Patriots Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Was on the Boston Sports talk radio this morning. Guy is a nut job. I am pretty sure if your a lawyer you should not go out in public and lay out your case so your opposition knows your stategy. Also, when a Boston Lawyer was asking him questions all he could say was you cheated, your going down, etc. Something a child would do. He also admitted his whole case rests on the so called Tape that Matt Walsh says he has and then ten mintues he said he doesn't need the tape. He also said that lawyers in every city could start there own lawsuits and he specicially mentioned Pittsburgh. Just my take on his interview. He sounded more like a used car salesman than a lawyer. IMO if there are tapes out there then his case has legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Huh. Imagine a lawyer trying his case in the court of public opinion. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! And at Belichek denying vehemently ever seeing any tape of any game or walk through. That's like Bill Clinton addresssing the nation in prime time, wagging his finger at all of us and telling us he did not do Monica Lewinski after the stained blue dress made its appearance. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, Bill. Sure you didn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted February 18, 2008 Author Share Posted February 18, 2008 Huh. Imagine a lawyer trying his case in the court of public opinion. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! And at Belichek denying vehemently ever seeing any tape of any game or walk through. That's like Bill Clinton addresssing the nation in prime time, wagging his finger at all of us and telling us he did not do Monica Lewinski after the stained blue dress made its appearance. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, Bill. Sure you didn't... Can someone let me know if taping the walk through was against the rules? I think there is a gray area about what was allowed and what was not allowed up to a certain point in time. Also, it is my feeling that if your are having a closed door practice it is the teams responsibilty to make sure only your team is there. Please keep in mind that I not defending the Pats or BB or condoning there actions. I am just having a discussion with my fellow huddlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Wiggy Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I heard him on WEEI this morning. Guy sounded like a total hack. When pressed by the local lawyer, he pretty much threw a temper tantrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I'm so tired of hearing about this crap. If anyone thinks that anyone of this is the reason that the Patriots have been the most dominant franchise the last 7 years they're The Patriots have been the most dominant franchise because they are the best coached, well prepared team and execute better than any other team. Enough already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I'm so tired of hearing about this crap. If anyone thinks that anyone of this is the reason that the Patriots have been the most dominant franchise the last 7 years they're The Patriots have been the most dominant franchise because they are the best coached, well prepared team and execute better than any other team. Enough already! Well... I'd certainly agree that they are the most prepared. It takes an awful lot of illegal video to be as prepared as they've been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Well... I'd certainly agree that they are the most prepared. It takes an awful lot of illegal video to be as prepared as they've been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 (edited) I'm so tired of hearing about this crap. If anyone thinks that anyone of this is the reason that the Patriots have been the most dominant franchise the last 7 years they're The Patriots have been the most dominant franchise because they are the best coached, well prepared team and execute better than any other team. Enough already! I couldn't have said it better myself, professor. The margins between the vast majority of NFL teams is fairly slim. Any advantage - say like knowing what plays the other team is going to run before the play happens - is a hugh edge. Edited February 19, 2008 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I'm so tired of hearing about this crap. If anyone thinks that anyone of this is the reason that the Patriots have been the most dominant franchise the last 7 years they're The Patriots have been the most dominant franchise because they are the best coached, well prepared team and execute better than any other team. Enough already! Now, I don't know exactly what you are or are not allowed to tape. However, if the league has determined that taping certain things is against the rule they must have done so for a reason. If one team (and only one team which absolutely may or may not be true and could render this entire argument dead), then don't you think that could have something to do with how well prepared they've been? Do you understand that you can't have it both ways? I mean, how does a coach prepare? By watching film and game planning based on what they see. Well, if you're watching film that you're not allowed to watch, that might go a long way to explain why you're so well prepared. Wouldn't it? Now, I'm about as tired of this as anyone. Perhaps one can't really get enough out of taping such sessions as they're accused of taping to make as big a difference as it seems to have made. Of course, you would think an unbiased source would have said so by now. Maybe there are no tapes. Maybe this is all a bunch of lies from Patriot haters. None the less, if a) taping a walk-through can give a team a huge advantage and they did, well, they should be punished. None the less, your line of reasoning is sort of lame. I mean, what's the difference between what you're saying and somebody defending Barry Bonds against steroid allegations by saying he works out more than anyone else and is the strongest batter in the league. Well, duh. But that doesn't refute the notion that he roided up because both of the points made to defend him could be the result of using steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I couldn't