bigbadwolf Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Read it here. Personally it sucks to see Holmgren go, but I'm happy with Mora. Hawks are becoming more of a defensive oriented team, so hopefully we can get back to the dance in the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Hopefully they can get back this year.As far as Mora I dont mind that choice at all,yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I was actually hoping he would get the other Seattle job down the street at U-Dub. Honestly, I wasn't really impressed with the job he did in Atlanta. I just think his strengths are recruiting, motivation, and teaching. To me his strengths are better suited for the college game. I'm only marginally agains this. Don't get me wrong, I think he has a decent chance for success, but I thought a little more veteran coach may have been in order for this veteran team. As for the timing.....I still don't know why any coach would admit he was going into his last year. A few losses could snowball. I'm guessing the team wanted to announce this as soon as possible, since Mora is such a good recruiter, this will give them some added stability to offer to potential free agents. Thumbs up let's do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Did they interview any black candidates yet? I thought it wasnt allowed to appoint someone as a HC when there is already one signed. Or I might have been smoking crack... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Holmgren is officially a lame duck HC already? Wow - expect SEA to right into the tank in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) Holmgren is officially a lame duck HC already? Wow - expect SEA to right into the tank in 2008. Yeah, not smart for them to leak that info already. While Mora Sr. would've provided far more entertaining sound bytes, his son did a pretty good job of getting the Falcons defense to a high level. Not sure of how good a HC he is, but he's at least a legitimate one. Edited February 6, 2008 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Did they interview any black candidates yet? I thought it wasnt allowed to appoint someone as a HC when there is already one signed. Or I might have been smoking crack... fn racists; I knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Holmgren is officially a lame duck HC already? Yeah, not smart for them to leak that info already. Holmgren announced in a press conference this would be his last year a couple weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Knowing how calculated Holmgren is when he speaks, this tells me that he really thinks that his team will play harder for him if they know he is in his last year. I disagree but who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Holmgren announced in a press conference this would be his last year a couple weeks ago. Didn't know that. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Knowing how calculated Holmgren is when he speaks, this tells me that he really thinks that his team will play harder for him if they know he is in his last year. I disagree but who knows? I'm on your side. I think it detracts from his authority significantly and will most probably negatively impact the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Did they interview any black candidates yet? I thought it wasnt allowed to appoint someone as a HC when there is already one signed. Or I might have been smoking crack... I wonder. It was being thrown around in the Jason Garrett sweepstakes that in order to take the reins of HC, after being on the staff, there has to be specific language in the Assistants contract stating that the job was theirs after the current HC leaves. And that's the way around the Rooney Rule presumably in Garrett's case if he becomes HC in Dallas without any other candidates interviewed. I don't think anyone knows that for sure. Maybe Mora has that in his contract? Because otherwise, I believe you're right, they'd have to interview a minority candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I wonder. It was being thrown around in the Jason Garrett sweepstakes that in order to take the reins of HC, after being on the staff, there has to be specific language in the Assistants contract stating that the job was theirs after the current HC leaves. And that's the way around the Rooney Rule presumably in Garrett's case if he becomes HC in Dallas without any other candidates interviewed. I don't think anyone knows that for sure. Maybe Mora has that in his contract? Because otherwise, I believe you're right, they'd have to interview a minority candidate. The word on local sports radio in Seattle is the Rooney rule only comes into play if there is a coaching vacancy. Seattle is supposed to name Mora the coach for the 2009 season today; which I guess technically means there will never be a vacant coaching position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 "On the December 19-20 conference calls, the owners strongly agreed on the principle that any club seeking to hire a head coach will interview one or more minority applicants for the position. The one exception occurs when a club has made a prior contractual commitment to promote a member of its own staff and no additional interviewing takes place (e.g. Mike Martz and the St. Louis Rams in 2000)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 The word on local sports radio in Seattle is the Rooney rule only comes into play if there is a coaching vacancy. Seattle is supposed to name Mora the coach for the 2009 season today; which I guess technically means there will never be a vacant coaching position. Hmm. That seems a little sneaky, doesn't it? I'm not all that fond of the Rooney Rule anyway, but that doesn't seem like it's following the "spirit" of the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I'm on your side. I think it detracts from his authority significantly and will most probably negatively impact the team. whatever I'm not. I think they will play ballz out for Holmgren- Holmgren