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Ted Thompson took over a team in shambles... 4-12 to 8-8 to 14-4

Ted Thompson's team won more playoff games this year than the cowboys have in over 4,000 days.

That's right, keep on talking about your team from 12-13 years ago. :wacko:

Ted Thompson's team does'nt have one of the best QB's to ever lace 'em up anymore.

 

I never mentioned my team, yet you always seem to. It's been about a week since you've cried about Dallas not playing GB in December if you'd like to throw that in there too dumbass.

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Ted Thompson's team does'nt have one of the best QB's to ever lace 'em up anymore.

 

I never mentioned my team, yet you always seem to. It's been about a week since you've cried about Dallas not playing GB in December if you'd like to throw that in there too dumbass.

You never directly mentioned the cowboys, it was inferred when you said Ted Thompson didn't have any rings. And as far as not having Favre anymore... Favre was there when they went 4-12 as well... Are we to think that Favre just miraculously just started playing great again? Ted Thompson hired a great staff, then surrounded Favre with a lot of talent. I'm still not sure why you make it your business to chime in on every packers thread, but it's fine either way... Got any more names to call me?

You're super :wacko:

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Maybe the concern is whether or not Rodgers can stay healthy versus a lack of confidence in his ability.

 

Besides, to take your first comment a step further, its not a stretch to make the argument the Packers have the two best quarterbacks in their division.

 

I actually like the pick.

 

 

It's hard to know what he was thinking. When Brett was the QB his 2nd year they picked Mark Brunell. Later they picked Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks. Some were picked simply out of value at the spot in the draft.

 

They said yesterday Rodgers is the man and Brohm was picked because of value.

 

Trusting Ted is sometimes hard. :wacko:

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I like the Brohm pick. Rodgers has the talent to succeed and he shown he can do it in limited time. But we haven't seen if his body can stand up to the rigors of a full NFL season. Brohm is a great insurance policy and would mesh well with the Packers' West Coast system.

 

Nelson=Driver's eventual successor as move-the-chains possession receiver, which is key in the Packers' system.

Lee...just don't see him as anything more than secondary depth and a good special teams player. Not happy Thompson didn't draft a viable successor to either Woodson or Harris.

 

 

This guy can go deep. He's fast. I believe 4.49 in the forty.

 

 

 

Plucking the ball out of the air remind me of Jones and maybe even Driver.

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Nelson's got speed, though probably not quite as much as Jennings. Didn't mean to imply he was a slow possession receiver.

 

What stands out to me is his ability to run after the catch, his great hands, and his body control. He will do great working over the middle and be a plus red zone target as well.

 

Nice addition to the offense and will be Driver's replacement.

 

Great clip, BTW. Thanks.

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I do know that I like our draft a lot more after a night of rest... I can't wait to see what happens in the 3rd and 4th.

 

 

Isn't that how Ted's drafts always go? You have to take what he does in context and analyze what his picks mean.

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Isn't that how Ted's drafts always go? You have to take what he does in context and analyze what his picks mean.

Absolutely. I was on here yesterday saying that regardless of the pick, trust in Ted. It's not ever the obvious choice, but TT knows what he's doing.

 

Did you guys read that TT considered moving up to land Brohm earlier? I really didn't like the pick at the time, and then the more I thought about it, the more I loved the pick. We now have two young quarterbacks with the ability to be starters, that's never a bad thing. If Rodgers falters, we have the quarterback who would have been the no.1 off the board a year ago.

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I realize that Nelson is sexy right now, as the draft is only entering into the second day. But it's hard for me to believe that Nelson has already surpassed James Jones, Ruvell Martin, and Koren Robinson. I really liked what I saw out of James Jones last season and am hopefull that he can be the eventual replacement for Driver. I just think that it's a little early to believe that this kid will surpass either Jennings or Jones as a future starter for this team.

 

But as the Packer faithful mantra goes, "In Ted we trust"

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Absolutely. I was on here yesterday saying that regardless of the pick, trust in Ted. It's not ever the obvious choice, but TT knows what he's doing.

 

Did you guys read that TT considered moving up to land Brohm earlier? I really didn't like the pick at the time, and then the more I thought about it, the more I loved the pick. We now have two young quarterbacks with the ability to be starters, that's never a bad thing. If Rodgers falters, we have the quarterback who would have been the no.1 off the board a year ago.

 

 

I heard he tried moving up but couldn't(at the price he wanted) but Brohm was there when they picked.

