LayLow Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I have Moss in 2 leagues. In both leagues my first 2 picks have gone like so Moss-Portis Moss-Gore In neither league could I have gotten a much better 1-2 punch IMO. I penciled in Moss for 15 tds....I still think he can go 10 tds. I mean, they still have to throw. Its not like in Oakland where he refused to play, he is still a freak IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb7 Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 How funny would it be if Cassel is so good that Brady loses the starting job? Can't say that I'm happy to see Brady hurt, but the one team that I didn't want to see the Cowboys play in the Super Bowl won't be there now. Looks like you just jinxed the Cowboys...nice work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) As a Moss owner I'm not at all considering the idea of shopping him, let alone trading him. I agree with that strategy. His value right now is low enough that you wouldn't get enough in return, but you still know that he's going to be a solid fantasy WR, even with Cassel throwing the ball to him. That really sucks for Pats fans. I guess the bright side is that it happened early enough in the season that he'll have sufficient time to fully heal by Week 1 of next year. Edited September 8, 2008 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I refuse to believe this comment, especially Moss. This guy made Culpepper and can certainly make a good season for Cassel. No reason whatsoever to unload Moss. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) 2 Leagues, Brady taken in the 1st round....................goodbye FF season. I think Moss and Welker owners will be trying to unload them. I was thinking about you and your teams upon hearing the news that Brady got hurt. I will think of you once again when I go to see the USC/Ohio St. game next Saturday. Edited September 8, 2008 by TDFFFreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Goes Frazia Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 cassel is just as good as brady, just plug him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeping King Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I completely agree that you should not be jumping over the cliff to trade Moss and Welker. IAlso don't buy into any thoughts that you should trade for Maroney/Morris thinking they will commit to the run. I do not see McDaniels changing anything offensively. I believe his mindset will be to call the game just as he would if Brady were in. They will continue to pass in bunches. The only thing that could change scheme wise would be more running plays towards the goal line to keep silly mistakes down on Cassel's part. Sucks for us Pats fans but honestly it is hard to complain about anything with as well as things have been clicking since 2001. Hopefully somehow the MRI Monday has a miracle on it and he is back after the bye. I've already bought some new tires to put on the bandwagon since it will be running a lot more smoothly with the dead weight falling off. I remember being pissed beyond belief when Lewis killed Bledsoe so maybe lightning can strike twice? ForeverInDebtToBernardPollard? Ok I'm grasping for straws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I refuse to believe this comment, especially Moss. This guy made Culpepper and can certainly make a good season for Cassel. No reason whatsoever to unload Moss. I totally agree. I own Moss in four leagues, took him as a No. 1 in three of them. I have no plans to trade him, unless some idiot make me an offer I can't refuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushey Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 The only worry I would have as a Moss owner is that without Brady, he might mail it in like he did while in Oakland. Not saying he will, but his past behavior could be an indicator of what is to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Sherman Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Local news outlets this AM reporting that Brady is most likely out for the season, reportedly they think he has a torn ACL + possible MCL. So he most likely will go on IR this week barring some miracle. We see after the MRI today. As far as Moss/Welker's value, I wouldn't panic, they still will be the top targets for Cassel. I doubt that the Pat's O will lead the league in TDs this year with Cassel, but they will still get some decent numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I refuse to believe this comment, especially Moss. This guy made Culpepper and can certainly make a good season for Cassel. No reason whatsoever to unload Moss. Um he didn't exactly make the Oakland QBs look great, now did he. I'm not saying you trade the guy but you absolutely have to expect a drop off minus Brady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Now is an opportunity for the "genius" of Bellycheck to come forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 You know - with the cheatin genious Bellicheat - I still see the Pats making playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Schefter says they contacted Simms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Schefter says they contacted Simms. Simms is supposedly in town allready. Thay also made a call to Tim Rattay as well. I don't think any vet they bring in will be seeing the field anytime soon. They only value a vet can bring is if Cassell goes down, having that option over O'Connell. Besides that, Cassell is the QB the Pats are going to live or die with this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I gottal believe Culpepper ends up in the mix very soon. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I gottal believe Culpepper ends up in the mix very soon. . . I would be enormously surprised if this happens. Does not seem at all suited to the style of offense they run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 but he's more talented than Cassel, Simms, Rattay, etc. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrudge Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 but he's more talented than Cassel, Simms, Rattay, etc. . .And how long ago was it that he had a decent game? Or even took a meaningful snap for that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 but he's more talented than Cassel, Simms, Rattay, etc. . . Well, depending on your definition, he's more "talented" than Brady for that matter. I mean, I bet he can throw the ball further, run faster, and bench more. However, NE's game is not about a guy like that behind center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Culpepper ... more talented than Cassel, Simms, Rattay, etc ... Culpepper couldn't even land a job carrying a clip board. Culpepper never amounted to anything without Randy Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) Culpepper ... more talented than Cassel, Simms, Rattay, etc ... Culpepper couldn't even land a job carrying a clip board. wrong. He was offered a couple back-up positions. But he wanted a chance to compete for a starting job. He retired because he didn't get that chance. Last time I checked, Simms and Rattay were unemployed too . . . Culpepper never amounted to anything without Randy Moss. Oh, and I just looked, the Patriots DO HAVE MOSS. Edited September 8, 2008 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) And how long ago was it that he had a decent game? Or even took a meaningful snap for that matter? 11/25/07 15/22 for 170 yards. 0 TD. 0 INT. Raiders win 20-17 over the Chiefs. 11/18/07 23/39 for 344 yards. 1 TD. 1 INT. Raiders lose 29-22 to Minnesota. Edited September 8, 2008 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 wrong. He was offered a couple back-up positions. But he wanted a chance to compete for a starting job. Oh, and last I checked, the Patriots DO HAVE MOSS. So, you're seriously implying that he's a good fit for NE? I would be nothing short of amazed if dude gets a call. I mean, this is Bellchick we're talking about. Total system guy. Here's the deal, and this is not at all a knock on Brady. But, like Joe Montana, he's a guy who was the perfect guy to execute a perfect offense. If either of these guys land on another team, they don't amount to nearly the QB they ended up being. Steve Young did possess more physical tools than Montana (so in that respect could be compared to CPep), but he was also a really, really smart guy so he was the best of both worlds. Culpepper's game as always been more sandlot style. When he was healthy, he could either throw or run over whomever he was playing. Once again, this is not the type of QB that makes the Pats go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Well, depending on your definition, he's more "talented" than Brady for that matter. I mean, I bet he can throw the ball further, run faster, and bench more. However, NE's game is not about a guy like that behind center. I bet he can't throw the ball further. But if you don't think he's a better QB than Simms or Rattay, your nuts. We haven't seen enough of Cassel in live action to make any judgments there. I'm just saying, with Culpepper and Moss' history, I don't see why he wouldn't at least get a call. I think he would make the Pats better than any of the other three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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