having his authority lessened? right................................. I don't think it detracts from his authority or ability to lead the team at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I'm on your side. I think it detracts from his authority significantly and will most probably negatively impact the team. It's Mike Holmgren. Not Marty Mornhinweg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I wonder. It was being thrown around in the Jason Garrett sweepstakes that in order to take the reins of HC, after being on the staff, there has to be specific language in the Assistants contract stating that the job was theirs after the current HC leaves. And that's the way around the Rooney Rule presumably in Garrett's case if he becomes HC in Dallas without any other candidates interviewed. I don't think anyone knows that for sure. Maybe Mora has that in his contract? Because otherwise, I believe you're right, they'd have to interview a minority candidate. Maybe Mora is black kinda like how Mariah Carey is black and we just dont' know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Holmgren having his authority lessened? right................................. Yeah, because it's never happened with pro athletes playing for lame duck coaches before. Good call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) Yeah, because it's never happened with pro athletes playing for lame duck coaches before. Good call. Who did it happen to? I have never paid that much attention to it so I really dont know. But if the reason those teams it did happen to was soley because the Coach was leaving ,wouldnt having your next coach on the team now take away that effect? Edited February 6, 2008 by xtra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Who did it happen to? I have never paid that much attention to it so I really dont know. But if the reason those teams it did happen to was soley because the Coach was leaving ,wouldnt having your next coach on the team now take away that effect? Well, everyone thought that Tom Coughlin was a lame-duck coach going into this last season. I haven't seen anything to make me think that Holmgren wouldn't command the utmost respect from his players next year. Other than that, BB is just one of the many resident blow-hards here who doesn't like to be contradicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) Well, everyone thought that Tom Coughlin was a lame-duck coach going into this last season. I didn't get the impression that Coughlin was on the verge of being canned last year, especially since that one-year extension kept him in NY through 2008. "He has a vision and he understands how that vision can now move forward," Tisch said. "He did not have to save his job. He did not have to talk us into anything." The owners didn't ask Coughlin to make any changes and they said they were satisfied he was the right man to lead the Giants. "Tom Coughlin is our coach for 2007 and hopefully for many years after that," Mara said. "That is the final decision." When I become convinced that somebody in this organization is not capable of doing the job any longer then we are not going to hesitate to take action," Mara said. "That is not the case here. I believe that Tom is an excellent coach and I believe that we will win with him." I basically agree that Holmgren, like Parcells, is the kind of guy who DEMANDS respect from his subordinates and almost always gets it. That said, there are examples of coaches with weaker resumes who lose their team when it becomes apparent that their job security is on thin ice. Mora Sr. is a good example. After Edge tore his ACL in '01 and the Colts went into a tailspin that November, Mora criticized Peyton on local radio for turning the ball over too much. Peyton then fired back with the semi-famous, "I'm trying to save his job right now" line. If a superstar doesn't like his coach and knows that the guy's job security is in question, it's not unusual for him to push him out the door. Edited February 6, 2008 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Yeah, because it's never happened with pro athletes playing for lame duck coaches before. Good call. sorry - I don't see Mike Holmgren and think lame duck but hey that is just me - way to make a broad generalization Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Maybe it works out. Maybe Mike Holmgren's storybook ending in Seattle comes true. Maybe the players will give that extra little bit to send him out in style. However, if the Seahawks happen to struggle this year, you could see players trying to play for themselves in an attempt to impress the new coach, especially when you are dealing with guys who are up for contracts or guys who could be on the verge of potentially being replaced. While it may not be a huge factor, I just don't agree that it is a risk that really needed to be taken. I would have done the deal with Mora behind closed doors as well, and not let it get out to the public. You could still tell potential free agents that Mora will be the coach after the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 (edited) Maybe it works out. Maybe Mike Holmgren's storybook ending in Seattle comes true. Maybe the players will give that extra little bit to send him out in style. However, if the Seahawks happen to struggle this year, you could see players trying to play for themselves in an attempt to impress the new coach, especially when you are dealing with guys who are up for contracts or guys who could be on the verge of potentially being replaced. While it may not be a huge factor, I just don't agree that it is a risk that really needed to be taken. I would have done the deal with Mora behind closed doors as well, and not let it get out to the public. You could still tell potential free agents that Mora will be the coach after the season. Would the scenarios above happen even if Mora wasnt named head coach? Edited February 7, 2008 by xtra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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