Is LSU a Dynasty?

[Rockerbraves]

Now I can't vouch for these numbers since the following was provided by a Florida Gator fan, but it might be worth discussing.

 

If FSU, Miami and Florida were designated as dynasties in the 1980s and 1990s, I think LSU qualifies today. Looking at the seven year stretch for each at their best:

 

LSU---------FSU (1993-2000)-----UF (1991-1998)----Miami (1986-1992)

 

12-2-----------11-2-------------------10-2-----------------11-1

11-2-----------12-0--------------------9-4-----------------12-0

11-2-----------11-2-------------------11-2-----------------11-1

9-3------------11-1-------------------10-2-1---------------11-1

13-1-----------10-2-------------------12-1-----------------10-2

8-5------------10-1-1-----------------12-1-----------------12-0

10-3-----------12-1-------------------10-2-----------------11-1

 

74-18..............77-9-1-----------------74-14-1--------------78-6

 

2 MNCs............2 MNCs.......................1 MNC......................2 MNCs

3 SECs.............7 ACCs.......................5 SECs.....................7 BE's

 

Considering the caliber of the competition in the SEC today, I think that easily neutralizes the W-L advantage of FSU and Miami. LSU belongs.

Edited January 11, 2008 by Rockerbraves

[SuperBalla]

It is a fair statement. We are the only team to win multiple BCS championships...4 years between though. Would one say its harder to win a Super Bowl or a division 1 National championship?

 

 

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Edited January 11, 2008 by SuperBalla

[Rockerbraves]

It is a fair statement. We are the only team to win multiple BCS championships...4 years between though. Would one say its harder to win a Super Bowl or a division 1 National championship?

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Not sure where you are from but down here in Baton Rouge I would say a National Championship.

 

Forgot to ask. What do you think this guy meant with MNC? Maybe I should change that to BCS NC before Coffeeman see's this post.

Edited January 11, 2008 by Rockerbraves

[wildcat2334]

question- why no comparison to the most recent, and still current dynasty- USC?

 

LSu a dynasty?

 

in a word? NO

 

very good team that happened to win the NC in 2008, but certianly not a dominant or memorable team.

Edited January 11, 2008 by wildcat2334

[BS Miscreant]

A dynasty generally implies dominance over an extended period of time, like winning 3+ championships consecutively. I don't think any of the aforementioned teams were/are dynasties. If you must, maybe Miami... *MNCs in 87, 89 and 91 (based on the AP, among others). Three in a 5 year span is pretty darn good and they were really good(like top 2-3) the years they didn't win it as well.

 

*MNC = Mythical National Championship?

Edited January 11, 2008 by BS Miscreant

[Rockerbraves]

question- why no comparison to the most recent, and still current dynasty- USC?

Not sure why he didn't include USC.

 

Good question. If LSU is then certainly we would have to be consider the Trojans.

[darin3]

Not sure where you are from but down here in Baton Rouge I would say a National Championship.

Um, Balla lives in BR.

 

See..

Edited January 11, 2008 by darin3

[Coffeeman]

Hard to argue with USC & LSU's (and even OSU's) success over the last 6 years. If OSU could win more often when they get to the big game, they'd be closer to the other two. Two straight in football and b-ball gives the SEC (esp. FLA) a nice run overall in the 2 biggest NCAA sports.

 

But these things go in cycles - whose turn will it be next?

[Sgt. Ryan]

LMMFAO, LSU split a NC, that they clearly were not the best team in 2003. This yr this team lost 2 games, and backed into the title game, when many thought they didnt deserve to be there.

 

LSU has yet to win a undisputed NC like OU in 2000, SC in 2004, or Texas in 2005.

 

The best LSU team ever was probably last yr and they didnt even win the conference. Didnt even make the conference championship game.

 

 

If we had a playoff, LSU wouldnt have a single title this decade or the last 4 for that matter. LSU is a media darling for some reason, and that is as much credit as they deserve.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited January 12, 2008 by Sgt. Ryan

[theprofessor]

 

 

If any team deserves to have the word DYNASTY placed in the same sentence as their name it is certainly NOT the Tigers.

 

We all know what team has DESERVED that Title, don't we boys!!

 

 

[untateve]

Florida was not anywhere near a dynasty in the 90s. Florida won 1 NC in the 90s. Perhaps we were an SEC dynasty, but that would be the extent of it.

