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I have seen the first T-shirts around town already.(Beat USC)

 

This is a huge game for OSU and I'm sure the Buckeye faithful are ready to make the trip.

 

I don't know much about this year's Trojan squad, but I'm sure they will be a nasty bunch with a excellent squad. I'm watching Trojan rewind to get a feel for some of their players and Mcknight is going to be a handful for any defense. Sanchez does not impress me and I have a feeling he won't be the qb by the time OSU rolls out West. Cushing is so much bigger than I remember and the lb's look tough. Beaine will have his hands full.

 

OSU has maybe the best defense I have ever seen here at OHIO STATE and I really did not think I would see a better squad than "96" and "2002".

 

Tress has the horse's to run the Silver Bullet Defense the whole game if he really wants too. Boeckman needs to make better decisions when there is a little pressue and I expect USC to pressure him and go with 8 in the box to stop Beanie.(not rocket science)

 

I know the neighbors already getting the party plans together and I actually enjoy the long hyped up wait for the game. I just was thinking of the game and just wanted to get this post out there to kill some time.

 

Unlike Southern California we have some down time in the midwest. :wacko:

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I have seen the first T-shirts around town already.(Beat USC)

 

This is a huge game for OSU and I'm sure the Buckeye faithful are ready to make the trip.

 

I don't know much about this year's Trojan squad, but I'm sure they will be a nasty bunch with a excellent squad. I'm watching Trojan rewind to get a feel for some of their players and Mcknight is going to be a handful for any defense. Sanchez does not impress me and I have a feeling he won't be the qb by the time OSU rolls out West. Cushing is so much bigger than I remember and the lb's look tough. Beaine will have his hands full.

 

OSU has maybe the best defense I have ever seen here at OHIO STATE and I really did not think I would see a better squad than "96" and "2002".

 

Tress has the horse's to run the Silver Bullet Defense the whole game if he really wants too. Boeckman needs to make better decisions when there is a little pressue and I expect USC to pressure him and go with 8 in the box to stop Beanie.(not rocket science)

 

I know the neighbors already getting the party plans together and I actually enjoy the long hyped up wait for the game. I just was thinking of the game and just wanted to get this post out there to kill some time.

 

Unlike Southern California we have some down time in the midwest. :wacko:

 

I'm an Oklahoma fan so I don't really no anything about either of these 2 teams yet but I know it will be one heck of a game and I'm glad to see OSU scheduling another tough OOC game.

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That game will be nothing compared to the powerhouse matchups like Youngstown State, Ohio, or Tim, I mean Troy. I always mess that one up.

 

Jeebus. How many perennial top 5 national powerhouses does Ohio State have to schedule in a year before people stop crying? Would 2 be enough? Maybe 3?

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Jeebus. How many perennial top 5 national powerhouses does Ohio State have to schedule in a year before people stop crying? Would 2 be enough? Maybe 3?

 

 

well, this is a MONSTER game for OSU and the Little 11 for some national respek. The Little 11 has been down, there is no question and if OSU goes in there and gets drilled.................big big game for the entire conference

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Jeebus. How many perennial top 5 national powerhouses does Ohio State have to schedule in a year before people stop crying? Would 2 be enough? Maybe 3?

People love to go :wacko: in here.

 

Just sit back and enjoy the hate.

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it's not fishing, we are laughing at you :D

:wacko: If you insist.

 

Is it Gig'em or something like that. I guess I don't consider A&M much of a program so it's okay.

 

You will understand what I mean when you have decent football program.

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:wacko: If you insist.

 

Is it Gig'em or something like that. I guess I don't consider A&M much of a program so it's okay.

 

You will understand what I mean when you have decent football program.

 

If they played in the sunbelt or a similar conference they would be in the title game as often as the heaps of waste from the slow ten.

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If they played in the sunbelt or a similar conference they would be in the title game as often as the heaps of waste from the slow ten.

Is A&M even a D1 prgram?? I mean when your best player is a 300 lb tub of lard tailback has to make you wonder.

 

Pipe down Francis,

 

I'm just having some fun with you. I have no feeling either way about A&M or Lane. I actually like the whole 12th man thing and suck face after every score...I get it A&M is good program who maybe just needs a new coach.

 

I take no offense to Buckeye haters. I actually take it as a good sign.

