kpholmes Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 From KFFL- Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports Chicago Bears WR Bernard Berrian, who is soon to be an unrestricted free agent, was offered a five-year deal from the Bears worth $25 million. The deal included $8 million in the form of a signing bonus. Berrian, however, turned the proposal down and will test the free-agent water. KFFL also reports he will be at the top of Minnesota's FA list... but that's no surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Anybody know how this deal would stack up against other top WR deals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) From KFFL-Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports Chicago Bears WR Bernard Berrian, who is soon to be an unrestricted free agent, was offered a five-year deal from the Bears worth $25 million. The deal included $8 million in the form of a signing bonus. Berrian, however, turned the proposal down and will test the free-agent water. KFFL also reports he will be at the top of Minnesota's FA list... but that's no surprise. Bears fan here. I think this was a reasonable offer. I would hate to see Berrian leave, but they shouldn't break the bank to keep him. He is good, but not that good. Edited February 28, 2008 by Wolverines Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Anybody know how this deal would stack up against other top WR deals? He's going to be the no.1 wr in free agency if you believe Moss will be resigned. Saying that, I think a 5 for 25 is an offer that he'd easily get from a number of teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Per Profootballtalk.com. Take it for what it's worth. POSTED 8:06 a.m. EST, February 28, 2008 BEARS, BERRIAN HAVE A GAP TO BRIDGE If receiver Bernard Berrian is going to continue to wear an orange wishbone on a blue helmet for 2008 and beyond, the Bears and Berrian have some work to do. Quickly. Per Brad Biggs of the Chicago Sun-Times, the Bears have offered Berrian a five-year, $25 million deal with $8 million in bonus money. Berrian wants $24.5 million over the first three years, and bonuses north of $12 million. Given the rampant pre-free agency tampering, it's possible that Berrian's demand has been influenced by what he has heard that other teams might or will pay. And that's the real problem with tampering. It makes it harder for a player's current team to keep him because it allows other franchises to drive a premature wedge into what otherwise might be a productive and mutually satisfying relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Given the rampant pre-free agency tampering, it's possible that Berrian's demand has been influenced by what he has heard that other teams might or will pay. And that's the real problem with tampering. It makes it harder for a player's current team to keep him because it allows other franchises to drive a premature wedge into what otherwise might be a productive and mutually satisfying relationship. Or maybe it's that he can see that some teams are desperate for WR's and knows that the market is much higher than what the Bears are willing to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Haven't seen Berrian play much, but thought I read somewhere he had questionable hands and from the Vikings standpoint why would they want another Williamson. Any truth to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Haven't seen Berrian play much, but thought I read somewhere he had questionable hands and from the Vikings standpoint why would they want another Williamson. Any truth to this? He caught 71 passes last year and Williamson caught 18. I bet Williamson had more drops than him. I think it's a non issue. Somebody will pay 5-6 years and 35-40 mil...I would love if he signed with the Vikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 That is a joke of an offer in this day and age. He has at least proven to be "solid". A "solid" receiver is worth at least around 10-12 up front. Throw in his relatively young age and outstanding speed, and I'm guessing 5 for 25 is maybe 2/3 of what he is going to end up getting. The Bears were at least average at WR, which was their best offensive skill position. Now, if they were to lose Berrian and having already lost Muhammed, this could be the most pathetic offense I have ever seen in my life. It's a shame that a team with such a good defense won't be able to turn itself into a contender. Berrian may not be Torry Holt, but he surely isn't Troy Williamson either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 That is a joke of an offer in this day and age. He has at least proven to be "solid". A "solid" receiver is worth at least around 10-12 up front. Throw in his relatively young age and outstanding speed, and I'm guessing 5 for 25 is maybe 2/3 of what he is going to end up getting. Yeah, I agree that $8 million guaranteed isn't enough for a guy like him. Sounds to me like Angelo is low-balling him and that Berrian doesn't have much interest in staying in Chicago anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 That is a joke of an offer in this day and age. He has at least proven to be "solid". A "solid" receiver is worth at least around 10-12 up front. Throw in his relatively young age and outstanding speed, and I'm guessing 5 for 25 is maybe 2/3 of what he is going to end up getting. The Bears were at least average at WR, which was their best offensive skill position. Now, if they were to lose Berrian and having already lost Muhammed, this could be the most pathetic offense I have ever seen in my life. It's a shame that a team with such a good defense won't be able to turn itself into a contender. Berrian may not be Torry Holt, but he surely isn't Troy Williamson either. However, when Mark Bradley played when Berrian was out, he played better, in my estimation, than Berrian did. My