have said it better myself, professor. The margins between the vast majority of NFL teams is fairly slim. Any advantage - say like knowing what plays the other team is going to run before the play happens - is a hugh edge. Is this some very deftly played sarcasm here or are you "agreeing" with professor despite the fact that you have each said the exact opposite thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Is this some very deftly played sarcasm here or are you "agreeing" with professor despite the fact that you have each said the exact opposite thing. I thought that the NLF sent a memo to every team to stop taping and then the Pats got in troule because they kept doing it this year. Why send a memo to every team if the Pats were the only team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I thought that the NLF sent a memo to every team to stop taping and then the Pats got in troule because they kept doing it this year. Why send a memo to every team if the Pats were the only team. My point is this: Somebody says they have proof that the Pats taped the Rams before the SB. The only thing that is being questioned is how legit that claim is. Thus, I have to assume that nobody important has taken the stance that it's really no big deal even if true. You'd think that if everyone did it, somebody who'd been in the league but now isn't would come out and say, "It doesn't matter if this is true. Everyone, I mean everyone did this and because of that, there was only so much you could even gain from the tapes because everyone knew they were likely to be taped. It was vaguely frowned upon at the time and only recently became against the rules." Perhaps I've missed it, but I haven't heard anyone say that. Thus, I have to assume that it is a big deal (assuming, of course, that it's true). I can't see how any outsider could assume it's not a big deal if true based on the fact that no credible person has given us any reason to believe so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 My point is this: Somebody says they have proof that the Pats taped the Rams before the SB. The only thing that is being questioned is how legit that claim is. Thus, I have to assume that nobody important has taken the stance that it's really no big deal even if true. You'd think that if everyone did it, somebody who'd been in the league but now isn't would come out and say, "It doesn't matter if this is true. Everyone, I mean everyone did this and because of that, there was only so much you could even gain from the tapes because everyone knew they were likely to be taped. It was vaguely frowned upon at the time and only recently became against the rules." Perhaps I've missed it, but I haven't heard anyone say that. Thus, I have to assume that it is a big deal (assuming, of course, that it's true). I can't see how any outsider could assume it's not a big deal if true based on the fact that no credible person has given us any reason to believe so. I see your point and it makes sense to me. The Lawyer that is suing the Pats is bringing up the fact that they prob taped over 200 games. I think this is a different issue than the Walk through. Reg season and preseason games was what the Memo was about to all NFL teams. And I don't consider that cheating since it was known a lot of people were doing it. But my point has been that if your going though your walk through and its such a secret would you not notice someone taping you? The SB is not your home field and you should know that its not a secure facility like you would have at your own stadium. And the lawer has said he can prove that the Rams would have won the game. I wold be interested to see that testimony and also if any good NFL players like Faulk/Warner are going to be on board with this or just that chump that wants some coin. I think he was cut the next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 But my point has been that if your going though your walk through and its such a secret would you not notice someone taping you? The SB is not your home field and you should know that its not a secure facility like you would have at your own stadium. If there is an understanding that each team is to be allowed a private workout prior to the game, I don't know why the onus should be on the team to make sure that they're not being taped by the other team. Like any other rule, the very reason for establishing them is to allow non-offenders to safely proceed with their routine under the assumption that they don't need to worry about the other team violating them. This is why you can enter an intersection with confidence when the light is green in your direction. Because there has been a rule put in place that says the people facing red have to let you go. If someone runs that light and hits you, is it your fault because you had to know there was a possibility that somebody could run the red light and should have stopped and looked first despite the fact that the light was green. I mean, that would sure suck for everyone. First off, I think it is the obligation of the league to provide security against that and more importantly the obligation of the other team not to stoop to that level. If they do and get caught, they should be punished. How much depends on how valuable doing so would be to your game plan. That is not something I am qualified to answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Reg season and preseason games was what the Memo was about to all NFL teams. And I don't consider that cheating since it was known a lot of people were doing it. Please provide documentation of the "lot of people" who were cheating in a similar manner also. The only team I have seen penalized for this is NE, and they were penalized severely with the loss of a 1st round draft pick. I know this probably hasn't occurred to you since you consider this kind of unethical behavior a non-issue, but has it ever occurred in even a remote manner that one of the reasons NE has been dominant for the past 7 years is that they took illegal measures that gave them an edge other teams didn't have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 Please provide documentation of the "lot of people" who were cheating in a similar manner also. The only team I have seen penalized for this is NE, and they were