 

I think to be a dynasty, a team would need to win 2 NCs in a row and I would think at least 3 in a 5-6yr period. There can be no "down" year for the team in this time frame. Dynasty should not be something easily attained. I think if Ohio State had beat Florida and LSU, we'd be talking a dynasty.

[Rockerbraves]

If any team deserves to have the word DYNASTY placed in the same sentence as their name it is certainly NOT the Tigers.

 

We all know what team has DESERVED that Title, don't we boys!!

Not so fast Professor . Are you referring to your Pac 10 Trojans? Granted USC has been a great program but not necessarily any better than say LSU. At least in this decade (2000-2008).

 

A closer look reveals something you may or may not know.

 

USC's overall record is 82-21 while LSU's is 82-22. During that same time frame LSU has won 2 BCS titles compared to 1 for USC. LSU has won 6 bowl games compared to 5 by USC in that same time frame. Again considering the caliber of the competition in the SEC today, I think that easily neutralizes the one game in the loss column advantage of USC.

 

USC BCS NC record 1-1

 

LSU BCS NC record 2-0

 

Now Professor before you or Brian say LSU has had an easier bowl schedule than USC let's take a glance at both schools bowl history since 2000.

 

USC 5-2 bowl record includes wins against Michigan twice, Iowa, Illinois, Oklahoma.. (That's 4 wins against 1 conference the Big 10)

 

LSU 6-2 bowl record includes wins against Georgia Tech, Illinois, Oklahoma, Miami, Notre Dame, Ohio State .

 

Not taking anything away from the USC, but it certainly doesn't look like your Pac 10 TrOJans are anymore a dynasty than say LSU is in this time in history.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

Georgia Tech? Are you serious?

 

Illinois... the weakest Big Ten Champion in a very long time... 2001 was a disaster for the Big Ten

 

Oklahoma, at home

 

Miami... I guess this is impressive even though Miami had dropped like a rock, and were on the verge of disaster themselves

 

Notre Dame... LMAO

 

Ohio State... this is LSU's crowning win?

 

 

USC played good Big Ten teams, teams that either won the conference, or were very close to doing so like Michigan last year. Not to mention, destroyed an Oklahoma team that completely shut down Vince Young.

 

The best opponent during that timespan that LSU played, outside of the state of Louisiana, you don't even mention, were my Hawkeyes. Oh and what happened there?

[detlef]

I don't think there's really a question here. For starters, I don't think any team can claim dynasty but that has much to do with the enormously flawed manner in which the champion is crowned.

 

As long as we're speculating, I would have to say USC has been, far and away, the strongest team of the last 5 years. No need to compartmentalize by decades but that's arbitrary. If a team wins 4 straight championships from 98-01, that's certainly a dynasty despite the fact that hey won no more than 2 titles in each the 90s and 00s.

 

USC's case:

 

They've owned their conference and have only one loss outside it in the last 5 years. That loss was an outstanding game.

 

This is, of course, speculation, but one I'm sure is shared by plenty. If there was a play-off, USC would like have won at least another championship. One could argue they were the best team this year, last year, 30 seconds away from being the best the year before, certainly the best the year before, and quite possibly the best the year before that.

[theprofessor]

Not so fast Professor . Are you referring to your Pac 10 Trojans? Granted USC has been a great program but not necessarily any better than say LSU. At least in this decade (2000-2008).

 

A closer look reveals something you may or may not know.

 

USC's overall record is 82-21 while LSU's is 82-22. During that same time frame LSU has won 2 BCS titles compared to 1 for USC. LSU has won 6 bowl games compared to 5 by USC in that same time frame. Again considering the caliber of the competition in the SEC today, I think that easily neutralizes the one game in the loss column advantage of USC.

 

USC BCS NC record 1-1

 

LSU BCS NC record 2-0

 

Now Professor before you or Brian say LSU has had an easier bowl schedule than USC let's take a glance at both schools bowl history since 2000.

 

USC 5-2 bowl record includes wins against Michigan twice, Iowa, Illinois, Oklahoma.. (That's 4 wins against 1 conference the Big 10)

 

LSU 6-2 bowl record includes wins against Georgia Tech, Illinois, Oklahoma, Miami, Notre Dame, Ohio State .