 

From Packers.com

 

That didn't stop the Packers from trying to make the quarterback position as strong as possible, though. Thompson even said when Brohm was available early in the second round that he was trying to find a trading partner to move up and get Brohm, whose decorated career at the University of Louisville included more than 10,000 yards and 71 touchdown passes.

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I realize that Nelson is sexy right now, as the draft is only entering into the second day. But it's hard for me to believe that Nelson has already surpassed James Jones, Ruvell Martin, and Koren Robinson. I really liked what I saw out of James Jones last season and am hopefull that he can be the eventual replacement for Driver. I just think that it's a little early to believe that this kid will surpass either Jennings or Jones as a future starter for this team.

 

But as the Packer faithful mantra goes, "In Ted we trust"

 

 

I like him more as an H back/TE player. They have converted tall WR's into TE's in the past. I don't think he surpassed James Jones. If Drivers shoulder is healed he may have a good comeback year.

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I realize that Nelson is sexy right now, as the draft is only entering into the second day. But it's hard for me to believe that Nelson has already surpassed James Jones, Ruvell Martin, and Koren Robinson. I really liked what I saw out of James Jones last season and am hopefull that he can be the eventual replacement for Driver. I just think that it's a little early to believe that this kid will surpass either Jennings or Jones as a future starter for this team.

 

But as the Packer faithful mantra goes, "In Ted we trust"

Driver is going to start to wear down and you need WR's to run the WR sets the Pack does. Hopefully you have 3-4 solid WR's (not including Driver) for years to come. Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Robinson/Martin.

 

By the way - I have been playing hoops at the local Y here in Green Bay and James Jones has been playing the last couple of weeks. This guy is a class act - when his team is sitting out the dude hangs with kids and signs autographs and shoots free throws - I hope this guy is hugely successful because it is a breath of fresh air to see a class guy like this comapred to the Piece of crap that the Cowboys/Bengals throw out there.

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Hell, I'll say it. Terrible draft in the first 2 rounds. I love Nelson & Brohm, don't get me wrong. They are 2 of my favorite skil players in this draft and I think they both have the tools to be good to very good (but not great) players.

 

That said, GB has a championship caliber team put together right now. They need quality depth at CB, D-line & O-line. If Rodgers were to go down to injury, Brohm isn't going to do any better (and bing a rookie he'll probably do much worse) and if Rodgers can't hold him off for the starting spot (which I think he'll do easily) GB is screwed for the coming year or two anyhow.

 

Nelson moves into a position of strength for GB. How does he get onto the field for meaningful touches/plays in the next 2-3 years unless he flat out overcomes Jones & Martin? GB has a good strong WR corps, and they are all very young except for Driver.

 

GB needed depth that can help them in the next 2 years while they fight to go to the SB. Nelson and Brohm may help them 3 years or more down the road when both guys are ready to go full tilt, but with the team they now have they needed players at other spots. Chances are they'll develop both guys and then have to offer large contracts or lose them to FA by the time they are ready to contribute meaningfully.

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Hell, I'll say it. Terrible draft in the first 2 rounds. I love Nelson & Brohm, don't get me wrong. They are 2 of my favorite skil players in this draft and I think they both have the tools to be good to very good (but not great) players.

 

That said, GB has a championship caliber team put together right now. They need quality depth at CB, D-line & O-line. ...

 

 

They have 3 picks coming up in the 4th. I want to see depth at CB and O line. I want to wait until I see what they do there and look at the whole draft.

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They have 3 picks coming up in the 4th. I want to see depth at CB and O line. I want to wait until I see what they do there and look at the whole draft.

 

Yeah, but in the meantime DAL put at least 2 annd maybe 3 starters on the field that put distance between them & GB. And NY helped themsleves also.

 

GBs has drafting for 3 years down the road while these other teams are passing them (or widening the gap if you prefer) now.

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I think it is more risky to draft with a specific year in mind. You can't anticipate where your injuries will come and it can get you away from building quality depth as inexpensively as possible. Some will call it cheap, but it's good long range planning to me.

 

I had hoped that more of the early picks would have gone to the secondary and OL depth. I still think that Thompson would have taken Flowers with the 36 pick had he been available, but that didn't happen. There were some good OL picks that went off the board in the mid to late first round. So, Thompson is taking what the draft gives him instead of forcing it.

