dmarc117 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 mcnabb or d.anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 neither...I'd be cool with orton as they rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 You can have Craig Nall if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 neither...I'd be cool with orton as they rebuild the guy isnt the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 the guy isnt the worst. But he's also done nothing to suggest that he's an NFL starter material. Angelo needs to either sign/trade for a veteran or draft another QB in April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 i dont think you will see McNabb or Anderson in new unis next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 But he's also done nothing to suggest that he's an NFL starter material. Angelo needs to either sign/trade for a veteran or draft another QB in April. Boy, you sure make stupid blanket statements sometimes. He's won 16 games in his career, and most of them were with strong defensive efforts. Today was not one of those. Albeit against a bad Saints team, he did "something" to suggest he's an NFL starter. He's got a strong arm, has pocket presence, doesn't panic, goes through his reads, and is a team player. To say he's "done nothing" is just ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 There's gotta be an old Orton thread around here we can bump... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) Boy, you sure make stupid blanket statements sometimes. He's won 16 games in his career, and most of them were with strong defensive efforts. Today was not one of those. Albeit against a bad Saints team, he did "something" to suggest he's an NFL starter. He's got a strong arm, has pocket presence, doesn't panic, goes through his reads, and is a team player. To say he's "done nothing" is just ignorant. So, a good game or two against a bad defense and a bunch of others where he didn't make plays and relied heavily on his defense for the win is strong evidence that Orton is NFL starter material? What was that you were saying about stupid statements? I'm not saying that Orton sucks or that he's never going to be an NFL starter. There just isn't enough EVIDENCE at this point that he's going to be their guy from here on out. It would take another full season as a starter for the Bears to know if he's capable of being that guy. Perhaps I should've qualified my previous post with "through no fault of his own" since most of his playing time was in his rookie year, but my statement is still accurate. If I were Angelo, I would look for a veteran alternative, rather than gamble on Orton putting up a Derek Anderson-like season in '08. The two can battle for the job in training camp. Edited December 31, 2007 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 neither...I'd be cool with orton as they rebuild I would have to agree with this comment. Then again I am a Packer fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 So, one good game against a bad defense and a bunch of others where he didn't make plays and relied heavily on his defense for the win is strong evidence that Orton is NFL starter material? What was that you were saying about stupid blanket statements? I'm not saying that Orton sucks or that he's never going to be an NFL starter. There just isn't enough EVIDENCE at this point that he's going to be their guy from here on out. It would take another full season as a starter for the Bears to know if he's capable of being that guy. Is that not a fair statement? He outperformed Favre last week in the elements. He managed a great game today and he does have specific tools that can make him an NFL starter, especially in today's NFL. With your reasoning, Derek Anderson would be working construction because he never showed anything before this year. Your second statement is much more fair, and I'm saying that I'd rather not take McNabb or some other retread and let Orton take it while they rebuild....even if that means they get a rookie next year, I'm fine with that. You say he has shown nothing, and I'll say that he has 16 wins, and has some good tangibles and has shown a bit of what's necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I would have to agree with this comment. Then again I am a complete tool. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The Browns won't trade Anderson and even if they did, the Bears wouldn't give up as much as they would ask for. And I love McNabb but not sure if the value is there either. Plus, he has two, three more seasons tops. I'm fine with Orton as he has looked solid the past several weeks. He has shown some nice flashes and if they can correct the offensive line and running game and get healthy on defense, this team will be right back in the thick of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) He outperformed Favre last week in the elements. He managed a great game today and he does have specific tools that can make him an NFL starter, especially in today's NFL. With your reasoning, Derek Anderson would be working construction because he never showed anything before this year. Your second statement is much more fair, and I'm saying that I'd rather not take McNabb or some other retread and let Orton take it while they rebuild....even if that means they get a rookie next year, I'm fine with that. You say he has shown nothing, and I'll say that he has 16 wins, and has some good tangibles and has shown a bit of what's necessary. Good intangibles? Those pics on the internet sure show he is a dedictaed player. He may turn out to be a good player but I would bet evrything I own that Orton will never be a good QB