FishFreak Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Yes Brett is probably a top ten QB simply because he was incredibly durable but overall the guy is vastly overrated and somehow got the red carpet treatment for most of his career. The things I remember most about Favre is celebrating his SB win against the Pats, his record setting INT's thrown against the Rams in the playoffs, the stupid INT against the Eagles in the playoffs and another horrible INT against the Giants in the playoffs this year. Yet with all the bonehead throws he makes he's still everyone's loveable "gunslinger". I think this article sums it up best. Check out the link below: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3281535 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Nobody ever said that he wasn't a risk taker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 If I were to start my own franchise - the only other QBs I'd take other than Favre (from their rookie year on) are Brady, Elway and Marino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Nobody ever said that he wasn't a risk taker. got to break a couple eggs to make an omlet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BeeR Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 sweet, another Favre thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 (edited) over his final 16 yrs(yes I am not including his 1st yr with the falcons where he thru 4 passes) is avgs were: 27.63 TDs/yr 17.88 INTS/yr 3853 Passing Yards/yr yeah, those numbers are overrated and the guy was durable...why should that be a Frigin NEGATIVE 1st Half of Career: 83 wins(avg 10.38 wins/season) 2nd Half of Career: 78 wins (avg 9.75 wins/season) (pretty darn consistent if you ask me) 2nd half of career avgs: 25.88 TDs/yr 18.38 INTs/yr(if you look at the year he threw 29 picks and just peeled off 5 that year you would see his avg dip below the 1st half of his career) 3845 passing yards/yr In the 2nd half of his career favre has 1 less 30TD season then Peyton has his entire career and 2 more then Brady has. Edited March 10, 2008 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I read that yesterday but didn't want to be known as a Favre hater so I don't post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Yes Brett is probably a top ten QB simply because he was incredibly durable but overall the guy is vastly overrated and somehow got the red carpet treatment for most of his career. The things I remember most about Favre is celebrating his SB win against the Pats, his record setting INT's thrown against the Rams in the playoffs, the stupid INT against the Eagles in the playoffs and another horrible INT against the Giants in the playoffs this year. Yet with all the bonehead throws he makes he's still everyone's loveable "gunslinger". I think this article sums it up best. Check out the link below: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3281535 What makes Favre amazing to me is only three things. His streak of consecutive games started, which I seriously doubt another QB will ever come close to. His three league MVPs, which has never been done. But more than anything, what I like about Brett Favre, the reason I have an autographed helmet and and an autographed jersey hanging on my wall is his attitude. He played in the NFL like it was a Pop Warner league. The last memory that will stick in my head of this season will not be a TD pass, a mad scramble and an off balanced throw or an INT, it will be him throwing a snowball, like some little kid. He is that rare guy in the NFL that you actually believe he does what he does for the love of the game, and not necessarily the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 What makes Favre amazing to me is only three things. His streak of consecutive games started, which I seriously doubt another QB will ever come close to. His three league MVPs, which has never been done. But more than anything, what I like about Brett Favre, the reason I have an autographed helmet and and an autographed jersey hanging on my wall is his attitude. He played in the NFL like it was a Pop Warner league. The last memory that will stick in my head of this season will not be a TD pass, a mad scramble and an off balanced throw or an INT, it will be him throwing a snowball, like some little kid. He is that rare guy in the NFL that you actually believe he does what he does for the love of the game, and not necessarily the money. Good points. I read this morning after the press conference he went south to hunt wild Boar. He is a unique guy we'll probably never see again. Even at his press conference you could his love for the game and his teammates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 to put it in the typical language of sports cliches, favre was a "gamer", but he wasn't "clutch". his play was more likely to step back in the big game than step up. the stats in that article kinda demonstrate this conclusively. main reason why i'd have to put him more in that 5-10 range all-time, rather than top 5. still a tremendous player, an awesome ambassador for the game with the way he played, and easily a first ballot hall of famer. just not in the "GOAT" discussion for me personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 This article is mostly garbage. LOL especially at the Bart Starr comparison. Brett carried average teams on his back into the playoffs in the Sherman era. I wouldn't necessarily say that he's the best ever, but it's pretty retarded to knock a guy who has 3 League MVPs, 61,655 passing yds, 455 total TDs, a career 61.4% completion percentage, a career 85.7 QB rating, two NFC titles, and a ring. Oh, and the Packers went to the playoffs in 11 of his 16 seasons as a starter. Seriously, how many former QBs were even on the same level as Favre? Certainly, Untas, Tarkenton, Marino, and Montana. And maybe Elway and Otto Graham. But who else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 : you go ahead and remember the INTs. We'll remember Favre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I think Brett Favre was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 This article is mostly garbage. LOL especially at the Bart Starr comparison. Brett carried average teams on his back into the playoffs in the Sherman era. I wouldn't necessarily say that he's the best ever, but it's pretty retarded to knock a guy who has 3 League MVPs, 61,655 passing yds, 455 total TDs, a career 61.4% completion percentage, a career 85.7 QB