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Is A&M even a D1 prgram?? I mean when your best player is a 300 lb tub of lard tailback has to make you wonder.

 

Pipe down Francis,

 

I'm just having some fun with you. I have no feeling either way about A&M or Lane. I actually like the whole 12th man thing and suck face after every score...I get it A&M is good program who maybe just needs a new coach.

 

I take no offense to Buckeye haters. I actually take it as a good sign.

 

Lane is their 2nd best back and scores 20 times a year. Actually the big dope is now the fb. We have had a geat fb the last few years but he is gone like Fran.

 

This is the best one, he is kind of quick.

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=81...hNI6g4ALkyKjGCA

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Listen, all props to OSU for playing USC. But humor us a bit in allowing an "about time" caveat.

 

Funny thing is, I actually don't have anything against OSU per se. My wife's from Ohio and I do recall pulling for them vs Miami in the title game. The reason I've always ended up on the same side of the argument as the OSU haters around here is the fact that for two years now, we've had to endure endless chest beating on the parts of OSU fans despite the fact that they've merely looked good against a so-so schedule.

 

You can't blame them for Texas not being all that two years ago, hell, they were the defending champs. But that doesn't change the fact that they really weren't very good. But all we heard from mid November to December was how it was OSU and Mich, OSU and Mich, despite the fact that neither had beaten anyone that was really good all year long. Imagine that, both got punked in January. And last year? Are you freaking kidding me? That OOC schedule was an absolute joke. Mind you, nobody but USC really makes a point of putting together a string of legit OOC games year in and year out, but at least other top tier teams at least throw in someone you've heard of. Once again, OSU backs into the title game and once again gets punked.

 

Seriously, I applaud you guys for backing your team but spare us the "what do we need to do to shut up the haters" act. How 'bout this for starters. Don't get slapped around the next time you play somebody good.

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Listen, all props to OSU for playing USC. But humor us a bit in allowing an "about time" caveat.

 

Funny thing is, I actually don't have anything against OSU per se. My wife's from Ohio and I do recall pulling for them vs Miami in the title game. The reason I've always ended up on the same side of the argument as the OSU haters around here is the fact that for two years now, we've had to endure endless chest beating on the parts of OSU fans despite the fact that they've merely looked good against a so-so schedule.

 

You can't blame them for Texas not being all that two years ago, hell, they were the defending champs. But that doesn't change the fact that they really weren't very good. But all we heard from mid November to December was how it was OSU and Mich, OSU and Mich, despite the fact that neither had beaten anyone that was really good all year long. Imagine that, both got punked in January. And last year? Are you freaking kidding me? That OOC schedule was an absolute joke. Mind you, nobody but USC really makes a point of putting together a string of legit OOC games year in and year out, but at least other top tier teams at least throw in someone you've heard of. Once again, OSU backs into the title game and once again gets punked.

 

Seriously, I applaud you guys for backing your team but spare us the "what do we need to do to shut up the haters" act. How 'bout this for starters. Don't get slapped around the next time you play somebody good.

 

 

Wow. :wacko: I actually agree with der Toastenmahker. :D

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Listen, all props to OSU for playing USC. But humor us a bit in allowing an "about time" caveat.

 

Funny thing is, I actually don't have anything against OSU per se. My wife's from Ohio and I do recall pulling for them vs Miami in the title game. The reason I've always ended up on the same side of the argument as the OSU haters around here is the fact that for two years now, we've had to endure endless chest beating on the parts of OSU fans despite the fact that they've merely looked good against a so-so schedule.

 

You can't blame them for Texas not being all that two years ago, hell, they were the defending champs. But that doesn't change the fact that they really weren't very good. But all we heard from mid November to December was how it was OSU and Mich, OSU and Mich, despite the fact that neither had beaten anyone that was really good all year long. Imagine that, both got punked in January. And last year? Are you freaking kidding me? That OOC schedule was an absolute joke. Mind you, nobody but USC really makes a point of putting together a string of legit OOC games year in and year out, but at least other top tier teams at least throw in someone you've heard of. Once again, OSU backs into the title game and once again gets punked.

 

Seriously, I applaud you guys for backing your team but spare us the "what do we need to do to shut up the haters" act. How 'bout this for starters. Don't get slapped around the next time you play somebody good.

