Avernus Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 I think you're going to see TO break down over the next 3 years, but this year will be strong...another 1200 yd, 13 TD season...if healthy, of course.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 I think you're going to see TO break down over the next 3 years, but this year will be strong...another 1200 yd, 13 TD season...if healthy, of course.. Agreed, although I think the TD total will be a few lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 You may be right about 1 more year but I don't think so. There are a hand full of pure athletes with a gift of dicipline that allows one to overcome the feeling to take it easy on training and stay in elite shape. TO is one of those guys. Jerry Rice is another. Your trend analysis is spot on for say 98% of the WRs out there but TO is not your every day wide out. He is in great shape all the time and stays that way. I could see him playing out this contract with elite production each of those years. He eats almost perfect and keeps his body in pefect vain shape just like Rice. Remember also that Owens trained with Rice in SF so he knows how it's done. There arent' many that can do that and stay consistant with it. Actually, as BB mentioned earlier, there has been only one WR in the history of the NFL to play effectively past age 36 and that is Mr. Rice. Why would anyone think they can predict when that trend will break? Again, T.O. could do it but the odds are very much against him. Yes, T.O. is a freak of an athelete but there have been plenty of phenomenal athletes to play WR and none of them save Rice has been able to be effective after the age of 35. A lot of players are in great shape and work hard all season long, so that argument holds no water here. Â This is how the NFL works. Guys are signed for multi year deals that they will not play out. T.O. certainly isn't the first and won't be the last. Take a pill dude. Â I know this happens often in the NFL and in this case, it is a dumb move by Dallas. I always chuckle at those who reference the majority as validation or credibility for their claim. The majority rarely knows what is best which is why exceptional people/teams/events are few and far between. You are right though, a lot of teams sign players to multi year deals that don't play out - and guess what - most of those teams don't win Superbowls. In fact, only one team out of 32 will win the SB each year. As far as me 'taking a pill' - I presume you mean the notorious 'chill pill' - well, I am just voicing an opinion that happens to be more accurate than yours. Someone has to fix the bad logic in this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 While I am a Cowboy fan, I am not a TO fan. I think he is an egotistical idiot (fits alot of NFL players). Before TO arrived in Dallas his off the field antics and lack of ability to be a part of a team detracted from his ability to be a likeable human. Â I must also admit that since his arrival in Dallas he has been mostly low profile off the field. Â I am somewhat torn about this signing. TO was a big contributor to the offense as is evident in his stats. He contributions were a hugh part of getting Dallas to 13 wins last year. Having said that he also lead the league in drops and most of those drops seemed to be at key points in the game when a player of his caliber is expected to make the play. Â In this year's NFL it is all about the now. How can I build a team NOW to win THIS YEAR'S super bowl. With free agency you can't build a team for more that a brief window of time (2 to 3 years). I think it is highly probable that TO will be a top 5 WR next year and stands a good chance of being one in 2009 as well. Essentially this deal is about securing TO's services for 2009 and potentially for 2010 (if he has another top 10 year in 2009) as he was already under contract for 2008. Dallas is not going to find a WR in the market right now that is projected to be a top 5 WR in 2008, a top 5 to 10 WR in 2009 and possibly 2010 as well. If he doesn't perform in 2009, you cut him. This is how the NFL works today. Â Additionally he was due a $3 million roster bonus this week under the old contract. So without the restructured contract and extension Dallas pays him his $3 million bonus plus his 2008 salary and has to hope to sign him next year. You can bet they would have had to pony up more cash next year. Â I guess all of you that believe it was dumb think Dallas should cut his ass loose and hope that Glenn stays healthy, Crayton pans out and Hurd can figure it out. If you consider Glenn is likley done and take TO out of the picture Dallas would be seriously under manned at WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Ryan Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Actually, as BB mentioned earlier, there has been only one WR in the history of the NFL to play effectively past age 36 and that is Mr. Rice. Why would anyone think they can predict when that trend will break? Again, T.O. could do it but the odds are very much against him. Yes, T.O. is a freak of an athelete but there have been plenty of phenomenal athletes to play WR and none of them save Rice has been able to be effective after the age of 35. A lot of players are in great shape and work hard all season long, so that argument holds no water here.   I know this happens often in the NFL and in this case, it is a dumb move by Dallas. I always chuckle at those who reference the majority as validation or credibility for their claim. The majority rarely knows what is best which is why exceptional people/teams/events are few and far between. You are right though, a lot of teams sign players to multi year deals that don't play out - and guess what - most of those teams don't win Superbowls. In fact, only one team out of 32 will win the SB each year. As far as me 'taking a pill' - I presume you mean the notorious 'chill pill' - well, I am just voicing an opinion that happens to be more accurate than yours. Someone has to fix the bad logic in this thread   Logic tells me that TO is in a pass happy offense and proved to be a beast last year. I havent seen anything to make me think anything different.  