popularity plays into it. I'm talking in circles now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 I agree with Colston. My pick however is Mario Williams. He is #1 in AFC in sacks with 13. He is #4 in the AFC among DEs in tackles with 53. (Only selected DE above him is Jared Allen at #3 with 58) He also has 2 FF, 1 FR and 1 TD. there was a thread i think last week where Budlitebrad and i were talking about DEs and i said i thought mario would have a hard time making the Pro Bowl over Jason Taylor http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=2331521 http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=2331579 I also think Mario got snubbed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 I agree with Colston but another WR that should have got in before Driver is Bobby Engram. He never gets the credit or the pub that he deserves but he is the "glue" to making the Seahawk offense go. When the Hawks need a first down or a big play Hasselbeck looks to Bobby to make things happen. He has been a steady, reliable player over the years but continues to fly under the radar. I think if you were to ask Holmgren who the most valuable player on his team was, he would probably say .... Bobby Engram. To date .... 85 - 1,013 - 5 I think engram is having a really nice/great season but i dont think he deserves a pro bowl nod over colston Engram is 2nd in catches 6th in Yards(driver is #5) Tied for 12th in TDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I think engram is having a really nice/great season but i dont think he deserves a pro bowl nod over colston Engram is 2nd in catches 6th in Yards(driver is #5) Tied for 12th in TDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCharger Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) he has 12 TDs but then only has 50 catches for 838 yards....he is tied for 13th in catches for a 1st down(Curtis, Berrian, McDonald, White are some of the players with more catches for 1st downs) not saying he shouldnt be considered but not sure he is a slam dunk It can be argued that Gennings deserved it more then Driver but I'm not sure either deserved a spot over these four. -------------------------Rec--------Yds--------TD Terrell Owens------76(7)------1307(1)---14(1) Larry Fitzgerald----83(T3)-----1166(2)----8(5) Torry Holt-----------83(T3)-----1055(4)---7(T6) Marques Colston--87(1)-------1092(3)---9(4) Donald Driver------78(6)-------1016(5)----2(Last basically) Greg Jennings-----50(T20)----878(12)---12(2) Driver ranks nicely with receptions and yards but his TDs are horrible while Jennings is the polar opposite. Put them both together and you'd have a ProBowler. Seperately they neither deserve a spot. Edited December 19, 2007 by SuperCharger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 It can be argued that Gennings deserved it more then Driver but I'm not sure either deserved a spot over these four. Rec Yds TD Terrell Owens 76(7) 1307(1) 14(1) Larry Fitzgerald 83(T3) 1166(2) 8(5) Torry Holt 83(T3) 1055(4) 7(T6) Marques Colston 87(1) 1092(3) 9(4) Donald Driver 78(6) 1016(5) 2(Last basically) Greg Jennings 50(T20) 878(12) 12(2) Driver ranks nicely with receptions and yards but his TDs are horrible while Jennings is the polar opposite. Put them both together and you'd have a ProBowler. Seperately they neither deserve a spot. someone kill me now, i agree with SC about something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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