in the NFL. I sure hope the Bears decide that Orton is the real deal. Why would they not? They have been dead on with the last 20 choices at QB. I would like to add that the spelling mistakes above are due 100% to drunkenness. Edited December 31, 2007 by gbpfan1231 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 The Browns won't trade Anderson and even if they did, the Bears wouldn't give up as much as they would ask for. And I love McNabb but not sure if the value is there either. Plus, he has two, three more seasons tops. I'm fine with Orton as he has looked solid the past several weeks. He has shown some nice flashes and if they can correct the offensive line and running game and get healthy on defense, this team will be right back in the thick of things. briggs for anderson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Good intangibles? Those pics on the internet sure show he is a dedictaed player. He may turn out to be a good player but I would bet evrything I own that Orton will never be a good QB in the NFL. I sure hope the Bears decide that Orton is the real deal. Why would they not? They have been dead on with the last 20 choices at QB. And the Bears are 6-2 against the Packers since Lovie has come. Denial, it's ok. I'll take a kid who likes Jack over some of the other idiots in the NFL ANY day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 briggs for anderson? Briggs is an unrestricted free agent. We can't trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) He outperformed Favre last week in the elements. He managed a great game today and he does have specific tools that can make him an NFL starter, especially in today's NFL. With your reasoning, Derek Anderson would be working construction because he never showed anything before this year. No, with my reasoning I simply wouldn't have handed Derek Anderson the keys to the offense by default. I would've made him earn it in training camp and I'd have a backup plan in place in case he didn't pan out. You say he has shown nothing... ... TO SUGGEST THAT HE'S NFL STARTING MATERIAL. Maybe he'll show that next year. Maybe not. I'm not saying that he sucks and that he should carry a clipboard for the rest of his career. He needs more snaps. and I'm saying that I'd rather not take McNabb or some other retread and let Orton take it while they rebuild....even if that means they get a rookie next year, I'm fine with that. I don't agree with that because I don't think that they're in rebuilding mode just yet. But fair enough. Drafting a QB in April and going into camp with him and Orton isn't a terrible plan. Edited December 31, 2007 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 Briggs is an unrestricted free agent. We can't trade him. sign and trade? what is anderson's status? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbie Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Good intangibles? Those pics on the internet sure show he is a dedictaed player. He may turn out to be a good player but I would bet evrything I own that Orton will never be a good QB in the NFL. I sure hope the Bears decide that Orton is the real deal. Why would they not? They have been dead on with the last 20 choices at QB. I would like to add that the spelling mistakes above are due 100% to drunkenness. Let's see if I understand the terms of this bet...you're putting up your ice fishing shack and your wife's flannel nightgown, right? Okay, I'll take that bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 i agree with gil that orton could be a filler til we find someone. but and orton, benson backfield disgusts me. boot benson now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 No, with my reasoning I simply wouldn't have handed Derek Anderson the keys to the offense by default. I'd make him earn it in training camp.... TO SUGGEST THAT HE'S NFL STARTING MATERIAL. Maybe he'll show that next year. Maybe not. I'm not saying that he sucks and that he should carry a clipboard for the rest of his career. He needs more snaps. I don't agree with that because I don't think that they're in rebuilding mode just yet. But fair enough. Drafting a QB in April and going into camp with him and Orton isn't a terrible plan. Bill, you would have to agree this year in the NFL showed that there are MANY quarterbacks that are not NFL starting material. Orton at least has had some experience winning and has looked a bit more than average in his short time this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Let's see if I understand the terms of this bet...you're putting up your ice fishing shack and your wife's flannel nightgown, right? Okay, I'll take that bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 If the Bears go into training camp with the same three quarterbacks as this year and some other guy as the 4th tosser, I will be very mad at the Bears organization. They need to draft someone or shake things up. I bet Orton will be the starter opening week but it will be an open competition in training camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 And the Bears are 6-2 against the Packers since Lovie has come. Denial, it's ok. I'll take a kid who likes Jack over some of the other idiots in the NFL ANY day of the week. Who really cares about the Lovie 6-2 record. Give me a sec I will find some stupid historical fact that says the Pack is better than the Bears. Stupid!! Fact is the Bears sucked this year and have a ton of rebuilding and they started that rebuilding off by winning the last two game which I am sure helped there draft position. Orton is not the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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