penalized severely with the loss of a 1st round draft pick. I know this probably hasn't occurred to you since you consider this kind of unethical behavior a non-issue, but has it ever occurred in even a remote manner that one of the reasons NE has been dominant for the past 7 years is that they took illegal measures that gave them an edge other teams didn't have? They lost the pic and got fined because they got caught after teams were told to stop taping. I am trying to have a friendly argument with some people and you have to come on here and tell me that I am unethical. Why? So all fans of the Patriots condone cheating? How about Indy pumping extra crownd noise into the dome? That has not been proven, but people think it could have been done? No proof, just like the Pats taping the walk through. No proof yet. And if Walsh has tapes why is he taling his time trying to get a great deal from the government for protection? What doe he need protection from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) I am trying to have a friendly argument with some people and you have to come on here and tell me that I am unethical. Why? So all fans of the Patriots condone cheating? No, you labeled yourself unethical. The NFL decided that Belichek's action was egregious enough to penalize them a 1st round pick as a consequence, yet you come here & say - like Belichek, who I might add has a changing story everyday now, it seems - that it was virtually meaningless. The NFL clearly decided the behavior was clearly illegal, you claim its not significant. Your support of obviously unethical & illegal behavior speaks for itself, my friend. And if Walsh has tapes why is he taling his time trying to get a great deal from the government for protection? What doe he need protection from? Anything regarding Walsh & the previous 7 years of alleged taping is nothing but speculation. I guess the question you ought to be asking is, why does he have any leverage at all to be making deals if he doesn't have anything of value? Edited February 20, 2008 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 No, you labeled yourself unethical. The NFL decided that Belichek's action was egregious enough to penalize them a 1st round pick as a consequence, yet you come here & say - like Belichek, who I might add has a changing story everyday now, it seems - that it was virtually meaningless. The NFL clearly decided the behavior was clearly illegal, you claim its not significant. Your support of obviously unethical & illegal behavior speaks for itself, my friend. Anything regarding Walsh & the previous 7 years of alleged taping is nothing but speculation. I guess the question you ought to be asking is, why does he have any leverage at all to be making deals if he doesn't have anything of value? I think you may be missing my point. Thre are two issues in front of us right now. 1. The pats taping signals. 2. Taping the Rams walk through. I was trying to say that I feel the taping of te signals was done after the NFL told the Pats to stop so they got fined and lost the pic. That should be a dead issue as the Memo went to every team so I am assuming that more than just the pats may have been doing it or had done it in the past. Taping the walk though would open up a whole new can of worms and also bring up the question of what else had they taped. I agree that if this turns out to be true than it will be a big deal for everyone involved. I think the problem is that people lump all this taping into one bucket and think that the Pats taped every teams walkthrough and the past 200 or s games they played should be tainted. If you take that agrument, then every game Barry Bonds played in should be forefeited as well. This is just my oinion as you are entiteled to yours. But do not lump me into the same category as Bill Belicheck. I love my team but I do not hire the coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 If you take that agrument, then every game Barry Bonds played in should be forefeited as well. I could live with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I could live with that. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerMurf Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Can someone let me know if taping the walk through was against the rules? I think there is a gray area about what was allowed and what was not allowed up to a certain point in time. Also, it is my feeling that if your are having a closed door practice it is the teams responsibilty to make sure only your team is there. Please keep in mind that I not defending the Pats or BB or condoning there actions. I am just having a discussion with my fellow huddlers. that's like blaming a home owner when an intruder finds their way into their home and robs them....it's up to the home owner to make sure nobody gets in to steal anything, the robber did nothing wrong the homeowner did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerMurf Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 (edited) I'm so tired of hearing about this crap. If anyone thinks that anyone of this is the reason that the Patriots have been the most dominant franchise the last 7 years they're The Patriots have been the most dominant franchise because they are the best coached, well prepared team and execute better than any other team. Enough already! You can't call a team who hasn't won the last 3 superbowls the most dominant team in the NFL. They were the most dominant between 2001 and 2004....but not since. And 3 pt superbowl wins are about as narrow a victory as you can get.....even knowing just one play ahead of time could put you over the edge. The Pats get an auto bid into the playoffs in that sorry division....and it will happen again this year Edited February 21, 2008 by SteelerMurf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 INDIANAPOLIS — The Patriots’ pattern of illicitly videotaping the signals of opposing N.F.L. coaches began in Coach Bill Belichick’s first preseason with the team in 2000, a former Patriots player said. The information was put to use in that year’s regular-season opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Belichick’s debut as New England’s head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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