We got a lot of help to get to that game by the way and so did the team we played. Let's face it the Bucks got a push from a whole lot teams losing late.

I think OSU had and still has a top 5 team this season and OSU must win out to get a shot. The argument of schedule as you pointed out can be made for a WHOLE mess of teams in the top 25. You just have to win them all to have any guarntees. I'm fine with that.

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We got a lot of help to get to that game by the way and so did the team we played. Let's face it the Bucks got a push from a whole lot teams losing late.

 

I think OSU had and still has a top 5 team this season and OSU must win out to get a shot. The argument of schedule as you pointed out can be made for a WHOLE mess of teams in the top 25. You just have to win them all to have any guarntees. I'm fine with that.

 

I should have been more clear. Backed in was a poor choice of words. You can't blame them for the fact that their last game was several weeks before everyone elses. I was really pointing to the fact that they didn't play anyone very good all year.

 

Like I said in my post, there aren't any/many teams outside of USC that can point to their OOC schedule (at least year in and year out) and beat their chest. Thing is, OSU took it to a new level last year.

 

I remember actually having to defend LSU's when I talked crap about OSU and LSU pummeled the eventual #3 team in the BCS in addition to at least scheduling two other teams who'd been to bowls within the last few years. I mean, La Tech and Tulane are hardly powers but OSU took BS OOC scheduling to a new level. Even if UW hadn't been as bad as they were (and you never know these things when you schedule), were any of the other teams even D-1A?

 

I'm sorry, but I think you guys should have to take crap for that for a long, long time. Nobody, I mean nobody who expects to be included year in and year out in the NC game picture should ever get away with a scheduling abortion like that.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Texas a Colt McCoy injury away from being the discussion with Fla and Mich 2 years ago on who would play Ohio State in the NC game? Yeah, I think they were. Some crappy team eh? Ohio State plays a tough OOC schedule most every single year. They can't help that Washington has fallen on hard times in recent years (I'm SURE you are ALL educated on the fact that schedules are made YEARS in advance and all) , thus you get the biggest problem with scheduling. The big teams either sign onto play big money games against the other big boys, or have a creampuff schedule. It's all a crapshoot anyway, with the contracts laid out years in advance. In 2002 Ohio State won the national title playing a brutal schedule that included Texas Tech, Washington State (Pac 10 Champions) and the Big Ten was the best conference in 2002, not to mention Miami (who everyone was dubbing as the greatest ever before that game from about the time they destroyed Florida earlier in the season) . The point is, if they played that schedule this year, or last year, you wouldn't think anything of it. Tech woulda been really the only good team they faced, plus a weaker than usual Big Ten schedule.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Texas a Colt McCoy injury away from being the discussion with Fla and Mich 2 years ago on who would play Ohio State in the NC game? Yeah, I think they were. Some crappy team eh? Ohio State plays a tough OOC schedule most every single year. They can't help that Washington has fallen on hard times in recent years (I'm SURE you are ALL educated on the fact that schedules are made YEARS in advance and all) , thus you get the biggest problem with scheduling. The big teams either sign onto play big money games against the other big boys, or have a creampuff schedule. It's all a crapshoot anyway, with the contracts laid out years in advance. In 2002 Ohio State won the national title playing a brutal schedule that included Texas Tech, Washington State (Pac 10 Champions) and the Big Ten was the best conference in 2002, not to mention Miami (who everyone was dubbing as the greatest ever before that game from about the time they destroyed Florida earlier in the season) . The point is, if they played that schedule this year, or last year, you wouldn't think anything of it. Tech woulda been really the only good team they faced, plus a weaker than usual Big Ten schedule.

They can discuss whomever they want to in terms of who should be in the NC game but that Texas team was simply not that great. "One Colt McCoy injury"? Did he play defense as well? Because the game that knocked them out of the NC game hunt they lost to unranked K-State 45-42. Yep, sure looks like you can hang that one on a hurt QB. Of course, then the golden boy McCoy came out and threw 3 picks the next week vs A&M. Gotta say though, he did lead them to a gutty come from behind win vs then 6-6 Iowa in their bowl game. Yeah, really top notch team there. Not to mention that OSU got him in his 2nd game as a starter. So, while UT was ranked #4 at the time of their collapse, that speaks more to the infatuation voters and coaches have with big name teams that have good records despite not having beaten anyone all that good, than it does to the fact that UT was a legit NC contender.