How are non secured contracts a bad idea for the club, especially when 2010 is probably going to be an uncapped year. Just amazes me how opinions on this signing brings up logic, yet they fail to see the club isnt locked into the contract, and who cares if he breaks down in 2009. What has Dallas lost. So how the hell is this a bad signing. Maybe you should do a lil research and think outside of the box from time to time. Instead of following the same tired drum of other Cowboy haters in this thread. In todays NFL, there wont be anymore terrible contracts. The salary cap is at a point where mistakes can be made, and the club doesnt suffer. BTW, I love Jerry is willing to spend his money on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 I like the deal. The guy's extremely productive and a physical freak compared to a lot of older WRs. The Cowboys will already have enough attention with Pacman, Romo, etc. so it's better to get it done and avoid any additional media speculation in a contract year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Logic tells me that TO is in a pass happy offense and proved to be a beast last year. I havent seen anything to make me think anything different. How are non secured contracts a bad idea for the club, especially when 2010 is probably going to be an uncapped year. Just amazes me how opinions on this signing brings up logic, yet they fail to see the club isnt locked into the contract, and who cares if he breaks down in 2009. What has Dallas lost. So how the hell is this a bad signing. Maybe you should do a lil research and think outside of the box from time to time. Instead of following the same tired drum of other Cowboy haters in this thread. In todays NFL, there wont be anymore terrible contracts. The salary cap is at a point where mistakes can be made, and the club doesnt suffer. BTW, I love Jerry is willing to spend his money on the field. The problem with this signing is the $13M signing bonus. T.O. needs to remain an elite WR for 2008 and 2009, and/or the girls need to win a SB to justify the signing IMO. I don't care how you spin it, bottom line is that the odds are severely against this being a good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Ryan Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 (edited) The problem with this signing is the $13M signing bonus. T.O. needs to remain an elite WR for 2008 and 2009, and/or the girls need to win a SB to justify the signing IMO. I don't care how you spin it, bottom line is that the odds are severely against this being a good signing. Â Â Im not spinning it at all. Im not writing the check, why does it matter what the signing bonus is. I dont care if its a 100 mil signing bonus. Its not my money. 13 mil isnt going to cripple this franchise in the least bit. So this argument is weak at best. Â And why does Dallas have to win a SB for this to be a justified signing. What makes a good signing for you. ONly sign young players, and release the vets? Who else is available that is better than TO. Who else is going to come in and put up the numbers and attention on the field TO does. You make no sense. Â The NFL is a business and America's team isnt about to go broke anytime soon. Jerry is shelling out 750 million out of his own pocket to build the Boys new stadium. I hardly think he, I or you care what he spends his money on, as long as Dallas has a shot at a title. TO certainly gives them a better shot than without TO. Â But you can argue, whine and spew whatever you wish. This is my team, and Im very satisfied with the signing. Why dont you worry about your team, and what they need to do to improve their roster. Sure sounds like sour grapes to me. But then you are not alone, just read some of the other haters in this thread. It must suck to not be a Cowboy fan. I couldnt imagine rooting for a lesser franchise. Edited June 4, 2008 by Sgt Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 I bet the Patriots feel robbed by Moss and his $9 million they spent on him after they did not win the SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 (edited) Im not spinning it at all. Im not writing the check, why does it matter what the signing bonus is. I dont care if its a 100 mil signing bonus. Its not my money. 13 mil isnt going to cripple this franchise in the least bit. So this argument is weak at best. And why does Dallas have to win a SB for this to be a justified signing. What makes a good signing for you. ONly sign young players, and release the vets? Who else is available that is better than TO. Who else is going to come in and put up the numbers and attention on the field TO does. You make no sense.  The NFL is a business and America's team isnt about to go broke anytime soon. Jerry is shelling out 750 million out of his own pocket to build the Boys new stadium. I hardly think he, I or you care what he spends his money on, as long as Dallas has a shot at a title. TO certainly gives them a better shot than without TO.  But you can argue, whine and spew whatever you wish. This is my team, and Im very satisfied with the signing. Why dont you worry about your team, and what they need to do to improve their roster. Sure sounds like sour grapes to me. But then you are not alone, just read some of the other haters in this thread. It must suck to not be a Cowboy fan. I couldnt imagine rooting for a lesser franchise. See what you haters have done?! You guys have put up such a crappy argument that sane, logical people like me are stuck on the same side of the argument as a freaking cowboy fan. God I feel dirty!  