two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Sounds to me like Angelo is low-balling him Angelo is killing this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I just don't know what to make of Berrian, but I suspect he's overvalued with people remembering the first 6 games of 2006. Still, his 2007 numbers are respectable. Bears fans: think he's really a #1 WR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I just don't know what to make of Berrian, but I suspect he's overvalued with people remembering the first 6 games of 2006. Still, his 2007 numbers are respectable. Bears fans: think he's really a #1 WR? I think he is a great number 2. Santonio Holmes is a better receiver than Berrian. I would take my chances Bradley can stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Angelo is killing this team. Not sure I'd say that. He put together a championship-caliber defense and drafted/signed/traded for some nice offensive talent. His downfall was using first-round picks on Grossman and Benson. McCaskey was the team-killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Not sure I'd say that. He put together a championship-caliber defense and drafted/signed/traded for some nice offensive talent. His downfall was using first-round picks on Grossman and Benson. He's also not tried to fix the Grossman/Benson mistakes and is about to let Briggs and Berrian walk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 However, when Mark Bradley played when Berrian was out, he played better, in my estimation, than Berrian did. My two cents. Bradley has the injury bug so far. Berrian was accused of sloppy routes last season that lead to a few Grossman INTs (his specialty). Personally, I think Berrian is a tweener. Low end #1 WR for a team. Good #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 He caught 71 passes last year and Williamson caught 18. I bet Williamson had more drops than him. I think it's a non issue. Somebody will pay 5-6 years and 35-40 mil...I would love if he signed with the Vikes. i think 40 mil is stretching it. he hasn't proven himself that much. imo, he's worth 25mil over 4 years with 10-12 up front or guaranteed. That's reasonable. I think the bears have no intention of letting him walk, and he'll get his deal. Yeah, I agree that $8 million guaranteed isn't enough for a guy like him. Sounds to me like Angelo is low-balling him and that Berrian doesn't have much interest in staying in Chicago anyway. I think the deal they offered was fair, minus the guaranteed. What's a few mil amongst friends? As far as #1 potential? Maybe not with Grossman. A better QB he might be star material. But as a #2, he's beyond super star. he's as good as Wayne was as the #2 guy behind Marv. I'd like to see Carolina make a play for him. Even tho he thinks he's #1 material, and Moose prolly believes he's still #2 material, with that trio on the field, we could neglect our running game propa! Which all know is Carolina's thing. Anyway, KC could be a fit, or TB, SF. BAL . Lots of fits for him and they'll pay what he wants. I think he's being reasonable, but the Bears offer was fair enough. Can't fault either party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 i think 40 mil is stretching it. he hasn't proven himself that much. imo, he's worth 25mil over 4 years with 10-12 up front or guaranteed. That's reasonable.I think the bears have no intention of letting him walk, and he'll get his deal. I think he will get Kevin Curtis money. Add in the inflation from last year and a team overpaying a bit and you have 35 million over 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Bradley has the injury bug so far. Berrian was accused of sloppy routes last season that lead to a few Grossman INTs (his specialty). Personally, I think Berrian is a tweener. Low end #1 WR for a team. Good #2. Maybe i'm mistaken and that's what I had heard...his route running and not his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I'd like to see Berrian back but like others have said, not at the expense of breaking the bank. While this offer seems low at first, I don't have a huge problem with it. I am surprised the Bears aren't being that aggressive with getting him back. WR's will be VERY thing next year. Hester as a number one? Yikes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 He's also not tried to fix the Grossman/Benson mistakes and is about to let Briggs and Berrian walk... I imagine that Berrian probably wants out. He's #1 WR material and will make a lot more over the long term with a competent QB. He won't get that in Chicago. I don't think that Angelo ever planned on keeping Briggs around. He's good, but he can be replaced. Look at it this way: Angelo managed to sign several key defensive players to big contracts during his tenure (Urlacher, Vasher, Tillman, Alex Brown, and I believe Mike Brown back in 2002). I'd say that he's done an overwhelmingly good job with the defense and special teams as well (Hester, Gould). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 McCaskey was the team-killer. Yep. It all comes back to that, always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BumpNRun Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 He's also not tried to fix the Grossman/Benson mistakes and is about to let Briggs and Berrian walk... Very good observation, one that has major factors/contributors in the decline. +1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I think he will get Kevin Curtis money. Add in the inflation from last year and a team overpaying a bit and you have 35 million over 5 years How'd that work out with Kevin Curtis? Yep. Berrian isn't worth it either. Turning your nose at $25 million to get to continue to play with your teammates? Hey, have fun storming the castle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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