 

I like the Jermichael Finley pick. Clearly needs a lot of development to be a #1 NFL TE, but it looks like he has great hands and good speed. If he can become stronger and become a solid blocker, he could be good in a few years.

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Hell, I'll say it. Terrible draft in the first 2 rounds. I love Nelson & Brohm, don't get me wrong. They are 2 of my favorite skil players in this draft and I think they both have the tools to be good to very good (but not great) players.

 

That said, GB has a championship caliber team put together right now. They need quality depth at CB, D-line & O-line. If Rodgers were to go down to injury, Brohm isn't going to do any better (and bing a rookie he'll probably do much worse) and if Rodgers can't hold him off for the starting spot (which I think he'll do easily) GB is screwed for the coming year or two anyhow.

 

Nelson moves into a position of strength for GB. How does he get onto the field for meaningful touches/plays in the next 2-3 years unless he flat out overcomes Jones & Martin? GB has a good strong WR corps, and they are all very young except for Driver.

 

GB needed depth that can help them in the next 2 years while they fight to go to the SB. Nelson and Brohm may help them 3 years or more down the road when both guys are ready to go full tilt, but with the team they now have they needed players at other spots. Chances are they'll develop both guys and then have to offer large contracts or lose them to FA by the time they are ready to contribute meaningfully.

No offense, but after your Ryan/Pennington comparison, your draft analysis doesn't hold much water with me.

I'll trust Ted Thompson on this one.

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And I'm not saying our team is perfect, but how many glaring holes does this team really have that could be addressed without moving up?

 

QB- Rodgers has been the heir for years now, and they got the no.2 QB in the draft late in the second.

Need filled.

 

RB- Ryan Grant emerged as a quality starting back last year. Brandon Jackson looked very good as the 3rd down back late in the season. DeShawn Wynn looked good for depth. Noah Herron and Vernand Morencey are still here as well.

No Need.

 

WR- Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, and James Jones are a pretty stout trio. I'm not so high on KoRo or Martin. With Driver getting up there in age, and the threat of him wearing down paired with MM's offensive philosophy to run out 4 WR sets the Nelson pick makes sense. Nelson set records in the Big 12 and lit up Aquib Talib. He also comes in and potentially overtakes Williams as our return specialist. He also adds a big body to the WR corps, something that we don't really have with Jennings, Driver and Jones.

Strength gets stronger.

 

TE-Donald Lee showed he can be a decent player for us. Nothing game changing, but a good player. Jermichael Finley gets the chance to develop before he's the primary guy, but for the time being can be in on two tight end sets. He's a great vertical threat that could turn into a steal down the road.

 

OL- Taucher and Clifton are good to go at least for a few more years. Behind him we have Allen Barbre getting ready to take over one of those spots. Colledge is expected to take over the other tackle spot, but well see. We also have Spitz, Moll, and Coston at the guard position.

No huge need, as we have a lot of youth that is still maturing. Nothing around the packers picks that could come in day one.

 

DE-Kampman, Jenkins and KGB at DE already and form a nice trio. Jeremy Thompson comes in to add depth and to develop.

No real need here either.

 

DL- Ryan Pickett resserected his career since coming to Green Bay. Justin Harrell will be fully healthy for the first time, and showed flashes at the end of the year last year. Johnny Jolley who I love is also coming back from an injury and should be able to go full speed come mini camps.

No huge need, but I think we could see some more depth picks here.

 

LB- Hawk and Barnett are cornerstones to our defense, Chillar will overtake Poppinga at SLB, who will now be a nice depth player. Desmond Bishop and Abdul Hodge are here at depth as well.

No real need here

 

CB- Al Harris and Charles Woodson while aging, are still extremely solid if not more. Williams and Blackmon look like solid depth players, but I'm not sold on either of them to be able to step in place of Woody or Harris. We did have a need here, but I think we addressed that need with Lee, who fits into our system perfectly.

Draft need filled.

 

Safties- Atari Bigby over the second half of the season was an absolute monster. He fixed his mental breakdowns on stupid penalties and started making big plays. I love Bigby. Nick Collins is still inconsistant, but still solid and young. I don't think there was anyone available that could come in and take over.

 

While we might not have a lot of top line players, we have a ton of solid players that would be hard for any rookie to come in here and supplant. We can talk about how the Cowboys filled however many spots in the draft to start or whatever, but I just don't buy into any rookie around the Packers pick coming in and taking on a huge role. Ted will give these guys time to develop and take the field when it's there time.

 

 

Edit to add TE's to the list.

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