rating, two NFC titles, and a ring. Oh, and the Packers went to the playoffs in 11 of his 16 seasons as a starter. Seriously, how many former QBs were even on the same level as Favre? Certainly, Untas, Tarkenton, Marino, and Montana. And maybe Elway and Otto Graham. But who else? Manning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 to put it in the typical language of sports cliches, favre was a "gamer", but he wasn't "clutch". his play was more likely to step back in the big game than step up. the stats in that article kinda demonstrate this conclusively. main reason why i'd have to put him more in that 5-10 range all-time, rather than top 5. still a tremendous player, an awesome ambassador for the game with the way he played, and easily a first ballot hall of famer. just not in the "GOAT" discussion for me personally. +1... I'm in the same camp--easily a first ballot HOFer but not "Greatest of all-time." Kind of related to all of this and for argument's sake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 (edited) Manning I'm not going to bring Manning and Brady into the conversation until they retire. +1... I'm in the same camp--easily a first ballot HOFer but not "Greatest of all-time." Kind of related to all of this and for argument's sake... Favre wasn't throwing a ton of picks in playoff games back in the mid '90s. Coincidentally, that's when his teams had better offensive talent, better defensive talent, and better coaching than they did in the Sherman era. Edited March 10, 2008 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 btw, I happen to enjoy the fact that Favre has the INT record too. Who else on the planet, do you know, that really couldn't care less if he has that record. I bet he laughs about it, and probably laughed about it when he broke the record. Only Favre deserves to have the TD record, the PY record, AND the INT record... It just shows his passion. You can actually see his passion in his stats. When my grandkids in 30 years, want to know about Brett Favre, I can just show them a stat sheet, and they'll understand. You can't say that for many players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 People label ANYONE as overrated now days. It is beyond sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Seriously, how many former QBs were even on the same level as Favre? Certainly, Untas, Tarkenton, Marino, and Montana. And maybe Elway and Otto Graham. But who else? "Certainly" Tarkenton, but only "maybe" Elway and Graham? Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 (edited) I'm not going to bring Manning and Brady into the conversation until they retire.Favre wasn't throwing a ton of picks in playoff games back in the mid '90s. Coincidentally, that's when his teams had better offensive talent, better defensive talent, and better coaching than they did in the Sherman era. There are very few exceptions, but a QB (like other skilled positions) is generally only as good as the parts around him. Very few, if any, 'great' QBs are known for long, storied careers on very lousy teams. It's no coincidence that Favre had his best years when he was not only in his physical/skill prime but also had his best 'team'... from 1993 to 1998, the Packer D was never worse than 11 in pts allowed and only once worse than 7th in yds allowed. I also wouldn't really overlook the Sherman teams either. The D wasn't great but were good enough from 2000 to 2003 then took a downturn in 04-05. Yes, besides Favre there wasn't really any great talent on the team but Ahman Green had 4 consecutive Pro Bowl season including 2 All-Pros. That's huge for a QB and also says something about the OL and OCs... just ask Marino who only got one 1000 yd rusher and zero Pro Bowlers. Favre is a first ballot HOFer and one of the greatest QBs of all-time. IMO, based on other factors (especially postseason success and overall efficiency when compared to other QBs of other eras) he's not the best all-time. I guess it comes down to this... if a QB only draft were to take place, active or retired, I would not take Favre with the #1 pick. IMO, he'd fall in the 5-10 range. Edited March 10, 2008 by kingfish247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Modern era QB's in the Hall of Fame- Troy Aikman 1989-2000 George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975 Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983 Len Dawson 1957-1975 John Elway 1983-1998 Dan Fouts 1973-1987 Otto Graham 1946-1955 Bob Griese 1967-1980 Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974 Jim Kelly 1986-1996 Bobby Layne 1948-1962 Dan Marino 1983-1999 Joe Montana 1979-1994 Warren Moon 1984-2000 Joe Namath 1965-1977 Bart Starr 1956-1971 Roger Staubach 1969-1979 Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978 Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964 Johnny Unitas 1956-1973 Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960 Bob Waterfield 1945-1952 Steve Young 1985-1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Yes Brett is probably a top ten QB simply because he was incredibly durable but overall the guy is vastly overrated and somehow got the red carpet treatment for most of his career. The things I remember most about Favre is celebrating his SB win against the Pats, his record setting INT's thrown against the Rams in the playoffs, the stupid INT against the Eagles in the playoffs and another horrible INT against the Giants in the playoffs this year. Yet with all the bonehead throws he makes he's still everyone's loveable "gunslinger". I think this article sums it up best. Check out the link below: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3281535 You are an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 "Certainly" Tarkenton, but only "maybe" Elway and Graham? Yikes. So you're putting Elway above Tarkenton? You do realize that Tarkenton threw 42 more TDs than Elway in an era that wasn't friendly to the passing game at all, right? He was also the league first superstar scrambling QB and I believe that he was all-time TD pass leader when he retired. No offense to Elway, but that's kind of like ranking Troy Aikman over Len Dawson. As for Graham, that guy played so freaking long ago that it's difficult to compare him to the modern era QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 You can't have this serious discussion without mentioning Dan Pastorini people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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