 

Again, I'm not knocking OSU for scheduling UT. They're a top program and precisely the type of team they should be scheduling. None the less, that doesn't change the fact that neither they or Mich beat anyone elite going into that game and yet it seemed to be a forgone conclusion to so many that we were certainly looking at the two best teams in the country. That they'd both amassed gaudy records in somewhat of a vacuum was very much revealed when both teams got out classed in their respective bowl games.

 

And yes, it's not their fault that UW wasn't good. However, that doesn't change the fact that OSU didn't beat anyone close to great last year. So, while OSU fans beat their chest about how great it was that they made the NC game in a rebuilding year, they'd better understand that they coasted on rep. It certainly wasn't on their body of work, that's for sure.

 

That's really all I'm saying. I'm just tired of the OSU fans clamoring for respect around here when all they've done is parlay relative easy schedules the last two years to back to back NC games and been soundly beaten in both. It sounds like this could be a great OSU team. I hope for their sake, they beat USC or at least play them tough, because it would be another knock if they end up being out-classed yet again when they step outside of the friendly confines of the Big 11 or their D-1AA laden OOC schedule.

 

Mind you, if they beat USC and USC ends up being exposed later in the year the way UT was two years ago...OSU better show up in January.

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The only thing you can do is beat the team put in front of you. There is no denying, Ohio State has not shown up in the last 2 years in the NC game, but to say they coasted on rep alone is just not true. They beat every team they played. Turned out, that no one was particularly great (though that Michigan team putting up 500 + yards vs Florida would at least make Michigan a above average win on anyones schedule). Every year is different, and should be viewed that way. Like I said, their schedule in 2002 woulda been junk in 2007. You can say that about anyones schedule. And there isn't one conference that plays any more d1aa teams than any other conference.

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The only thing you can do is beat the team put in front of you. There is no denying, Ohio State has not shown up in the last 2 years in the NC game, but to say they coasted on rep alone is just not true. They beat every team they played. Turned out, that no one was particularly great (though that Michigan team putting up 500 + yards vs Florida would at least make Michigan a above average win on anyones schedule). Every year is different, and should be viewed that way. Like I said, their schedule in 2002 woulda been junk in 2007. You can say that about anyones schedule. And there isn't one conference that plays any more d1aa teams than any other conference.

Wow.

 

For starters, last year, they didn't beat every team they played. They lost to an Illinois team that was completely out-classed by USC in the Rose Bowl. And, yes, Michigan's win over FL was a nice win to be sure, but something that 3 other teams also managed to do that year. None the less, this is the same Michigan team that lost to a D-1AA school, was throttled by OU, and lost by 2+ TDs to a Wisc team that was good, I suppose, but hardly great.

 

I understand that you can only beat who's in front of you. However, you can't seriously say that OSU's body of work in 2007 was any more impressive than a few other schools. If some team besides OSU was sitting there with one loss but hadn't beaten a single team in the top 20, we would have dismissed them on that basis. However, it's OSU, so they get a free pass. That's really all I'm saying. That's what I mean by coasting on reputation. Obviously they had to win the games but they did get a free pass on a schedule that would have kept a "lesser" program out of the title game even if that team was undefeated.

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this has been beat to death by me, Brian, Det, OSU and all the other college football fans, so why not one more round across the bow of the Little 11 :wacko:

 

the Little 11 is down, and has been for a few years. I watch A TON of college football and week in and week out the level of play and talent in the L 11 is not on par with the SEC or Pac 10. it just isn't. I am not a Big Ten hater either- I think a few years back it was very strong top to bottom, and I gave them their props.

 

not sure of the reasons, maybe warm weather schools are out-recruiting the rust belt - maybe these things are cyclical, I dunno but it is pretty effin obvious.......

 

the Pac 10 gets hated on for being USC and the little 11 - I can tell you that while USC has dummied the rest of the country under Carroll, they have lost more games and had their toughest tests in conference. NOW, I realize conference games bring out the best in foes, and they obviously play more conference games but I gurantee USC players and coaches will tell you the same-

 

I am fired up for an awesome year of NCAA football -

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