 

Not taking anything away from the USC, but it certainly doesn't look like your Pac 10 TrOJans are anymore a dynasty than say LSU is in this time in history.

 

You can put your normal LSU "spin" on it if you'd like but anyone who watches and knows college football would tell you that USC has been the BEST college football team in this decade. Carry on.

[theprofessor]

I don't think there's really a question here. For starters, I don't think any team can claim dynasty but that has much to do with the enormously flawed manner in which the champion is crowned.

 

As long as we're speculating, I would have to say USC has been, far and away, the strongest team of the last 5 years. No need to compartmentalize by decades but that's arbitrary. If a team wins 4 straight championships from 98-01, that's certainly a dynasty despite the fact that hey won no more than 2 titles in each the 90s and 00s.

 

USC's case:

 

They've owned their conference and have only one loss outside it in the last 5 years. That loss was an outstanding game.

 

This is, of course, speculation, but one I'm sure is shared by plenty. If there was a play-off, USC would like have won at least another championship. One could argue they were the best team this year, last year, 30 seconds away from being the best the year before, certainly the best the year before, and quite possibly the best the year before that.

 

+1

[Rockerbraves]

Brian if you are going to mention home wins in bowls you will lose that argument. Look at USC bowls wins. You can have it both ways?

 

Beating Michigan twice at home, beating Illinois at home, beating Iowa at home. That's 4 out 5 wins at home.

 

Guess by your methods LSU would have beaten USC as well since the game was played in the state of Louisiana.

 

Might want to check your records when talking about the Miami team that LSU destroyed 40-3. The Hurricanes finished the regular season ranked in the top 10 and were 9-2 record. LSU piled up 468 yards, the most allowed by Miami that season. The Hurricanes (9-3) entered leading the nation in pass defense and ranked third in total defense. I would hardly call that dropping like a rock.

 

LSU beat Illinois when they were Big 10 champs while USC beat Illinois when they were gifted an invite to the BCS. And yes the Trojans did it at home. So whats your point again?

[theprofessor]

The best opponent during that timespan that LSU played, outside of the state of Louisiana, you don't even mention, were my Hawkeyes. Oh and what happened there?

 

Amen.

[Rockerbraves]

USC's case:

 

They've owned their conference and have only one loss outside it in the last 5 years. That loss was an outstanding game.

 

This is, of course, speculation, but one I'm sure is shared by plenty. If there was a play-off, USC would like have won at least another championship. One could argue they were the best team this year, last year, 30 seconds away from being the best the year before, certainly the best the year before, and quite possibly the best the year before that.

Own their conference! What does that tell you? One could easily speculate that LSU would have also breezed thru the Pac 10 based on LSU's recent 4-0 record vs. Pac 10 teams. And yes Brian two of those wins were road wins.

 

If you want to speculate on what if playoffs LSU was awarded ESPN's NC last season.

 

Please tell us who are all these great teams that USC has beaten outside their conference that LSU doesn't play year in and year out?

[Rockerbraves]

Amen.

Iowa>Utah

[theeohiostate]

LSU has yet to win a undisputed NC like OU in 2000, SC in 2004, or Texas in 2005.

 

 

or OSU in 2002

[loyalboyd]

All I can say is USC. Has a cup cake schedule year in and year out. They change conferences. They will start losing games and getting their head caved in. But even if they were offered to leave they wouldn't leave. For one reason and one reason only. They know thats a true statement I just made.

[Rockerbraves]

or OSU in 2002

Sorry many of us still question that call against Miami.

[theprofessor]

Own their conference! What does that tell you? One could easily speculate that LSU would have also breezed thru the Pac 10 based on LSU's recent 4-0 record vs. Pac 10 teams. And yes Brian two of those wins were road wins.

 

If you want to speculate on what if playoffs LSU was awarded ESPN's NC last season.

 

Please tell us who are all these great teams that USC has beaten outside their conference that LSU doesn't play year in and year out?

 

OK, I'll bite ....... USC blew Arkansas out in Arkansas backyard. The same Arkansas that ran over the mythical National Champs just a couple months ago. Next.

[Rockerbraves]

OK, I'll bite ....... USC blew Arkansas out in Arkansas backyard. The same Arkansas that ran over the mythical National Champs just a couple months ago. Next.

Bite again Professor. Arkansas didn't play USC.