Oh and BTW, with the way things have been for the girls, you could say it's a monumental success if TO just brings them a play-off win. 10+ years and counting cupcake! Edited June 4, 2008 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 (edited) This type of 'mass-thinking' is why I am a perenial FF champion and the majority is not. See, guys like me and BB let other owners assume the massive risk in elite players that are on the wrong side of 30. Â That's a great theory, except that I suck at FF. Edited June 4, 2008 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 It must suck to not be a Cowboy fan. I couldnt imagine rooting for a lesser franchise. Â Let us know how it feels when Romo wins a playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 It must suck to not be a Cowboy fan. I couldnt imagine rooting for a lesser franchise. I don't think you could root for a lesser franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Let us know how it feels when Romo wins a playoff game. Â And just to add a little perspective to this, the Giants won 4 more playoff games last season than DAL has won in the past decade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 Let us know how it feels when Romo wins a playoff game. Â OK ... ask again in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 OK ... ask again in January. Â Cut & paste response from the past 2 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 (edited) Cut & paste response from the past 2 years? Â Be careful there BB...you don't want any Cowboy fan in here (I am not) pointing out that Denver has one playoff win since 1/31/99. Yes, I am a Jet fan who still smarts from the AFC Championship loss to the Broncos... Â Edited June 4, 2008 by The Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 (edited) Be careful there BB...you don't want any Cowboy fan in here (I am not) pointing out that Denver has one playoff win in the past decade. Â That's still about a jillion% more than the Cowthugs have won in the past decade, and DEN has sucked in that time. Hell, they even lost to the freakin' AZ Cards in their only playoff win. Edited June 4, 2008 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 Cut & paste response from the past 2 years? Â This is the first year in awhile I actually EXPECT a playoff win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Im not spinning it at all. Im not writing the check, why does it matter what the signing bonus is. I dont care if its a 100 mil signing bonus. Its not my money. 13 mil isnt going to cripple this franchise in the least bit. So this argument is weak at best. And why does Dallas have to win a SB for this to be a justified signing. What makes a good signing for you. ONly sign young players, and release the vets? Who else is available that is better than TO. Who else is going to come in and put up the numbers and attention on the field TO does. You make no sense.  The NFL is a business and America's team isnt about to go broke anytime soon. Jerry is shelling out 750 million out of his own pocket to build the Boys new stadium. I hardly think he, I or you care what he spends his money on, as long as Dallas has a shot at a title. TO certainly gives them a better shot than without TO.  But you can argue, whine and spew whatever you wish. This is my team, and Im very satisfied with the signing. Why dont you worry about your team, and what they need to do to improve their roster. Sure sounds like sour grapes to me. But then you are not alone, just read some of the other haters in this thread. It must suck to not be a Cowboy fan. I couldnt imagine rooting for a lesser franchise.  You don't have to take my opinion so personal dude. I do think that teams should mostly sign young players and release vets (if they are too pricey), especially vets that are closer to 40 than they are to 30. This formula works very well for the Pats. It's not an absolute thing, but certainly I don't think it's a good idea to pay a 35 year old WR the money T.O. got. He still had a year on his current contract so why not let it play out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 ... especially vets that are closer to 40 than they are to 30. ... 35 year old WR ... Â TO is 34. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 You don't have to take my opinion so personal dude. I do think that teams should mostly sign young players and release vets (if they are too pricey), especially vets that are closer to 40 than they are to 30. This formula works very well for the Pats. It's not an absolute thing, but certainly I don't think it's a good idea to pay a 35 year old WR the money T.O. got. He still had a year on his current contract so why not let it play out? Â It would have been a major distraction, not necessarily started by TO, but more by the media. He and Rosenhaus and JJ would be deluged by questions related to his being a lame duck all season long. We may have then seen the "old" TO come out of his slumber. Dallas has Super Bowl aspirations this year, and that is a major, major distraction that was not needed. Â IMO, no contract extension for TO at this point is akin to throwing gasoline on a fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 It would have been a major distraction, not necessarily started by TO, but more by the media. He and Rosenhaus and JJ would be deluged by questions related to his being a lame duck all season long. We may have then seen the "old" TO come out of his slumber. Dallas has Super Bowl aspirations this year, and that is a major, major distraction that was not needed. IMO, no contract extension for TO at this point is akin to throwing gasoline on a fire. He shoots, he scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 TO is 34. Yeah I know. He will be 35 during the season (december). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 It would have been a major distraction, not necessarily started by TO, but more by the media. He and Rosenhaus and JJ would be deluged by questions related to his being a lame duck all season long. We may have then seen the "old" TO come out of his slumber. Dallas has Super Bowl aspirations this year, and that is a major, major distraction that was not needed. IMO, no contract extension for TO at this point is akin to throwing gasoline on a fire.   werd - smart move by Dallas - and as much as I think TO is a straight up id-yet you gotta give the guy credit on production and the way he takes care of himself. With all the medical advances, staff/methods and supplemets - you just cannot assume a guy over 35 is gonna completely fall off production or health-wise  good signing on all accounts, so they may have slightly overpaid - who effin cares- the guy still produces  TO may just have another 3-4 damn good years left in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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