Seahawks21 Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 (edited) Just wondering if any of you that have been trying to tell me how bad McFadden is going to be in the NFL are coming around yet? Of course I couldn't care less about preseason numbers, but..... He looks thicker in pads than I thought. He runs with more body lean than most people anticipate. The most encouraging part to me so far is that he is making his living between the tackles thus far. I think a lot of people had the perception that since he played some at QB in college, he must play upright and must only be successful on the perimeter. Just wondering if all of the people that have been touting Stewart and Forte as the real backs of this draft have started to slightly change their thinking. Edited August 16, 2008 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Nope. I'm secure in my belief in Stew...just as you are in McFadden. I'm also just as confident in my feelings about McFadden..as you are about Stew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 My biggest downfall for several years after the OAK Superbowl was overrating Oakland players and constantly thinking "Hey, this year... they look like they could be good!" Unfortunately, I'm thinking that again, and I know I shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 My biggest downfall for several years after the OAK Superbowl was overrating Oakland players and constantly thinking "Hey, this year... they look like they could be good!" Unfortunately, I'm thinking that again, and I know I shouldn't. They had an effective running game (FF wise) last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollywood_69 Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 i think mcfadden is the real deal, noone can even say that about jon stewart because of his injury!! mcfadden took on one of the best run defenses in the league head on, averaging 5 yards a carry. Other than being big like stephan davis, what has stewart done? Toe injuries in football are no joke and who knows how this will affect stewart, now and in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 They had an effective running game (FF wise) last year. Yeah, and Russell showed less suck so far this preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 I was a bit skeptical of the idea that he would be a big time, every down back, inspite of his talent but I just recently drafted(PPR) him assuming he would at the very least get involved with the passing game and make some big plays. I know it's just pre-season but the game yesterday made me feel very good about my picking him. Obviously, the jury is still out regarding durability but there is no question the guy is a weapon and the Raiders plan to get a lot of use out him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted August 16, 2008 Author Share Posted August 16, 2008 I was a bit skeptical of the idea that he would be a big time, every down back, inspite of his talent but I just recently drafted(PPR) him assuming he would at the very least get involved with the passing game and make some big plays. I know it's just pre-season but the game yesterday made me feel very good about my picking him. Obviously, the jury is still out regarding durability but there is no question the guy is a weapon and the Raiders plan to get a lot of use out him. I would think a guy getting that many touches in the SEC without big injury issues should soften the concern a bit. Of course, anybody can get hurt at any time, but I think he has proven enough to where he shouldn't be considered a major injury risk or "fragile" at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Regardless of what McF shows in the preseason, I will not change my mind because they have Fargas who ran for 1000 last year, and a healthy Bush that should steal some short yardage/GL carries. McF will be good, but not the top 7 you predeict. Not this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Yeah, Oakland's backfield is kinda crowded, and Michael Bush has looked good. If they use McFadden like Reggie Bush is used by the Saints, he could have decent impact. I'm also still worried about fumbleitis with McFadden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 I'm not coming around...he'll be an average NFL back until the Raiders OL gets better... see: Reggie Bush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayLow Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 I'm not coming around...he'll be an average NFL back until the Raiders OL gets better... see: Reggie Bush I agree with your sentiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 According to the title if you are a doubter you're a hater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 He's looked better than I anticipated but I wasn't real high on him to begin with. I'm still not high on him but he's got my attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavinRJohnson Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 His price is going to be way too high on draft day. I see a CoP guy with good upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull739 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I know this is dangerously close to asking for advice, but hypothetically speaking.....if you're sitting there in the 5th round looking to pick up the first rookie RB for upside, who goes first now, Stew or McFadden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I'm not coming around...he'll be an average NFL back until the Raiders OL gets better... see: Reggie Bush I drafted him at 1.2 in a 16 team dynasty, with serious reservations. But, comparing him to R Bush is like comparing a red ripe tomato from the garden to sweet green pepper... or even a scotch bonnet! Bush will always be a scat back, not a Barber or Dunn type, while McFadden has no such limitations. Bush is the hot pepper.... he'll sting whne you let him take too bo a bite.... but McFadden is the meat and tomato RB.... not one dimensional like Bush. Bush will always be a CoP, change of direction RB. McFadden can run thrugh tackles AND g outside. In a dynasty, McFadden is golden.... in a redraft, at #3 rb most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gros Membres! Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 But, comparing him to R Bush is like comparing a red ripe tomato from the garden to sweet green pepper... or even a scotch bonnet! Bush will always be a scat back, not a Barber or Dunn type, while McFadden has no such limitations. Bush is the hot pepper.... he'll sting whne you let him take too bo a bite.... but McFadden is the meat and tomato RB.... not one dimensional like Bush. I lost you for a minute there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I drafted him at 1.2 in a 16 team dynasty, with serious reservations. But, comparing him to R Bush is like comparing a red ripe tomato from the garden to sweet green pepper... or even a scotch bonnet! Bush will always be a scat back, not a Barber or Dunn type, while McFadden has no such limitations. Bush is the hot pepper.... he'll sting whne you let him take too bo a bite.... but McFadden is the meat and tomato RB.... not one dimensional like Bush. Bush will always be a CoP, change of direction RB. McFadden can run thrugh tackles AND g outside. In a dynasty, McFadden is golden.... in a redraft, at #3 rb most likely. I'm saying the way he will be used and what type of numbers he will produce... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I'm saying the way he will be used and what type of numbers he will produce... Yep, we thought McPherson would be a RBBC... and he was. Not sayin McFadden will be as succesdsful, not at all, but as the year goes on, his touches will go up. Reminds me of Portis' rookie year. I was roundly critisized for taking him late in the second round that year in my local, and he was why I won the supe that year. I think he is one of thosre special players, and the cream always rises to the top.By week 4, he starts over Fargas, and by week ten, he's the feature back. A lot lie Portis in his rookie year.... natch, just me and my bullchit crystal ball talkin here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Yep, we thought McPherson would be a RBBC... and he was. Not sayin McFadden will be as succesdsful, not at all, but as the year goes on, his touches will go up. Reminds me of Portis' rookie year. I was roundly critisized for taking him late in the second round that year in my local, and he was why I won the supe that year. I think he is one of thosre special players, and the cream always rises to the top.By week 4, he starts over Fargas, and by week ten, he's the feature back. A lot lie Portis in his rookie year.... natch, just me and my bullchit crystal ball talkin here... I did the same thing with Portis in 02....I got him in the 3rd...but I think the reason I took Portis so high was the Denver system and OL.....the Raiders system and OL both suck right now... if the OL was average and the system had an established QB I would have no problem putting McFadden in my top 15....but the Raiders are still a mess IMO until they address the line on both sides of the ball... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 ....the Raiders system and OL both suck right now... Raiders had the 2nd most rushing attempts and were the 6th highest rated rushing team last year (DMD). Pretty much every guy that got some carries produced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I've watched a little bit of McFadden and am getting more and more impressed with him. Not sure why everyone's suddently so hi on Fargas. He's been nothing but a backup his entire career, with injuries and below average production until last year when actualy does something. If Fargas is the starter at the beginning of the season, he won't be for long. I could easily see Fargas ending up as the #3 back and Bush moving up to #2 with Fargas taking over most of the load. He's better than I thought and has an extremely high ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I've watched a little bit of McFadden and am getting more and more impressed with him. Not sure why everyone's suddently so hi on Fargas. He's been nothing but a backup his entire career, with injuries and below average production until last year when actualy does something. If Fargas is the starter at the beginning of the season, he won't be for long. I could easily see Fargas ending up as the #3 back and Bush moving up to #2 with Fargas taking over most of the load. He's better than I thought and has an extremely high ceiling. That's certainly my opinion. Yes, Fargas had good runs last year... but that speaks well for the system. Why start oatmeal and leave steak and eggs on the bench? McFadden will start, and he'll be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted August 18, 2008 Author Share Posted August 18, 2008 (edited) Comparing McFadden to Bush? In terms of style? Seriously?? Come on. Watch some football. McFadden is a north and south runner. Bush is not. McFadden runs between the tackles, Bush does not. Bush lines up in the slot, McFadden rarely does. Other than the facts that they are both fast, and were both high draft picks, these two have very little in common. I am not jumping on anyone for thinking McFadden will be a bust, but these comparisons to Bush are completely ridiculous. Watch some football. Edited August 18, 2008 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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